Revolutionary Dating

[TheGodlessUtopian]

What is your preference when dating? Would you say you are the kind of person that needs to be with someone who is revolutionary, sympathetic, or non-political? Essentially how much politics plays into your relationships.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Most right-wingers are incredibly unintelligent. I tend to like intelligent people. Christian fundies don't date outside of their own. I've liked a Greek pagan before though. Not someone who opposes gay rights, I'm not into bigots. That alone crosses off around half of people in the United States.

In general, politics say a lot about a person's values and beliefs, and so it's going to affect who you'd date no matter what. I wouldn't say that I'd only date someone into revolutionary politics, though. The majority of people I've liked seemed to be either center-lefties or apolitical, but that hasn't been something deliberate.

[Quail]

I voted someone sympathetic because I'd find it really hard to have a serious relationship with someone who had really differing values. I find it really unattractive when people have no empathy and understanding of other people, and I'd get sick pretty quickly of someone who for example, thought poor people were poor because they were lazy, or drug addicts are addicted to drugs because they're stupid. I also have a very low tolerance for sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.

I will hang out with people of any political persuasion (within reason), but a relationship is different.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I voted sympathetic, not that I would mind having a revolutionary girlfriend, but sympathetic is good enough. I would never bother with a right winger because they piss me off too much. Apathetic people are demoralizing to me, I like women who take a stance in what they believe rather than just say "meh" and let stuff happen around them without having an opinion on the situation.

Just my two cents.

[#FF0000]

Yeah, I say I'd "apolitical" but I guess I really mean "sympathetic". Like Quail I don't deal with bigots and can't stand people who lack empathy.

[helot]

I couldnt be in a romantic relationship with someone who isn't atleast sympathetic. Considering our tasks as revolutionaries and how we must be engaging in struggle being in a relationship with someone that doesn't atleast understand will probably eventually result in problems in the relationship.

Plus there's just no greater feeling than struggling with both your comrades and your partner by your side. In this i'm blessed. My partner is more than willing to support me and even join me on picketlines. She's not a revolutionary, atleast not yet but she is developing an interest in revolutionary politics.

[Raúl Duke]

I'm fine with "sympathetic," (mainstream) politically apathetic, or even a "liberal."

It's easier to say what I wouldn't like: a right-wing and/or highly religious nutjob.

[bcbm]

i doubt i would end up with somebody who was really bigoted or conservative but beyond that politics basically doesnt factor into things at all except as maybe like something interesting we can talk about.

[cynicles]

Wow! I'm one of only 2 people who went straight for the revolutionary option. I'm such a news junky that if I had to sit down with someone who wasn't within my end of the political spectrum every day I would commit suicide.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

i doubt i would end up with somebody who was really bigoted or conservative but beyond that politics basically doesnt factor into things at all except as maybe like something interesting we can talk about.
basically this

[Crux]

I date exclusively based on revolutionary credentials.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I can't date someone who is not okay with my politics, I've learned this the hard way. I'm not looking for a revolutionary chick, but it does make it that much hotter when they're rebellious and know a thing or two about politics. If you're okay with my political views and what comes with that then it's cool.

[Prometeo liberado]

Very sympathetic, very. Tried to do the "just sympathetic" too many times and it always ends in a frustration. Mind you I spend much time at bullshit meetings and demo's of just a few people so it gets old on someone who ain't as down as me. And jbeard gots to have his fun time, you know what I'm sayin.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I want to date a fanatic.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I want to date a fanatic.

I dated a fanatic Christian one time. Boy was that fun:rolleyes:

[roy]

as long as they're not a nazi, fundie, maoist or w/e it's all good

[Questionable]

When I first started dating my girlfriend she was a Libertarian because that was her father's views and she never thought any differently.

I remember we argued so badly about it one time that she said, "Questionable, at this point politics are just hurting our relationship. It's either me or an impossible economic system. CHOOSE."

I decided to swallow my pride and just stop talking about it, but I have to admit that my first thought was, "It's not fucking impossible..."

However after doing her own research and listening to my views she's pretty much a democratic socialist now, so I guess I won.

[Prometeo liberado]

As by some karmic force I have been getting to know someone recently and we share very similar politics(and she's a yoga instructor, sweet) when she drops a bomb on me that she is a huge James Cannon fan and was once a SWP member. :(
Then she asks me if I consider myself a Marxist. What....., are you...but!! Shoulda seen it coming. And I won't even get into the fact that an ex-SWP member has a problem with Marxism.
What the hell?!

