Rainbow Map 2012

[hetz]

This seems interesting. Why is France so low on the scale?


ILGA-Europe Rainbow Map rates each European country’s laws and administrative practices according to 42 categories and ranks them on a scale between 30 (highest score: respect of human rights and full legal equality of LGBT people) and -12 (lowest score: gross violations of human rights and discrimination of LGBT people).
42 categories cover a wide spectrum of legislation and administrative practices in the areas of


asylum (explicit reference to sexual orientation as a ground on which it is legitimate to claim asylum)
equality and non-discrimination (explicit references to sexual, orientation, gender identity and intersex people)
bias motivated speech/crime (explicit reference to sexual orientation, gender identity and intersex people in legislation dealing with hate speech/crime)
family (different forms of recognition of same-sex partnerships, parenting entitlements and ability for trans people to legally marry a person of the other gender)
freedom of association, assembly and expression (obstruction/no obstruction from the States on the exercise of these freedom, new laws banning ‘homosexual propaganda’)
legal gender recognition (availability of procedures for legal gender recognitions and a number of discriminatory requirements)



http://homiki.pl/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ilga-europe-rainbow-map_d.jpg

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Just as interesting is that Spain has the second best score, one point behind Britain and tied with Germany.

[Sasha]

spain just legalised gay marriage, in france there is still very stiff opposition against plans to do so soon.

[Ostrinski]

Where's the link to this? I can't read the captions on the side.

[Red Commissar]

Where's the link to this? I can't read the captions on the side.

http://www.ilga-europe.org/home/publications/reports_and_other_materials/rainbow_europe_map_and_index_may_2012

You'll find full-size pdf documents on that page. "Side A" is the poster in the OP, and you can zoom in to read the smaller print. "Side B" is a chart where you can see their report card of sorts with their criteria for awarding or deducting points based on certain positions, like employment discrimination protections, marriage, adoptions, ease of organizing their groups, etc. to arrive at the scores listed on each country in the map.

[Sasha]

Thanx, im going to rub the "not horrible but certainly not at the top either" score of the Netherlands in some of the "what are you complaining about, the Netherlands is the gay-rights promised land" faces around me...

[Q]

Thanx, im going to rub the "not horrible but certainly not at the top either" score of the Netherlands in some of the "what are you complaining about, the Netherlands is the gay-rights promised land" faces around me...

So, what is that about anyway? Why are we scoring relatively low? I don't know.

[l'Enfermé]

Hahaha, Russia and the Ukraine are actually worse than Albania and Turkey. Maybe Hoxha did something right.

[Ismail]

Hahaha, Russia and the Ukraine are actually worse than Albania and Turkey. Maybe Hoxha did something right."The first public mass was celebrated November 4, in a cemetery chapel in Shkodra, by Simon Jubani, released in 1989 after twenty-six years of imprisonment. The crowd of 5,000 worshipers was made up of Catholics, few of whom could remember this central rite of the Church. Interestingly enough, there were also substantial numbers of Muslims present, most of them apparently unaware of the difference between Christianity and Islam. Here already was a sign of the [anti-religious] campaign's success." - Denis R. Janz, World Christianity and Marxism, 1998, p. 108.

Throughout the 1990s lots of religious persons in Albania complained that Christians and Muslims were often ignorant of very basic aspects of their faiths. A number of sources actually claim that most Albanians are pretty much agnostic as far as religion goes. Albanians have never been a deeply religious people to begin with.

As for Turkey, a 1983 Zëri i Popullit editorial wrote that "Mustafa Kemal, inspired by the democratic and progressive opinions, liberated Turkey and its people from the medieval yoke of the sultanate... [abolished] the titles of the Caliph and Ottoman princes, [carried out] the closure of the religious schools, the abolition of the Islamic right," etc. Furthermore, since he despised King Zog and worked with the Red Army (which is why Trotsky was able to live for a time on Prinkipo), Albanians tended to have a high opinion of him.

In Russia and the Ukraine the Church is one of the main symbols of nationalism, whereas in Albania and Turkey it was... not.

[RedAnarchist]

I have to admit, I thought the Netherlands would be top, personally. I would never have put this country at first, though - yeah, there's a lot of LGBT rights in our law, but this country still isn't exactly a paradise for those who aren't straight, white and male.

[Philosophos]

ahahahahaha!!!! Greece my beloved country is on 2 I can't even believe it :lol: Why because we have GD???

