China can suck my ****

[Anonymous]

you know that guy the Dalai Lama? he is the spiritual leader of tibete. Anyways he is in portugal for a visit and i for one think he is an interesting person and if i had the chance i would meet him. Because of chinese pressure and later on treats there was no official wellcome to the man, nore was he recieved in your assembly of the republic. There was some unease about the situation and in the end representatives from all the political parties asked the DL for a meeting (except for the comunist party) and on his last the our president also made him a visit. Frist off all i want to say that the comunist party has lost some of my consideration, not so much for not meeting the DL but more for failing to distance them selves from the chinese #$"#&%$&/$$%&$. Not that i am religious im not in fact im rather a radical person when it comes to individualism, but i still think he is a person with merit for several reasons like his non violence aporch to the issue of tibet. Anyway after our persident visited the Dalai Lama the chinese patato heads freaking lost it and when on tv all worked up talking about the future of bilateral relations etc. If they think they can bully us like they bully there own ppl they can suck me because id rather punch there noses in.

[Maaja]

I agree with you, it is disgusting how so many leaders don't want to meet His Holiness and they are meeting the Chinese massmurderers. I have met Dalai-Lama twice (in 1991 and 2001) ehen he was in Estonia. Our president didn't want to meet him too, he said that it could be dangerous for Estonia-China economical relations. But we don't have economical relations with China. And would he really believe that Chinese governement will atack us for meeting Dalai-Lama? Well, our PR met him but he organisez it like *an accident*, but everyone saw that he wanted to meet him. Anyway, he gave some speeches and all the people adored him. Because he is against the violence and consummation society. By the way, he says himself to be a marxist!
This summer I had the chance to change some words with him, when I was little the I could sit on his knees!
An Estonian politician wrote in newspaper what he thought about the wonderful reception of a high Chinese politician who organized the killing of Chinese students (I don't remember the places name but it was Beijing, you all do definetely understand!), but how our leaders didn't want to recognize His Holiness... They don't see what really is valuable, what really is worth of something. We should value mentality and spirituality more than money. I hate politicians who are all the time afraid, they don't do what people wants. I can just say DOGS about them!

[Guest]

Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Dalai lama ROCKS !!!!!

[Capitalist]

Che Guevara thought very highly of Chinese Communists over all other communists (including the Soviet Union). He considered Chinese Communism to be the purest form of communism. He completely idolized Mao and even named his first daughter after him.

The same communists who destroyed Tibet. Are the same communist that El Che most idolized.

If you don't support communist China (famous for American Slave Labor and the horrible human rights), then you obviously don't agree with Che-Guevara.

Read you ignorant commies - read read read.

[Moskitto]

Urm, YOU think.

1. We are not all Che wannabes

2. Even if we were we don't support everything that Che did.

3. Yeah hell I mean a country that has large corporations, joins the WTO, has free trade deals with the US has got to be communist, hasn't it?

[Freiheit]

Quote: from Capitalist on 3:59 pm on Nov. 30, 2001
Che Guevara thought very highly of Chinese Communists over all other communists (including the Soviet Union). He considered Chinese Communism to be the purest form of communism. He completely idolized Mao and even named his first daughter after him.

The same communists who destroyed Tibet. Are the same communist that El Che most idolized.

If you don't support communist China (famous for American Slave Labor and the horrible human rights), then you obviously don't agree with Che-Guevara.

Read you ignorant commies - read read read.


i saw a collection of one of ches speeches, in his speech
he critizised the USSR so hard, that he was kicked off
cuba.
che didnt agree with the USSR policy.
and you are the person who should read.

[Capitalist]

Freiheit, I couldn't agree more.

El Che did not like the Soviet Union.

I know that, you don't have to put YOUR words into MY statements. - if you would READ my statement again, perhaps you would see that I never said that Che liked the Soviet Communists. I said he liked the Chinese Communists over ALL Others - including the Soviet Union.

That is why Fidel Castro sent him away on a guaranteed death mission. Fidel needed that Soviet Union money for his failed war against America.

[Dreadnaht1]

Whoa, whoa, whoa people. You need to get some shit straight here. First of all if you know anything about Che and Castro's ten year comradery then you would know that Castro did not send Che to Bolivia. This is how it happened:

The final speech Che made on his big 'adventure' as ambassador for Cuba deeply condemned, opposed, and critisized the Soviet Unions trades with Latin America. Because this speech had such a huge impact Che was forced to go into hiding. He ventured into the Congo of Africa first and tried to reconcile with several Anti-Che's. After being laughed at he recieved notice that his mother had died. This further impacted his current views and descisions. After returning from the Congo in secrecy to Cuba he met with Castro. They had a converstion that lasted for over 40 hours behind closed doors. The outcome of which Che decided to venture into Bolivia to try and revolutionize more of South America. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS WAS CHE'S DESCISION, IT WAS NOT INFLUENCED IN ANYWAY BY CASTRO. However, it was later revealed that the USSR did trick Che into going. Che has said this and emphazised this many times.

Che's daughter's name is Hildita Beatriz, not Mao allthough he did nickname her such because she resembled Mao Tsze-Zong.

Also, China is no longer a communist nation, it is now a fascist nation at least in my opinion.

Hope this clears most things up.

[Capitalist]

I agree with Dreadnaht1 on some of his facts concerning Che's daughter's name. I stand somewhat corrected.

However I am still convinced that Fidel Castro was more than happy to get the live Che out of his way because Fidel needed the Soviet Union's support and Che was not helping with Soviet relations.

And the main point I was trying to make in the first place was that I found it very ironic that a supporter of Che would totally support the Dalai Lama, because Che did not seem so concerned for Tibet when he idolized communist China.

