When do you expect the revolution will come?

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Just curious...

[doesn't even make sense]

Too late.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

Too late.

It's already a couple of centuries too late!

[Ostrinski]

Impossible to know, but I answered this century.

[Prometeo liberado]

Anytime after Thursday. Between 2 and 4 p.m. depending on traffic. Give or take.:thumbup1:

[Let's Get Free]

May 24th, 2041, at precisely 1:38 pm.

[Prometeo liberado]

May 24th, 2041, at precisely 1:38 pm.

EST, Greenwich mean or what?

[#FF0000]

EST, Greenwich mean or what?

you have to guess that's the fun!

[Igor]

it's happening right now. follow the news dude

[Ostrinski]

May 24th, 2041, at precisely 1:38 pm.Doesn't work for me. Can we reschedule?

[Igor]

Doesn't work for me. Can we reschedule?

sorry that decision is up to triple vampire lenin who hasn't been resurrected yet

[Ostrinski]

what a bureaucrat

[The Jay]

Mayan apocalypse people, mayan apocalypse.

[Ostrinski]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29171724.jpg

[Stand Your Ground]

If this is what we're hoping for then I'm gonna say 5-10 years.

If this is what we think we think will actually happen I'm gonna say never. The majority of the working class seems to like being wage slaves.

[Igor]

If this is what we're hoping for then I'm gonna say 5-10 years.

If this is what we think we think will actually happen I'm gonna say never. The majority of the working class seems to like being wage slaves.

it wasn't at all unusual for slaves and serfs to actually enjoy their position in the society, as long as they got fed and their living conditions were reasonable. yet, we do not live in a feudal society anymore. it's kinda weird to assume that just because revolution doesn't seem likely under current situation, it would never happen, because current situation won't last forever

[Comrade Samuel]

May 24th, 2041, at precisely 1:38 pm.

You will be getting a strongly worded PM on that exact date and time expressing my anger at there being no revolution and at your lack of faith in our robot overlords ...see you when I'm 45!

I voted in this century- 12 years in and the world economy is crumbling while progressive thinking is on the rise I wouldn't even be afraid to say in the next 50 give or take.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

"It will come like a thief in the night."-Jesus.

[Ostrinski]

Comrades, come join the revolution
the revolution in my pants

[The Jay]

Didn't you all hear? Chavez won.

[Blake's Baby]

Lenin, January 1917: 'we of the older generation may not live to see the decisive battles of the coming revolution'.

I've been told that in 1918 Luxemburg said 'the day before the revolution, nothing is less possible; the day after, nothing is more likely'. But I can't find that searching on the net anywhere, so I can't say it's genuine. But it certainly expresses something that I believe to be true, that revolutionary upsurges cannot be accurately predicted, as the quote from Lenin demonstrates.

[Zealot]

I answered this century but the reality is that it could take place this year. It will most probably happen completely spontaneously with no one having predicted it.

[l'Enfermé]

Lenin, January 1917: 'we of the older generation may not live to see the decisive battles of the coming revolution'.

I've been told that in 1918 Luxemburg said 'the day before the revolution, nothing is less possible; the day after, nothing is more likely'. But I can't find that searching on the net anywhere, so I can't say it's genuine. But it certainly expresses something that I believe to be true, that revolutionary upsurges cannot be accurately predicted, as the quote from Lenin demonstrates.
Marx and Engels predicted 1848 in 1847, Kautsky predicted 1905 in 1904, etc, etc.

[Blake's Baby]

Marx and Engels predicted 1848 in 1847, Kautsky predicted 1905 in 1904, etc, etc.

Marx and Engels always thought that the next revolutionary upsurge was 'the' revolution and they were wrong for 50 years or thereabouts. 1905 wasn't 'the' revolution either, any more than 1968 was (predicted by Internationalismo, Venezuelan Section of the ICC, in 1967, as if anyone cares).

Trotsky said in 1926 (or thereabouts) 'England is ripe for revolution'. So what? Was he any more wrong than Marx or Engels, who thought capitalism wouldn't survive the 19th century?

Predicting revolutionary upsurge is easy, like Marx and Engels, if you say it often enough, some of the time you'll be right; predicting them accurately (in terms of what they mean at a given moment) is harder. Saying beforehand that 'at such a time a movement will develop that goes this far', and then being right about afterwards, is to all intents and purposes impossible.

[Thirsty Crow]

I voted for probably never. I don't see much use for hope and optimism.