[Red Commissar]

So, what is that about anyway? Why are we scoring relatively low? I don't know.

According to the method they're scoring by:

Points for (1 pt each for being on a national level):

-Grants asylum based on persecution due to sexual orientation
-Violence based on sexual orientation is a hate crime, same with hate speech
-No discrimination in employment
-No discrimination in seeking state services and goods
-"Other spheres of life"
-"Equality body plan" (sexual orientation)
-"Equality body mandate" (sexual orientation)
-"Equality body plan" (sexual identity)
-"Equality body mandate" (sexual identity)
-Marriage equality
-Registered partnership
-Cohabitation
-Joint adoption
-Second parent adoption
-Medically assisted insemination
-Trans people can legally marry someone of the other gender
-No state obstruction of LGBTI events
-Existence of legal and/or administrative routes for gender recognition
-Able to change name to match gender if wanted
-Ability to change change gender on state forms

20 points total

Points against

-No protection for gender identity
-Gender Identity Disorder (GID) diagnosis or medical/psychological opinion (I guess for people to declare a gender change)
-compulsory medical/surgical intervention for gender change
-compulsory sterilisation (or proof of infertility) for gender change

-4 points

So that's four points off, back to 16. Looking at the Netherlands score it does more for same-sex than other countries, it seems it's in transsexual and related issues with gender identity that it had points taken off. Four points off isn't as much as some other countries, this just seems that there isn't as much concrete legal routes by their standards.


ahahahahaha!!!! Greece my beloved country is on 2 I can't even believe it :lol: Why because we have GD???

They don't make judgements based on hate groups and such, but rather if the state has any hand in it.

Likewise as above...

Points for:

-Asylum for sexual orientation persecution
-Sexual orientation recognized as a category in hate crime, speech
-Equal employment protection based on sexual orientation
-"Equality body mandate" for sexual orientation
-Transpeople can marry someone of another gender
-No State obstruction of LGBTI events
-Existence of legal and/or administrative routes for sexual identity change
-Ability to change name based on gender
-Ability to change gender on official documents

9 points

Points against:

-Unequal age of consent for same-sex acts
-No protection what so ever for gender identity
-No recognition of same-sex partnerships
-Gender Identity Disorder (GID) diagnosis or medical/psychological opinion (I guess for people to declare a gender change)
-compulsory medical/surgical intervention for gender change
-compulsory divorce (or single status)
-compulsory sterilisation (or proof of infertility) for gender change

-7 points

That brings it down to 2 points.

[Ostrinski]

Where do you all think the US would be placed on this list? Light or dark red?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Where do you all think the US would be placed on this list? Light or dark red?

The map goes by national protection and since in the U.S a lot of the protection for queer people is largely decided on a state by state basis, I am thinking rather low to moderate.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

spain just legalised gay marriage, in france there is still very stiff opposition against plans to do so soon.
I know, but there's at least a perception that France is more progressive than it actually is. Even Ireland scored higher than France, which surprised me.

[Sea]

The 10-point difference between Macedonia and Bulgaria makes me wonder:

What would this chart look like if it represented the practical enforcement of reactionary laws, rather than the laws themselves, the lives of gays rather than their legal status? As we all know, homophobia in practice isn't exactly equal to homophobia on paper -- institutionalization can take part in the form of legislation before it bleeds (often literally) over into the collective mind of the heterosexual majority, fulfilling its goal of deviation the working class. That cause-effect chain can happen in reverse too.

[MaximMK]

Another reason why i hate this conservative nationalist state i live in. Just yesterday there was a tolerance march against any type of discrimination including one on sexual orientation and the organizers were beaten on the street. - In macedonia

[Sasha]

I know, but there's at least a perception that France is more progressive than it actually is. Even Ireland scored higher than France, which surprised me.

not me; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234559/Police-tear-gas-pro-anti-gay-protesters-clash-France-plans-legalise-sex-marriage.html

outside of (and even in) the big cities france is horribly conservative, the front national has/props up many mayors, if france elected their presidents the same way as the US lePen would have been president decades ago.

[Luís Henrique]

I know, but there's at least a perception that France is more progressive than it actually is. Even Ireland scored higher than France, which surprised me.

I fear this doesn't properly recognise the difference between what is stated in the books and what is actually practiced in daily life.

Luís Henrique