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GPDP
3rd November 2012, 00:18
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012


http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/us2012.php

This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.


The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama's detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008's yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? Between 1998 and the last election, Obama amassed $37.6million from the financial services industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (http://www.opensecrets.org/). While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.


As outrageous as it may appear, civil libertarians and human rights supporters would have actually fared better under a Republican administration. Had a Bush or McCain presidency permitted extrajudicial executions virtually anywhere in the world ( www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/047/2012/en (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/047/2012/en) ), expanded drone strikes and introduced the NDAA, the Democratic Party would have howled from the rooftops. Senator Obama the Constitutional lawyer would have been one of the most vocal objectors. Under a Democratic administration however, these far-reaching developments have received scant opposition and a disgraceful absence of mainstream media coverage.


Democratic and, especially, some Republican candidates, will benefit massively from new legislation that permits them to receive unlimited and unaccountable funding. This means a significant shift of political power to the very moneyed interests that earlier elections tried to contain. Super PACs will inevitably reshape the system and undermine democracy. It would be naïve to suppose that a President Gingrich would feel no obligations towards his generous backer, Sheldon Adelson, one of the country's most influential men. Or a President Santorum towards billionaire mutual fund tycoon, Foster Freiss. (Santorum emerged as the most authoritarian candidate, not the least for his extreme stand against abortion and condom sales.) Or a President Paul, whose largest single donor, billionaire Peter Thiel, founded a controversial defence company contracting to the CIA and the FBI. Last year it was caught operating an illegal spy ring targeting opponents of the US Chamber of Commerce. In our opinion the successful GOP contender, Romney, despite his consistent contempt for the impoverished, was correctly described as the weather vane candidate. He shares another similarity with Obama. His corporate-friendly health care plan for Massachusetts was strikingly similar to the President's "compromise" package. The emergence of the Tea Party enables the 2012 GOP ticket of unprecedented economic extremity to present itself as middle-of-the road — between an ultra right movement with "some good ideas that might go a bit too far" and, on the other side, a dangerous "socialist" president.



The smaller non-Tea parties provide the only substantial electoral diversity — virtually unreported — in their Sisyphean struggle against the two mountainous conservative machines. Identity issues like gay marriage disguise the absence of fundamental differences and any real contrast of vision. Since FDR, the mainstream American "Left" has been much more concerned with the social rather than the economic scale. Identity politics; issues like peace, immigration, gay and women's rights, prayers in school have assumed far greater importance than matters like pensions and minimum wages that preoccupy their counterparts in other democracies. Hence the appeal of Ron Paul to many liberals, despite his far-right economics. Paul, unlike Romney, would have delivered a significant crossover vote from Democrats.


If Romney loses the election, it would hardly be devastating for mainstream Republicans. During a second term of Obama, they would no doubt continue to frame the debates.


A surprisingly good analysis from the people who administer the site. I wouldn't have expected them to have chimed in with their personal opinion on the candidates, let alone blasting the hell out of Obama.

Granted, this piece is still full of liberal presuppositions, but being that the Political Compass is a pretty popular website that reaches a lot of people who want to see where they stand or are even assigned to take it in class (even if the test itself is rather bogus), I think it's pretty good for what it is.

#FF0000
3rd November 2012, 00:38
Yeah, this is pretty great. Like goddamn I wouldn't have expected this from them.

Ostrinski
3rd November 2012, 00:45
I always did wonder how they hell they figured where exactly someone fits onto the compass or if they just arbitrarily slapped 'em on there somewhere.

Os Cangaceiros
3rd November 2012, 01:37
Who the hell is Virgil Goode? Adolf Hitler's clone?

l'Enfermé
3rd November 2012, 01:55
^Hahaha. Apparently he was a Democratic Congressmen that defected to the Republics and is now is the Presidential Candidate of the "Constitution Party".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil_Goode

Will Scarlet
3rd November 2012, 02:35
I always did wonder how they hell they figured where exactly someone fits onto the compass or if they just arbitrarily slapped 'em on there somewhere.
Presumably they take their actions and established positions and use them to answer the questions they have. It's probably not too scientific but the whole concept is fairly flimsy in any case. But it's cool they're pointing out you couldn't get a cig paper between Obama and Romney I guess.

Ostrinski
3rd November 2012, 02:39
Lmao, Rocky Anderson tried to get the nomination of the Peace and Freedom Party :laugh:

Let's Get Free
3rd November 2012, 02:45
Here's their political compass for world leaders

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png

ed miliband
3rd November 2012, 04:27
i mean, i know mandela is a cuddly old man and that, but is there really that much disparity between mandela and zuma?

Rugged Collectivist
3rd November 2012, 04:31
Isn't Stewart Alexander supposed to be a socialist? His score is pathetic.

Igor
3rd November 2012, 04:48
i mean, i know mandela is a cuddly old man and that, but is there really that much disparity between mandela and zuma?

probably not, but mandela is first and foremost remembered as a political thinker and ender of apartheid, not as the president for most of 90s. zuma in the other hand is primarily known as a president and is thus judged more by his policies than mandela is.

Marxaveli
3rd November 2012, 05:57
I haven't taken this thing in a long while, last time I did I think I was -10 Left/Right and -8.5 Libertarian/Authoritarian

Flying Purple People Eater
3rd November 2012, 08:22
How is Benedict left-wing? He was a member of fucking Hitler-Youth for christ's sake.

