Obama 2012 Winner

[Jason]

I know it doesn't mean anything to revolutionaries. But what's your take anyways on the next 4 years?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

same shit different day

[The Jay]

It will still suck.

[Ostrinski]

More of the same would be a pretty safe assumption

[the Left™]

Pots legal in colorado and washington. Proud to be an american where at least i know im free and i wont forget the men who died who gave that right to me and id gladly toke up next to you and blaze my mind away. I really love to smoke that herb, God bless the usa

[Red Banana]

They're gonna be even worse than the first four, they always are.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Pots legal in colorado and washington. Proud to be an american where at least i know im free and i wont forget the men who died who gave that right to me and id gladly toke up next to you and blaze my mind away. I really love to smoke that herb, God bless the usa
for real?! last I saw the ballot measure was like 57% yes with 1/3 of precincts repoirting


im sooo moving to colorado

[Let's Get Free]

What about the socialist apocalypse we were promised?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Everything will be a communist dream, of course; it is as if you have never watched any Glen Beck!

[Questionable]

It's a great opportunity to find out who I should delete from Facebook.

[Ostrinski]

This this this so much this^

[the Left™]

for real?! last I saw the ballot measure was like 57% yes with 1/3 of precincts repoirting


im sooo moving to colorado

yea its projected to pass in both states

[Ostrinski]

God damn, Obama won the popular by 300 votes. Is that a record? Seems so close..

[MarxSchmarx]

Pots legal in colorado and washington. Proud to be an american where at least i know im free and i wont forget the men who died who gave that right to me and id gladly toke up next to you and blaze my mind away. I really love to smoke that herb, God bless the usa

It doesn't matter.

Simple posession remains a federal crime. Every year thousands of people are locked up for drug crimes in federal court, irrespective of what these supposedly "sovereign" states (AKA "provinces" basically everywhere else) do. But, if you want God to still Bless 'Murikkka despite that, well, caveat emptor comrade.

[the Left™]

It doesn't matter.

Simple posession remains a federal crime. Every year thousands of people are locked up for drug crimes in federal court, irrespective of what these supposedly "sovereign" states (AKA "provinces" basically everywhere else) do. But, if you want God to still Bless 'Murikkka despite that, well, caveat emptor comrade.

its a bit of humor to cheer us up :confused:

[Igor]

god i was actually kinda hoping for romney to win

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

It is good for us that Obama won, that the Republicans lost so badly. Point number 1 is: The question of getting rid of electoral voting for a proper bourgeois democratic Proportional Representation, is now more pressing.

Point number 2 is: Obama is a rightist and will implement austerity. In the coming depression, there will exist a vacuum on the left.

If you calculate that in this election millions of US voters were again purged from having their votes counted and that Obama (who's slogan was "Forward!", lol) the general picture is that the American population is in its majority social, not right wing. I read that a Republican complained about the US electoral voting system, and if it is reformed and replaced with bourgeois democratic Parliamentariam as exists in Europe, a mass socialist party will emerge on the US national political scene in the next handful years.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Also, notice how urban areas totally voted for Obama! In major US cities, the Republicans have a mere one third of votes now. This is a very good basis for Proletarian Revolution!

[Let's Get Free]

Wasn't he supposed to bring Sharia law or something?

[cynicles]

Wasn't he supposed to bring Sharia law or something?

Socialist Kenyan Sharia law you mean?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Ahhahahhahahahahahahah!


Suck on that silly americans, your end is near.


My muslim-jew communists are being shipped here as we speak from pakistan to fry your asses~!

Allah akhbar! Jihad jihad salam wahhaba. Eiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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[Doflamingo]

I hope I get the communism that Glenn Beck promised me.

[Karabin]

Obama is the biggest Communist since Stalin.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I know it doesn't mean anything to revolutionaries. But what's your take anyways on the next 4 years?

Well a Romney or Obama victory could have produced any number of outcomes. In a Romney win, workers/unionists/progressives might become demoralized and run further into the arms of the Democrats and low-expectations. But on the other hand it might also have been easier to mobilize larger opposition to austerity since Republican austerity is visible while Democract's austerity is still invisible in most people's view.

Just as a guess I'd say that probably an Obama re-election, translating into just maintaining the status quo in the view of most people (since enthusiasm for Obama was minimal and the voter mobilization was done on the basis of 'stop romney'), is marginally more favorable since people won't be demoralized but they also won't give Obama much of a Honeymoon like in 2008. What his supporters don't realize is that pretty quickly Obama is going to be pushing austerity and attacks on "entitlements" which are very popular - in general but specifically with the people who voted for him on the basis of preventing Romney from cutting the same things! But because he's a Democrat, response will be confused and so maybe there won't be as much opposition as if Romeny was pushing it, but it could be sharper opposition because there would have to be a confrontation with the hypocracy of the Democratic party and liberal-austerity.

