Trotskyist groups outside of the trotskyist tradition?

[Tjis]

As has been joked about ad nauseam, many Trotskyist groups find their origin in some split (for laughs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trotskyist_internationals). I was wondering, apart from the original Fourth International, have there actually been any Trotskyist groups that did not find their origin in some split (or more rarely, a fusion), but rather were started independently?

For clarity, I'm also not asking about groups started by ex-party members from multiple Trotskyist organizations, I'm strictly asking about groups that were founded independently by people who thought Trotsky (or perhaps someone else within the tradition) had good ideas and they'd be able to build a good party out of it, without previous Trotskyist party affiliation.

The reason I ask is because I suspect Trotskyism is more a tradition than an ideology, and if that's true, starting an independent Trotskyist party without reference to the ideology of an earlier party to differentiate from is very difficult, if not impossible, and therefore there shouldn't be many around, if any.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Perhaps you mean Post-Trotskyism such as defined by groups like the Workers World Party and the Party for Socialism and Liberation? (Though the latter did split from the former). As far as I know the WWP didn't split from any other group but I am pretty sure that finding a group with your qualifications is going to be somewhat difficult...

[sixdollarchampagne]

In fact, Workers World did come out of the SWP; ithe founder of Workers World, Sam Marcy, a veteran US Stalinist, split because Marcy backed the Soviet invasion of Hungary, in 1956, as wikipedia.org testifies:

..."Marcy and his followers split from the Socialist Workers Party in 1958 over a series of long-standing differences, among them Marcy's group's support for Henry A. Wallace's Progressive Party in 1948, the positive view they held of the Chinese Revolution led by Mao Zedong, and their defense of the 1956 Soviet intervention in Hungary, all of which the SWP opposed."


Perhaps you mean Post-Trotskyism such as defined by groups like the Workers World Party and the Party for Socialism and Liberation? (Though the latter did split from the former). As far as I know the WWP didn't split from any other group but I am pretty sure that finding a group with your qualifications is going to be somewhat difficult...