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TheGodlessUtopian
26th October 2012, 12:16
Any good suggestions? Can be from any viewpoint as I am interested in reading about the histories of such tendencies in the aforementioned countries because of said nations histories in leaning towards anti-Trotskyist and Anarchist ideologies.
Geiseric
26th October 2012, 17:59
There was a huge trotskyist movement in Vietnam but the Stalinists killed them lol. Same for China. look up Ta Thu thau. Chen Duxiu was the leader of the CPC and he was a Trotskyist, untill he was betrayed and thrown in jail.
ind_com
26th October 2012, 18:16
Any good suggestions? Can be from any viewpoint as I am interested in reading about the histories of such tendencies in the aforementioned countries because of said nations histories in leaning towards anti-Trotskyist and Anarchist ideologies.
Trotskyism never had any significant foothold in China. However, some ex-CPC leaders did turn to Trotskyism after they left the CPC. The article below provides a good account from their point of view.
http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/china/zheng.htm
bad ideas actualised by alcohol
26th October 2012, 18:22
There was a huge trotskyist movement in Vietnam but the Stalinists killed them lol. Same for China. look up Ta Thu thau. Chen Duxiu was the leader of the CPC and he was a Trotskyist, untill he was betrayed and thrown in jail.
He was asking for material on it not you having your usual talk about the “evol Stalinoids who kill all the gooood guise” which you end with a “lol”.
Material is not the same as random claims.
You are just flame-baiting, which will ruin a thread that could otherwise provide useful information.
Geiseric
26th October 2012, 19:01
He was asking for material on it not you having your usual talk about the “evol Stalinoids who kill all the gooood guise” which you end with a lol “lol”.
Material is not the same as random claims.
You are just flame-baiting, which will ruin a thread that could otherwise provide useful information.
What the fuck the title of the thread is "Trotskyism and anarchism in china and vietnam," how is that not related?
bad ideas actualised by alcohol
26th October 2012, 19:06
What the fuck the title of the thread is "Trotskyism and anarchism in china and vietnam," how is that not related?
Well, it isn't.
You missed the part where it says Material on.
Which you didn't give, unless you think this:
“There was a huge trotskyist movement in Vietnam but the Stalinists killed them lol. Same for China”
Is material. Or even interesting.
If you'd given sources it would've been relevant.
Zeus the Moose
26th October 2012, 19:53
Coming from the ETOL as posted above, there's a book called International Trotskyism: 1929-1985 (http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/alex/works/in_trot/index.htm), which has info on both the Chinese and Vietnamese Trotskyist movements. If you're enrolled at a college or university you might be able to get the physical copy of the book (with the full list of entries) through Inter-Library Loan. There's also a journal called Revolutionary History (http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/revhist/backissu.htm) which comes mostly from a Trotskyist perspective, which has stories of first hand accounts (among other things) of the Trotskyist movement in both countries.
I know significantly less about anarchism in those countries, though I believe the early Communist Party of China was influenced just as much by anarchism as Marxism in its early days.
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