At least now, with the election over, real politics can resume.

[brigadista]

barry owes michelle big time

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I'm on the road with a republican coworker and we watched the election in his hotel room for a while. At first it was really uncomfortable, but then I just kind of felt sorry that he was taking it so seriously. He seemed legitimately afraid of what Obama would do with the next 4 years while not being able to articulate what exactly was afraid of or what Romney would do to instead. American elections are fucked up, its wrong for them to manipulate people's fears and emotions like that. At least its over for a few months

[Blake's Baby]

Socialist Kenyan Sharia law you mean?

I think its proper title is Socialist-Kenyan-Muslamic-Atheist-Jewish-Nazi-Illuminatii-Communist-Sharia law.

[NGNM85]

God damn, Obama won the popular by 300 votes. Is that a record? Seems so close..

Not even close. The President won 303 electoral votes, but surpassed his opponant in the popular vote by 2,679,930 votes.

[NGNM85]

yea its projected to pass in both states

We just legalized medicinal cannabis, here, in Massachusetts. I'll be making an appointment with my primary posthaste.

[Will Scarlet]

So how does the weed thing work if the states have voted to legalise it but it's a federal crime, where does it go from there? The drug war is not over ofc but it seems to be coming under a bit more pressure and scrutiny lately.

Also the Legitimate Rape guy and the Rape Is God's Will guy both lost, so that's cool, I don't know if they were ever expected to win or in with a chance of winning but still, fuck those guys.

Since Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election now I'm sure he will be instituting Full Communism ASAP.

[Ostrinski]

Not even close. The President won 303 electoral votes, but surpassed his opponant in the popular vote by 2,679,930 votes.Yeah, I said that when 70% of the vote was counted. My bad.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

So how does the weed thing work if the states have voted to legalise it but it's a federal crime, where does it go from there? The drug war is not over ofc but it seems to be coming under a bit more pressure and scrutiny lately.

Also the Legitimate Rape guy and the Rape Is God's Will guy both lost, so that's cool, I don't know if they were ever expected to win or in with a chance of winning but still, fuck those guys.

Since Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election now I'm sure he will be instituting Full Communism ASAP.
Chances are, local enforcement of federal law will be nil but the DEA will show their ass as soon as Stoney Marts open their doors.


And there will be legislation introduced to try to repeal legalization ASAP

[Os Cangaceiros]

99% of last years marijuana arrests were carried out by local/state cops. Busts for things like simple possession will probably disappear.

But like PCLL said, the DEA will bring the hammer down on Stoney Mart. Large commercial operations will probably continue to be clandestine.

I think that, for the pro-marijuana folks, the symbolism alone of this victory is significant. I was reading that this is the first time in history that a population (in this case, the populations of Washington and Colorado) have voted for completely legalized marijuana, although I'm not sure if that's true or not. These votes plus the opinion polls in regards to marijuana which only indicate an increasingly permisive American public kind of point towards the eventual death of the "war on weed", IMO, at least how it's currently being prosecuted. I think a lot of people here are overly cynical about this issue. The ideological paradigm in regards to marijuana is gradually shifting, and I'd argue that that's a good thing.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

99% of last years marijuana arrests were carried out by local/state cops. Busts for things like simple possession will probably disappear.

But like PCLL said, the DEA will bring the hammer down on Stoney Mart. Large commercial operations will probably continue to be clandestine.

I think that, for the pro-marijuana folks, the symbolism alone of this victory is significant. I was reading that this is the first time in history that a population (in this case, the populations of Washington and Colorado) have voted for completely legalized marijuana, although I'm not sure if that's true or not. These votes plus the opinion polls in regards to marijuana which only indicate an increasingly permisive American public kind of point towards the eventual death of the "war on weed", IMO, at least how it's currently being prosecuted. I think a lot of people here are overly cynical about this issue. The ideological paradigm in regards to marijuana is gradually shifting, and I'd argue that that's a good thing.
I definitely agree. Even here in the deep south, I interact with tons of self-described conservatives who are open to legalization.


I know possession for personal use is protected in Alaska, although I seem to recall it was a court ruling re- privacy in the home??

[Os Cangaceiros]

IIRC having up to 3 oz in your own home is legal. Transporting that 3 oz to or from your home is still very much illegal, though, so it's kind of stupid.

Still Alaska has had a traditionally more liberal attitude towards marijuana than most states, I think.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

IIRC having up to 3 oz in your own home is legal. Transporting that 3 oz to or from your home is still very much illegal, though, so it's kind of stupid.