[Yuppie Grinder]

i doubt i would end up with somebody who was really bigoted or conservative but beyond that politics basically doesnt factor into things at all except as maybe like something interesting we can talk about.

this

[Yuppie Grinder]

I date exclusively based on revolutionary credentials.

My girlfriend told me she agreed with Lenin rather than Luxemburg on the issue of national self-determination and I never spoke with her again.

[Ostrinski]

I want to date a fanatic.Azula :wub:

[Ostrinski]

Honestly, I'd rather date someone who either has an interest in history or has leftist politics. As an aspie I have trouble talking about anything else.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Azula :wub:

Azula was a genuinely frightening user.

[Ostrinski]

I think she was one of those people that is somewhat unwell but still functional so never gets the help she needs and slow deteriorates into a state of hysteria.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

While I've had some lovely casual sexual relationships with people who don't share my politics, the people I've seriously dated over the last few years, in reverse order have been:

Former editor of a lefty campus paper; S.C.U.M. (http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm) tattoo.
Anarchist punk, antiracist and queer activist; S.C.U.M. (http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm) tattoo (they don't know each other - what are the odds, right?)
Well known queer anarcha-feminist 'zinester
Queer anarchist conceptual artist
Serious Copwatch organizer
Hippie-punk-farmer-dropout-musician

So, uh, I guess I mostly date within my milieu.

[Crux]

My girlfriend told me she agreed with Lenin rather than Luxemburg on the issue of national self-determination and I never spoke with her again.
Sounds like my kind of woman. And by that I mean 'a leninist'.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

At a minimum, they would have to be sympathetic to my politics.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I put sympathetic. Ideally I want to find someone who shares my views. I'm not too picky about that though, as long as they're a communist. I would date a liberal who was sympathetic, but that might be kind of hard.

I could never date a rightist though. Those people are terrible and I can hardly be around them let alone have sex with one.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I wouldn't exclude someone purely based on their politics, but I know for a fact that my worldview would clash too much with a Tory/other right-winger to have any romantic connection.

[Art Vandelay]

Look at me and Vox yo; revolutionary engagement.

[Sea]

While I've had some lovely casual sexual relationships with people who don't share my politics, the people I've seriously dated over the last few years, in reverse order have been:

Former editor of a lefty campus paper; S.C.U.M. (http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm) tattoo.
Anarchist punk, antiracist and queer activist; S.C.U.M. (http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm) tattoo (they don't know each other - what are the odds, right?)
Well known queer anarcha-feminist 'zinester
Queer anarchist conceptual artist
Serious Copwatch organizer
Hippie-punk-farmer-dropout-musician

So, uh, I guess I mostly date within my milieu.

It is now technically feasible to reproduce without the aid of males (or, for that matter, females) and to produce only females. We must begin immediately to do so. Retaining the mail has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.I'd hate to hear what they have to say about transgendered folk.

Scum indeed.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

It just makes sense, otherwise you'll have to shoot them during the revolution for being counter-revolutionary and that's no fun. That's like the sad parts of Walking Dead. :(

I'd have to shoot Nine with a 9, lql.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I'd hate to hear what they have to say about transgendered folk.

Scum indeed.

To clarify, both are well aware of the problematic aspects of Solanis (and 70s separatist feminism generally). One of them is seriously engaged in transformative justice work within their queer community, and the other, well, she gets it, y'know?
I think it's a bit silly/counterintuitive to read transphobia into the semi-ironic rehabilitation of Solanis (/ of a semi-ironic text) by contemporary queer feminists.

[thriller]

As long as they are anti-racist, anti-homophobic, and not a religious fundie, I can look past whatever political leanings they have.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

As long as they are anti-racist, anti-homophobic, and not a religious fundie, I can look past whatever political leanings they have.

I used to think this too but once they start talking about "trickle-down" economics and how great the republicans are... it usually takes a turn for the worse.

[Philosophos]

I wouldn't be able to stand a girl that has capitalist thoughts and beliefs it would drive me crazy, the same goes with fascist ideas. If she's something else I don't care :lol:

[thriller]

I used to think this too but once they start talking about "trickle-down" economics and how great the republicans are... it usually takes a turn for the worse.

True, but I'm saying are totally AGAINST racism and homophobia, not just non-racist/homophobic themselves. I've found people who often speak out on most occasions against racist and homophobic speech and actions they rarely talk about how awesome republicans are.

[l'Enfermé]

1. Date Reactionaries
2. Bring them over to our side through excellent sex moves
3. ???
4. Profit!

[Sea]

1. Date Reactionaries
2. Bring them over to our side through excellent sex moves
3. ???
4. Profit!Josef Stalin in a nutshell!

