Hi my friends, let's all unite and create 1 party for all leftists in each country

[TheOther]

Hi my friends, I am new here. Let's all try to unite all leftists into 1 party, in most countries of this world. Divided it is too hard to overthrow the capitalist parties from governments of the world

[Ostrinski]

Sup TrotskistMarx

[Yuppie Grinder]

BRB having a Jeffersoniain-Socialist revolution in America.

[R_P_A_S]

one day you will look back at this and LOL.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Better yet, let's splinter in to thousands of autonomous insurrectionary cells, metastasizing like a cancer through the body of capital, and ultimately overwhelming it causing the catastrophic failure of its organs.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

^Actually, JK. I don't mean that, and I do think some sort of broader organization is necessary. But a single party? That sounds unwieldy at best, not to mention historically unprecedented.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

TheOther: There is no guarantee that being united "in one big happy party" means being united in practice.
welcome to the forum anyway, that is; unless you are a TrotskyistMarx sockpuppet.

[Ostrinski]

You'd think he wouldn't make it so obvious.

[Art Vandelay]

Bahahahaha this just made my day.

[l'Enfermé]

^Actually, JK. I don't mean that, and I do think some sort of broader organization is necessary. But a single party? That sounds unwieldy at best, not to mention historically unprecedented.
Historically, the most powerful national worker's movement was the German Social-Democracy. It was united under a single multi-tendency party, the SPD. So what the OP suggests is not historically unprecedented, comrade. Or do you mean the whole one party for the whole world thing is historically unprecedented? That might be true, but all 3 Internationals were meant to be these world parties, with the individual parties being the national chapters/sections.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Historically, the most powerful national worker's movement was the German Social-Democracy. It was united under a single multi-tendency party, the SPD. So what the OP suggests is not historically unprecedented, comrade. Or do you mean the whole one party for the whole world thing is historically unprecedented? That might be true, but all 3 Internationals were meant to be these world parties, with the individual parties being the national chapters/sections.

Wait, the same SPD that supported the first world war, helped smash the nascent German revolution afterward, and, reconstituted in the FRG helped smash the radical left of the 60s? Fucking gross - the absolute worst social-democratic labour-aristocratic shitstain in Europe this side of British Labour.
I stand by my earlier statement.

[Ocean Seal]

inb4 socialism in one country reference. Also Chavez Jefferson Noam Chomsky!!!!!!!!

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Lets. And lets also take a trip down to the Candy kingdom while i hit on a korean speaking rainicorn and her 1000 year old vampire friend.

[Comrade Samuel]

It's not like it's a bad idea or anything, there just aren't clear or easy steps to making it a reality is all.

Welcome anyways, you might not be around long if you respond to everybody's mocking posts aggressively, with that said screw you all.

[Prometeo liberado]

Oh christ not this "can we all get along" shit again. http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4952085169898266&pid=1.7&w=206&h=142&c=7&rs=1

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Oh christ not this "can we all get along" shit again. http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4952085169898266&pid=1.7&w=206&h=142&c=7&rs=1

Eh? (http://libcom.org/library/mutual-aid-peter-kropotkin)

[Let's Get Free]

Socialists and communists putting aside their bullshit differences to work towards the same ends? Don't be fucking ridiculous.

[Prometeo liberado]

Eh? (http://libcom.org/library/mutual-aid-peter-kropotkin)
How many times have we had to endure the call for the left to stop quarreling and start getting along? And every user who posts this shit(sorry newbie)thinks that they alone are responsible for this theoretical breakthrough. As if by some kind of dummy pill the rest of us just couldn't muster the intellect to come up with the idea. I'm falling asleep as I'm typing this because this shit is as old and played out as the life and death of princess-fucking-di or dy or dead or whatever.

[Ostrinski]

Yeah! Let's all just shoot and arrest each other and whoever is left standing at the end gets to be the revolutionary guardians.

[Prometeo liberado]

Yeah! Let's all just shoot and arrest each other and whoever is left standing at the end gets to be the revolutionary guardians.

Wha?

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Wait, the same SPD that supported the first world war, helped smash the nascent German revolution afterward, and, reconstituted in the FRG helped smash the radical left of the 60s? Fucking gross - the absolute worst social-democratic labour-aristocratic shitstain in Europe this side of British Labour.
I stand by my earlier statement.

Was that the same party?... wow, never knew... :rolleyes:

[l'Enfermé]

Wait, the same SPD that supported the first world war, helped smash the nascent German revolution afterward, and, reconstituted in the FRG helped smash the radical left of the 60s? Fucking gross - the absolute worst social-democratic labour-aristocratic shitstain in Europe this side of British Labour.
I stand by my earlier statement.
Nah. I was talking about the SPD which was the party of Marx's colleagues and disciples, like Friedrich Engels, Wilhelm Liebknecht, August Bebel, Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, Franz Mehring, Clara Zetkin, Paul Levi, Ernst Meyer, Karl Kautsky before he reneged his revolutionary Marxism, Julian Marchlewski, etc, etc. Just because power in the SPD was usurped by right-wingers and opportunists and traitors, that doesn't discredit its previous history; in 1903, the Mensheviks were Marxist revolutionaries engaging in illegal underground work, in 1917, they were traitors whose leaders took part in the bourgeois Provisional Government as Ministers; in January 1919, the KPD were revolutionary Marxists led by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, in 1931 they were Stalinists subservient to the Soviet ruling class.

The SPD's disgrace in 1914 doesn't invalidate its history.

[Marxaveli]

^^I was having this same debate in that Trotsky betraying the revolution thread that Hetz made, the one with all those silly Maoists in it. I forget who it was I was debating but they basically said the same thing and lumped the entire SPD and its history as one complete failure.

[l'Enfermé]

^I wonder how our Maoist friends would have reacted if you dismissed Mao, the Chinese Civil War, the Chinese Communist Party of the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, etc, the Cultural Revolution and all that because the heirs of Mao and the Chinese "Communists" of his generation are Deng Xiaoping, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, Wu Bangguo, Xi Jinping, Li Keqiang and so on. They would not have taken it kindly, I expect.

[Marxaveli]

Haha, yea. Maoism is shit regardless though. Probably the worst vulgarization of Marxism ever - I'm not an expert on it or the history of the Chinese Revolution and civil war but all its tenets are a complete revision of what Marx and Engels wrote. Maoists claim it builds off them but I just don't see it.

[l'Enfermé]

Haha, yea. Maoism is shit regardless though. Probably the worst vulgarization of Marxism ever - I'm not an expert on it or the history of the Chinese Revolution and civil war but all its tenets are a complete revision of what Marx and Engels wrote. Maoists claim it builds off them but I just don't see it.
RevLeft's currently most prominent Maoist, ind_com, is quite open about how Maoists discard the Marxist conception of what constitutes a social class and substitute it with revisionist gibberish, yet he calls me a "liberal" for guess what? - sticking to Marx's definition of social class and dismissing Maoist revisionism, so I must agree with you.

[Marxaveli]

ind_com! Thats who I was arguing with, LOL....guy is a complete nut job. Much of the CPUSA is filled with jokesters like him, a party that votes Democrat. And he has the nerve to call us "liberals"? LOL.