[Hit The North]

If it's anything like UPS, it'll come when I'm sitting on the toilet.

[Stand Your Ground]

it wasn't at all unusual for slaves and serfs to actually enjoy their position in the society, as long as they got fed and their living conditions were reasonable. yet, we do not live in a feudal society anymore. it's kinda weird to assume that just because revolution doesn't seem likely under current situation, it would never happen, because current situation won't last forever
What I said was more along the lines of sarcasm, what I really meant was that people are too apathetic or comfortable with the current situation.

[The Jay]

If it's anything like UPS, it'll come when I'm sitting on the toilet.

Lol I used to live with a gamer with anger issues. He would be screaming at dipshits on xbox live as though they killed his mother. Whenever a package arrived we didn't know until I left the place and saw it lying there. The delivery person never knocked because of the screaming. Needless to say, I don't live there anymore and left on bad terms.

[zoot_allures]

I expect that society will continue on pretty much the same path for the next 2-4 decades, then enter global collapse. Maybe there'll be a few revolutions when the shit starts to hit the fan, but it'll be a lost cause at that point.

So, never. Well, maybe we'll pick ourselves up a few hundred years from now and give it another shot. But I think that in my lifetime, things are going to get far worse, not better.

Pessimistic, I know, but that's what I'd guess is most likely. I hope I'm wrong.

[bcbm]

probably about the same time as every other prophesied millenarian fantasy

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't know about the revolution, but I give capitalism's hegemony as a global system less than a century, before it collapses under the combined weight of its many contradictions, which even now are becoming increasingly difficult for the elites to just paper over in their way.

After that? Depends. If we're lucky, something better (at least in historical terms) than capitalism. If we're unlucky, a new Dark Age, which we may or may not recover from.

The slightly disquieting thing about the above is that I won't start being be able to make half-way decent guesses until I'm starting to reach the end of my natural life (2050s onwards). I'm incorrigibly curious so I hope this does not mean I'll die before I find out what history has in store for us all.

[piet11111]

The problem is that today the "left" political party's and labor unions still have some support and influence even though they do everything they can to keep capitalism going.

Its not until those reformists are forced out or their organizations replaced that we can expect anything to happen.

The south african rejection of the NUM is a very hopeful sign because its a clear rejection of a pro-capitalist union and because of it the capitalists are feeling threatened because the old system of controlling the workers is clearly breaking down.

But it will need a clearly revolutionary program and the will to follow it through before revolution becomes possible.

[Blake's Baby]

Isn't the other union (AMCU?) just another bureaucratic leftist union though? It was founded after a split in the NUM, I believe. The main difference is that the NUM has direct ties to the ANC, whereas the AMCU hs a more oppositionist stance. But the tactics its adopted are merely part of a strategy to force its way into the corridors of power and demand a place at the bargaining table, aren't they? Is the AMCU really any different to the NUM? Seems to me that it's just another manoeuvre to divide up the working class and enrol (some of) them behind a different faction of the bourgeoisie that can then hold its own negotiations of the sale of labour power.

[maskerade]

let's be honest, we're all probably going to die in some horrible war in the coming decades. maybe post-apocalyptic communities will be egalitarian, though probably most likely not.

[piet11111]

Isn't the other union (AMCU?) just another bureaucratic leftist union though? It was founded after a split in the NUM, I believe. The main difference is that the NUM has direct ties to the ANC, whereas the AMCU hs a more oppositionist stance. But the tactics its adopted are merely part of a strategy to force its way into the corridors of power and demand a place at the bargaining table, aren't they? Is the AMCU really any different to the NUM? Seems to me that it's just another manoeuvre to divide up the working class and enrol (some of) them behind a different faction of the bourgeoisie that can then hold its own negotiations of the sale of labour power.

Im not saying the AMCU is any better but the workers are fed up with the NUM because of their obvious ties to big business and the government.
They realize that the NUM directly benefits from selling out their interests and its that understanding that i find hopeful.

[Domela Nieuwenhuis]

let's be honest, we're all probably going to die in some horrible war in the coming decades. maybe post-apocalyptic communities will be egalitarian, though probably most likely not.

Although it's a thought that has passed my mind on several occasions, it's kinda depressing.

Makes me think: "What the hell are we doing here!?" (on RevLeft that is)

[the last donut of the night]

probably about the same time as every other prophesied millenarian fantasy

i would not be bummed at all if communist revolution looked anything like a hieronymus bosch painting