[Sea]

To clarify, both are well aware of the problematic aspects of Solanis (and 70s separatist feminism generally). One of them is seriously engaged in transformative justice work within their queer community, and the other, well, she gets it, y'know?
I think it's a bit silly/counterintuitive to read transphobia into the semi-ironic rehabilitation of Solanis (/ of a semi-ironic text) by contemporary queer feminists.Solanas was a reactionary, not a progressive. She advocated segregation, not equality. There's a difference between being for equality and for female supremacy. Solanas and all the blind fools who look up to her are no better than the heterophobes, nation of islam, Jewish supremacists and others that lie at the fringes of the social justice movement. Discrimination against females isn't wrong because of it being against females specifically, it's wrong because of it being discrimination. Unfortunately, Solanas seems to get this backwards. To dismiss that as a "problematic aspect" is a horrible understatement.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

1. Date Reactionaries
2. Bring them over to our side through excellent sex moves
3. ???
4. Profit!

WTF you posting my agenda for!?

1. Marxist bring to Anarchism.
2. Excellent sex moves.
3. anarchist.
4. Profit.

[Art Vandelay]

WTF you posting my agenda for!?

1. Marxist bring to Anarchism.
2. Excellent sex moves.
3. anarchist.
4. Profit.

The gig is up voxy, is this what our engagement is all about?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I used to think this too but once they start talking about "trickle-down" economics and how great the republicans are... it usually takes a turn for the worse.
Not only that but what these people want out of life usually stands in direct contradiction to what I want. I dated a girl who was into Ayn Rand and she wants to start her own business, live in the same shitty town forever, etc. How am I supposed to try and be me and fulfill what I want when what we want are at opposite poles?

Not even kidding, I was talking to this girl for a little while and one night I was texting her and we were talking about books. I found out she loves books and out of curiosity I ask her what type of books she likes and she started naming off all these right-wing books(books about Reagan, Glenn Beck's stupid books, etc) and that she was reading Atlas Shrug at the moment and was really enjoying it. Right then I told her that it would never work out between us, named off some books I was reading at the moment, and we agreed that a relationship would never work out. Better than getting my heart broken again you know?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The gig is up voxy, is this what our engagement is all about?

No. :crying:

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

The gig is up voxy, is this what our engagement is all about?

May I strongly advice not getting children.
The mix of anarchism and kautskyism will lead to disasters.

[Art Vandelay]

No. :crying:

I won't lie, I was kinda excited for step #2 ;).

[Nox]

Politics has absolutely zero influence on who I choose to date, and it probably never will.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Solanas was a reactionary, not a progressive. She advocated segregation, not equality. There's a difference between being for equality and for female supremacy. Solanas and all the blind fools who look up to her are no better than the heterophobes, nation of islam, Jewish supremacists and others that lie at the fringes of the social justice movement. Discrimination against females isn't wrong because of it being against females specifically, it's wrong because of it being discrimination. Unfortunately, Solanas seems to get this backwards. To dismiss that as a "problematic aspect" is a horrible understatement.

You should make a close reading of the SCUM Manifesto. A sense of humour, an eye for hyperbole, and a handle on irony might all be of use. If you still think she's a reactionary afterward, you may be one of the boring men she's talking about.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I really don't hang around people who aren't somewhat left-wing, in the broadest sense of the word so Soc-Dems included, so thr chance of me ever meeting an extreme right-winger I like are very slim.
I don't go actively looking for revolutionaries though.

[doesn't even make sense]

Not only that but what these people want out of life usually stands in direct contradiction to what I want. I dated a girl who was into Ayn Rand and she wants to start her own business, live in the same shitty town forever, etc. How am I supposed to try and be me and fulfill what I want when what we want are at opposite poles?

Yeah, dude. For a serious relationship there has to be some fucking common ground as far as values go. There's nothing weird or obsessive about insisting on that much. I mean the shit you mentioned about her plans for the future, you gotta ask yourself whether your relationship has a place in either of your futures.

On that note, I can imagine that for people who are hard-core activists and their political activity is their life a relationship with someone totally disengaged might just not be possible, not least because an apolitical person whose main goals are I dunno, start a professional career or a family or just chill the fuck out and smoke weed (to give some real life examples) they just might not be able to deal.