Still Alaska has had a traditionally more liberal attitude towards marijuana than most states, I think.
Just found this on NORML ...

"Cultivation of less than 25 plants of marijuana for personal use in a private residence is protected under the right to privacy of the Alaska constitution."



You weren't kidding!

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yep, and a lot of people take advantage of their rights as Alaska residents...;)

[Jason]

It's odd that Republicans paint Obama as an "Communist, atheist, Muslim", yet the real "far left" views him as being as reactionary as Romney.

[B5C]

I would call it a great night for local issues. We got gay marriage and pot to pass in my state. Now I may have to plan for two gay weddings! We kicked out every major tea party Republican out of the running.

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I was happy for Kshama Sawant (Socialist Alternative) who got 27% of the vote and over 10,000 votes in a small area of Seattle against our state's house speaker.

I was very happy to enjoy this on election night and the day after:
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[Bakunin Knight]

The economic slide will continue, further controls on the populace will be put in place. The only big difference with the last 4 years could be a major war (with Iran).

[Aussie Trotskyist]

same shit different day

I think, in this case, saying "Same shit, different ass" is more appropriate.

[CryingWolf]

It is good for us that Obama won, that the Republicans lost so badly. Point number 1 is: The question of getting rid of electoral voting for a proper bourgeois democratic Proportional Representation, is now more pressing.

Point number 2 is: Obama is a rightist and will implement austerity. In the coming depression, there will exist a vacuum on the left.

If you calculate that in this election millions of US voters were again purged from having their votes counted and that Obama (who's slogan was "Forward!", lol) the general picture is that the American population is in its majority social, not right wing. I read that a Republican complained about the US electoral voting system, and if it is reformed and replaced with bourgeois democratic Parliamentariam as exists in Europe, a mass socialist party will emerge on the US national political scene in the next handful years.

Hahhahahah! Keep dreaming...

[Let's Get Free]

Even though I don't support conventional politics, it's still fun to watch the conceited and arrogant Conservatives run around in shame and sorrowful confusion since they have had their asses hand back to them in the recent elections.

[spice756]

Well in 4 years may be bit more prograssive on social issues but not economic issues.

More states probably legalized pot , more LGBT and women's rights but thats about all.

Don't look for Universal healthcare , more social programs for welfare not going happan any time soon with high debt.I think if any one in government tried that now a civil war would break out. There are a lot of people in the US who are very anti-Universal healthcare.

[NGNM85]

I think there were a lot of developments, in this election, beyond the Presidential race, that deserve attention.

For example; three states have just institutionalized gay marriage, bringing the total of states accepting marriage equality to 10. This is also the first time that this has happened as a result of a popular vote. (Which I, actually, have somewhat mixed feelings about.) Also; the citizens of Wisonsin elected Tammy Baldwin, the first openly gay Senator, and a move to amend the state constituition of Minnesota to ban gay marriage was defeated.

In Colorado, and Washington, measures to legalize cannabis, for recreational use, passed by solid margins. Here, in Massachusetts, we just legalized medicinal marijuana.

A number of reactionary politicians, both incumbents, and newcomers, many of them Tea Party favorites, were soundly defeated in the election. Among them were Todd 'Legitimate Rape' Akin, (The women of Missouri had no problem shutting that shit down.) George 'Rape-babies-are-presents-from-God' Mourdock, George Allen, Allen West, and Joe Walsh. All of this, I think it's safe to say, was a very explicit rejection by the American people of these candidates, and their Reactionary agenda. Conversely; among some of the victorious Democratic candidates, there were some real progressives, like Elizabeth Warren, in the Senate, and Alan Grayson, in the House.

Colorado, and Montana just passed resolutions to overturn Citizens' United, joining roughly a dozen states which have passed similar resolutions. (Massachusetts, Hawaii, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont, etc.)

More food for thought; being that this was the first post-Citizens' Presidential election, we saw the predictable deluge of private cash, etc., combined with fairly transparently racist attempts to marginalize, and disenfranchise poor voters, especially blacks, and latinos, all of that being the case; it doesn't seem to have had that big of an effect on the final results. I'm not saying we shouldn't be fighting to overturn Citizens' United, it's probably the most pressing task facing the American Left, today, especially the Radical Left, or that we shouldn't be fighting, or resisting these transparent attempts to disenfranchise working-class voters, again, predominently blacks and latinos, I'm just saying that, from what I've observed, the effects simply weren't that significant, or, more accurately, not substantial enough to change the results, in any significant way.

All of this, and more, I think, is worthy of attention, and discussion.