[Capitalist]

I have a question for Dreadnaht1

Which China took over Tibet and exiled the Dalai Lama and his people?

Was it Communist China or Fascist China (in your opinion)?

[Capitalist]

Which China did El Che support?

Was it communist China or Fascist China?

There is no doubt - Che GueVara adored and held the highest esteem for China and Mao - the same China that invaded Tibet.

[Guest]

Just a quick aside Capitalist,your sig,"capitalism,democracy,efficiency"...........you haven't visited Britain recently,have you?

[RedCeltic]

Read you ignorant commies - read read read.

Great! I'm gone for awile and another ignorant capitalist shows up calling everyone on this board a commie... and ignorant!

At least this troll has the balls to call himself what he is.. Capitalist coarperate slime. Not everyone here is a commie...

And... you are the one who needs to read.... because if you did, you would see how your precious capitalism is in trouble right now... and you wouldn't have the nerve to run around with the name Capitalist.

CAPITALIST-PIG!


(Edited by RedCeltic at 8:13 am on Dec. 2, 2001)

[Dreadnaht1]

YOU SEE? We have to call in the fucking Comandante to run the interference against the damn capitalists. Those damn capitalists are everywhere, not even Che's memory can be celebrated without them.

Thanks RedCeltic, always appreciated

FUCK IMPERIALIST POWER IN ALL IT'S FORMS!

[Guest]

What world do you folks live in? Capitalism is in trouble? It will buckle under its own weight? How long has this been going on? I remember another giant crumbling under its own weight. It was, um, oh yeah, the Soviet Union! Wait - they weren't capitalist. It's pretty obvious that the U.S. has been on the verge of collapse for years now. Just when will it happen? Any one want to hazard a guess? I think you'll be making a whole lot more posts before that happens. You'll have plenty of time to keep predicting the end of capitalism - plenty o' time! That darn reality keeps getting in the way. Oh well, there's always slogans and websites!

[Kez]

To ignorant Capitalists around the world,

Marx predicted that capitalist will crumble because of its own contradictions. Therefore the USA WILL, crumble, just as the rest of the world. However, when this will be is a different issue,its unlikely unfortunately that it will happen, this week, next week, next year even, and im not mystic kamo, so i cant say, but i would say that it would be before the next 50 years, as the rest of the world undergoes capitalism, the already capitalist nations will change to socialism, just as Europe is.

comrade kamo

[Drifter]

lots of governments have there good and bad sides,,
i don't think america is going to collapse anywere in a hurry, i worry more on the state of the environment caused by capitalism and unbridled greed.

[Kez]

Yes i agree Drifter
One of the worst points of capitalism isthe disregard of the environment, an example of this being the horrific rate of deforestisation in the amazon.

comrade kamo

[RedCeltic]

I never said capitalism was going to fall any time soon.. .I said it's in trouble... and it is... they have admited that we are in a resession... which can only mean one thing... we're in a depression... (it's always worse than what they say.)

[Kez]

RedCeltic if ur online now, go on icq

[Moskitto]

I think hyperinflation is the key to the destruction of capitalism

With the enlightenment of third world producers there will be massive price rises as they will refuse to sell goods at extremely cheap prices set by western corporations. This will lead to growing prices in the west and resentment towards the government, This will in turn lead to more people seeing how much we really rely on third world countries to keep us bouyant, and seeing how much they would really have to pay, they would see socialism as the alternative.

[thaddeus69]

i would make a point to moskitto. if the enlighten third world producers refuse to sell their products to the capitalists of america and the EU for low prices, then who do you think they will sell them to? the developed countries have got those of the third world between a rock and a hard place. they can either sell them for ridiculously low prices and get little profit or refuse to be taken advantage of and make no profit at all. and although many people in the developed world claim to want to help their underpaid and explotted brothers not many of them will be willing to pay an extra £2 or £3 on the cost of their coffee for piece of mind will they?

[libereco]

i saw the dalailama speak at the European Parlament just a little while ago...was interesting.
He stressed the religious points a little too much i thought, but when he was doing that i usually switched the translation to some interesting sounding language that i don't understand. ;)

[Moskitto]

Good point, But

can't they plough up the fields where it's growing and grow food that they actually eat so they've got food? Because that is the real problem.

eitherway, buy Fairtrade products. In the UK "Excellant Tea/Cafe, Direct from the growers", "Green and Blacks", "Geobars" and "Tradecraft" are good and fairly traded.

[thaddeus69]

i think that third world producers should learn from the arabs. america explotted them for years, taking their oil and giving them very little in return. that was until the oil producing countries decided to act together against america's explotation. now these countries can demand the prices they see fit for their produce and they have a massive influence on the economy of the world's so called superpower, with the power to plunge america(and the rest of the oil dependant world) into a recession at anytime. the coffee and tea producers of latin america and the copper and diamond miners of africa should act together to ensure the rest of the world realises the full worth of their commodity.

[Moskitto]

That is a good idea. But the world isn't as dependant on coffee and tea as it is on oil, But it would certainly make people think about things more.

[RedCeltic]

Yes true Mosketto... many goods produced in 3rd world countries are low cost because they can be produced just about anywhere elce...

The Arabs have the western world in a strangle hold because it takes thousands of years to produce the fossle fules that we are burning up like mad.

[Moskitto]

My dad always says that when anyone gives support to the colonial era.

He says that the european powers turned whole countries into areas for growing tea, coffee, pinapples, chocolate etc. They used all the good land and now that the empires have left the countries have no money to grow crops which they actually use.

Then the way the western economy works is that prices for these crops are set by "Stock Exchanges" which are in western countries. Therefore the west set prices for things they buy and lets people starve.

It's a bit like walking into a shop and saying I want a TV and i'm paying 50p for it.