[doesn't even make sense]

Solanas was a reactionary, not a progressive. She advocated segregation, not equality. There's a difference between being for equality and for female supremacy. Solanas and all the blind fools who look up to her are no better than the heterophobes, nation of islam, Jewish supremacists and others that lie at the fringes of the social justice movement. Discrimination against females isn't wrong because of it being against females specifically, it's wrong because of it being discrimination. Unfortunately, Solanas seems to get this backwards. To dismiss that as a "problematic aspect" is a horrible understatement.

Dude, I don't think people who are like "lol S.C.U.M." take her work as a real manifesto so much as they are making a posture of unrepentant and unapologetic feminist radicalism. Also what's a heterophobe? I mean there are some batshit crazy adherents of identity politics out there but I don't think their nonsense deserves its own name any more than I believe 'reverse-racism' is an actual thing.

[Sea]

You should make a close reading of the SCUM Manifesto. A sense of humour, an eye for hyperbole, and a handle on irony might all be of use. If you still think she's a reactionary afterward, you may be one of the boring men she's talking about.Yeah, I'm sure everyone was having a whole barrel of laughs when she took a shot at Andy Warhol.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Yeah, I'm sure everyone was having a whole barrel of laughs when she took a shot at Andy Warhol.

Dude's paintings have sold for over $100,000,000US.
What a bore.
Good riddance to posers.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Sea, have you ever read that book "Please Kill Me: An Uncensored Oral History of Punk"? There's actually a pretty funny account of the Warhol shooting in that book. Warhol was a pretty weird dude, apparently when people were freaking as he was bleeding out, he said "don't make me laugh, it hurts too much". :lol:

But yeah, Solanas was definitely a reactionary.

[Art Vandelay]

Sea, have you ever read that book "Please Kill Me: An Uncensored Oral History of Punk"? There's actually a pretty funny account of the Warhol shooting in that book. Warhol was a pretty weird dude, apparently when people were freaking as he was bleeding out, he said "don't make me laugh, it hurts too much". :lol:

But yeah, Solanas was definitely a reactionary.

How is that book? I've thought about buying it before.

[Robespierres Neck]

Night is here again, baby,
I'm stretched out on my bed
Seeing all kinds of crazy notions
Running through my head;



I need a progressive woman;
I need an awfully liberal woman;
Ain't no reactionary baby
Can ease my revolutionary mind.



One hand is on my pillow
One hand is on my head,
I see a million nightmares
Tearing around inside my head;



I need a progressive woman
I need an awfully liberal woman
I need a social conscious woman
To ease my revolutionary mind.



If I could only make you see, babe,
I ache and pain and bleed,
I know you'd come a runnin'
If you blistered both your feet.



I need a progressive woman;
I need an awful liberal woman;
I need an open minded mama
To ease my revolutionary mind.



If you could see me here, baby,
Broke out with salty sweat;
No matter where you go I know
You never could forget



I need a progressive woman;
I need a liberal thinking woman;
I need an open hearted mama
To ease my revolutionary mind.



I ain't no lumpen proletariat,
And I ain't no petty bourgeoisie
But I'm gonna be a cold corpse
If you don't run here to me



I need a progressive shipmate;
I need a liberous nature lover,
But no reactionary female
Can ease my revolutionary mind.



If you're a republican or a democrat,
Or a white hood Ku Klux Klan,
No use to ring my doorbell
'Cause I'll never be your man



I want a union working woman
I want a progressive liberous woman,
I want a nice progressive mama
To ease my revolutionary mind.

[Os Cangaceiros]

How is that book? I've thought about buying it before.

It's pretty good. I didn't read the whole thing though, just the beginning parts of the book about Lou Reed, Iggy Pop and those folks.

They were some fucked up people back in the day.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Fuck any book on "punk" that doesn't so much as mention anarchist politics. Fucking New York hipster douchebags and rock critics need to never utter the word "punk" ever again. Their shitty scene produced a bunch of major-label rockstar shit, while punk that's worth the name was revitalizing antinuclear movements and squatting scenes, carrying out bombing attacks, and generally being awesome. Utter fucking garbage. Spend the $15 on going to three real punk shows, and you'll learn way more.

"I consider [shooting Andy Warhol] a moral act. And I consider it immoral that I missed. I should have done target practice."
- Val Solanis (way punker that anyone in that godawful book)

[MarxSchmarx]

Here's one thing I've come to realize with maturity.

Yes, a person's politics are generally based on a broader set of moral commitments. But the connection only goes so far, because people are remarkably able to compartmentalize their thinking and most of us can live quite happily with contradictions.