GPDP
3rd November 2012, 08:47
How is Benedict left-wing? He was a member of fucking Hitler-Youth for christ's sake.

Yeah... don't take this thing too seriously. The test is pretty much exclusively framed around liberal principles, which makes it very limited and places people where you would not expect. There's a reason everyone on this board, from the most hardcore anarchist to the tankiest Leninist, scores on the left-bottom corner, despite how much they disagree with each other.

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
3rd November 2012, 09:22
Interesting graph...

Rugged Collectivist
3rd November 2012, 09:27
Has anyone been to the iconochasms part of that site? I learned a lot of interesting stuff there. for example.

Q.Who wrote of the "impeccable economic logic" of dumping the west's "health impairing" toxic waste in "under polluted" Africa, because the resultant cancers wouldn't have time to develop in a population with such a low life expectancy ?

A.Lawrence Summers.

It then goes on to say.


Summers went on to greater things, initially as Treasury Secretary in the final 18 months of the Clinton administration, and now as Barak Obama's Chair of the National Economic Council.

There's also one about how Thomas Jefferson wanted to castrate gay guys.

Igor
3rd November 2012, 09:32
How is Benedict left-wing? He was a member of fucking Hitler-Youth for christ's sake.

he was conscripted to hitler jugend when he was like 15 so it's not as if it really has anything to do with his politics

Positivist
3rd November 2012, 13:44
How is Benedict left-wing? He was a member of fucking Hitler-Youth for christ's sake.

So was every child in germany over ten at the time.

hetz
3rd November 2012, 15:26
Tsipras is more to the Right than Dalai Lama. :laugh:

Mr. Natural
3rd November 2012, 17:03
More could be added, but that was a good starting political indictment of Obama that Political Compass put out. However, Obama is, in fact, the lesser of evils.

I don't vote for evil, lesser or greater, but I doubt many comrades realize just how far to the right the US government and electorate have gone, or just how dangerous Romney, the Republican Party, and the proto-fascist Tea Party they are riding have become.

Well, in the absence of any effective left organizing, all roads lead to fascism, but Romney will get us there a bit sooner, and Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will survive in diminished form a bit longer under the Democrats.

So what's it to be, Comrades? A Republican Tea Party summary execution? A Democratic Party death of a thousand cuts? Or, what the hell--a left that learns to organize?

My red-green best.

The Idler
3rd November 2012, 17:06
I guess the political compass proves Obama's not socialistic.;)

Marxaveli
3rd November 2012, 19:46
I think we should make our own 'radical left' political compass that is designed similar to this one, but within our framework of course. Would be interesting to see.

Questionable
3rd November 2012, 20:10
While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.

Can someone give me the names of these people? Hell, I'd appreciate all Trilateral Commission members currently serving under Obama if there's a comprehensive list.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
3rd November 2012, 22:25
How is Benedict left-wing? He was a member of fucking Hitler-Youth for christ's sake.

Im no apologist for the Catholic church or anything, but to be fair, the Hitler YOUTH targeted young people who, presumably, had time to change their views later in life when they weren't getting brainwashed by fascists.

RedSonRising
4th November 2012, 09:39
More could be added, but that was a good starting political indictment of Obama that Political Compass put out. However, Obama is, in fact, the lesser of evils.

I don't vote for evil, lesser or greater, but I doubt many comrades realize just how far to the right the US government and electorate have gone, or just how dangerous Romney, the Republican Party, and the proto-fascist Tea Party they are riding have become.

Well, in the absence of any effective left organizing, all roads lead to fascism, but Romney will get us there a bit sooner, and Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will survive in diminished form a bit longer under the Democrats.

So what's it to be, Comrades? A Republican Tea Party summary execution? A Democratic Party death of a thousand cuts? Or, what the hell--a left that learns to organize?

My red-green best.

Well, you could argue he's worse. Aside from endangering women's reproductive rights (which depends more on legislation from congress) and being more likely to provoke Iran into conflict, domestic policy is practically identical. In fact, a small, itty bitty part of my kind of hopes that Romney wins so that mainstream liberals remember what its like to be decent and active human beings opposing gross violations of civil liberties, the slaughter of children in the middle east, illegal home foreclosures, bank bailouts, and all the other horrid stuff that comes from the contradictions of capitalism.

But you're right in your analogy; a left that learns to organize is what we need.

LordAcheron
4th November 2012, 10:48
Who the hell is Virgil Goode? Adolf Hitler's clone?
hitler would probably by closer economically to where robomney is.

UrbanRunner
4th November 2012, 15:59
More could be added, but that was a good starting political indictment of Obama that Political Compass put out. However, Obama is, in fact, the lesser of evils.

I don't vote for evil, lesser or greater, but I doubt many comrades realize just how far to the right the US government and electorate have gone, or just how dangerous Romney, the Republican Party, and the proto-fascist Tea Party they are riding have become.

Well, in the absence of any effective left organizing, all roads lead to fascism, but Romney will get us there a bit sooner, and Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will survive in diminished form a bit longer under the Democrats.

So what's it to be, Comrades? A Republican Tea Party summary execution? A Democratic Party death of a thousand cuts? Or, what the hell--a left that learns to organize?

My red-green best.

I agree with everything you have written. :thumbup1:

I also think that the Political Compass is generally a good starting point and should be taken seriously.