I'd say between 90 and 99% of the people I come in contact with are busy with their jobs, studies, social lives, and maybe a hobby or two like video gaming or bicycling. Within these confines, there is surprisingly little room for politics. As such, what makes the difference between a right-winger, a sympathizer, and a revolutionary? Often it's education or family background, but I find even that to not be very strong in most people. Politics is such a minor part of so many people's lives, that I feel I exclude otherwise wonderful people from being with if I used their commitment to the cause as any meaningful guide. Even bigots I often find are bigots because they just don't give their politics much thought, and come to conclusions based on stereotypes. Importantly, such hazy and impressionistic thinking is common also among supposed revolutionaries who should know better.

Indeed, the remaining 1-10% of people I encounter that do think seriously about politics are like me and rather resigned to the improbability of any meaningful social change for the next several decades. There are some that I encounter on soap boxes who really do think major change is imminent, but I encounter them at about the same frequency I encounter those who sincerely believe the rapture is imminent.

The way I see it, a bourgeois vegan is just as unthinking as a manual laborer who is homophobic. They can be decent people on a personal level, and just don't give much thought to politics. Conversely, I'd say about half the greatest assholes I know are committed leftist activists or academicians.

[The Machine]

Their shitty scene produced a bunch of major-label rockstar shit, while punk that's worth the name was revitalizing antinuclear movements and squatting scenes, carrying out bombing attacks, and generally being awesome. Utter fucking garbage. Spend the $15 on going to three real punk shows, and you'll learn way more.


fuck that ramones over moonbats all day long. anarcho punk in general is horrible except for like choking victim/leftover crack/star fucking hipsters ect.

oh but my wife is actually pretty conservative imo. very catholic, goes to mass fairly regularly and all that. shes not into politics at all but her outlook on life is pretty "counterrevolutionary" i guess and i can live with that. our agreement is that if anything happens to her i have to raise our daughter as a catholic, and that if anything happens to me she has to raise our daughter as a Rays fan.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Here's one thing I've come to realize with maturity.

Yes, a person's politics are generally based on a broader set of moral commitments. But the connection only goes so far, because people are remarkably able to compartmentalize their thinking and most of us can live quite happily with contradictions.

I'd say between 90 and 99% of the people I come in contact with are busy with their jobs, studies, social lives, and maybe a hobby or two like video gaming or bicycling. Within these confines, there is surprisingly little room for politics. As such, what makes the difference between a right-winger, a sympathizer, and a revolutionary? Often it's education or family background, but I find even that to not be very strong in most people. Politics is such a minor part of so many people's lives, that I feel I exclude otherwise wonderful people from being with if I used their commitment to the cause as any meaningful guide. Even bigots I often find are bigots because they just don't give their politics much thought, and come to conclusions based on stereotypes. Importantly, such hazy and impressionistic thinking is common also among supposed revolutionaries who should know better.

Indeed, the remaining 1-10% of people I encounter that do think seriously about politics are like me and rather resigned to the improbability of any meaningful social change for the next several decades. There are some that I encounter on soap boxes who really do think major change is imminent, but I encounter them at about the same frequency I encounter those who sincerely believe the rapture is imminent.

The way I see it, a bourgeois vegan is just as unthinking as a manual laborer who is homophobic. They can be decent people on a personal level, and just don't give much thought to politics. Conversely, I'd say about half the greatest assholes I know are committed leftist activists or academicians.


Yes, but what if you are so political that 90% of stuff coming out of your mouth entail the names "Marx, Lenin, Stalin - Capitalism, Communism" in it? Whe your parents get mad at your political fanaticism? Seems to me that there is no way but a revolutionary relationship.

[human strike]

I only date cops.

[Omsk]

Revolutionary dating? Are all of you 12?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I only date cops.

I brushed against the tip of a cop's truncheon once. I may never recover.

[black magick hustla]

Fuck any book on "punk" that doesn't so much as mention anarchist politics. Fucking New York hipster douchebags and rock critics need to never utter the word "punk" ever again. Their shitty scene produced a bunch of major-label rockstar shit, while punk that's worth the name was revitalizing antinuclear movements and squatting scenes, carrying out bombing attacks, and generally being awesome. Utter fucking garbage. Spend the $15 on going to three real punk shows, and you'll learn way more.

"I consider [shooting Andy Warhol] a moral act. And I consider it immoral that I missed. I should have done target practice."
- Val Solanis (way punker that anyone in that godawful book)


real punk is not "anarchist". boring anarchist punk is just one subgroup of it imho. punk has always been about nihilism and raw rebellion