Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

[ВАЛТЕР]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/survey-most-israeli-jews-would-support-apartheid-regime-in-israel.premium-1.471644


This makes me sad. :(


Survey: Most Israeli Jews would support apartheid regime in Israel

Survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews.

Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank.
A majority also explicitly favors discrimination against the state's Arab citizens, a survey shows.
The survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews. The survey was commissioned by the New Israel Fund's Yisraela Goldblum Fund and is based on a sample of 503 interviewees.
The questions were written by a group of academia-based peace and civil rights activists. Dialog is headed by Tel Aviv University Prof. Camil Fuchs.
The majority of the Jewish public, 59 percent, wants preference for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries. Almost half the Jews, 49 percent, want the state to treat Jewish citizens better than Arab ones; 42 percent don't want to live in the same building with Arabs and 42 percent don't want their children in the same class with Arab children.
A third of the Jewish public wants a law barring Israeli Arabs from voting for the Knesset and a large majority of 69 percent objects to giving 2.5 million Palestinians the right to vote if Israel annexes the West Bank.
A sweeping 74 percent majority is in favor of separate roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank. A quarter - 24 percent - believe separate roads are "a good situation" and 50 percent believe they are "a necessary situation."
Almost half - 47 percent - want part of Israel's Arab population to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority and 36 percent support transferring some of the Arab towns from Israel to the PA, in exchange for keeping some of the West Bank settlements.
Although the territories have not been annexed, most of the Jewish public (58 percent ) already believes Israel practices apartheid against Arabs. Only 31 percent think such a system is not in force here. Over a third (38 percent ) of the Jewish public wants Israel to annex the territories with settlements on them, while 48 percent object.
The survey distinguishes among the various communities in Israeli society - secular, observant, religious, ultra-Orthodox and former Soviet immigrants. The ultra-Orthodox, in contrast to those who described themselves as religious or observant, hold the most extreme positions against the Palestinians. An overwhelming majority (83 percent ) of Haredim are in favor of segregated roads and 71 percent are in favor of transfer.
The ultra-Orthodox are also the most anti-Arab group - 70 percent of them support legally barring Israeli Arabs from voting, 82 percent support preferential treatment from the state toward Jews, and 95 percent are in favor of discrimination against Arabs in admission to workplaces.
The group classifying itself as religious is the second most anti-Arab. New immigrants from former Soviet states are closer in their views of the Palestinians to secular Israelis, and are far less radical than the religious and Haredi groups. However, the number of people who answered "don't know" in the "Russian" community was higher than in any other.
The Russians register the highest rate of satisfaction with life in Israel (77 percent ) and the secular Israelis the lowest - only 63 percent. On average, 69 percent of Israelis are satisfied with life in Israel.
Secular Israelis appear to be the least racist - 68 percent of them would not mind having Arab neighbors in their apartment building, 73 percent would not mind Arab students in their children's class and 50 percent believe Arabs should not be discriminated against in admission to workplaces.
The survey indicates that a third to half of Jewish Israelis want to live in a state that practices formal, open discrimination against its Arab citizens. An even larger majority wants to live in an apartheid state if Israel annexes the territories.
The survey conductors say perhaps the term "apartheid" was not clear enough to some interviewees. However, the interviewees did not object strongly to describing Israel's character as "apartheid" already today, without annexing the territories. Only 31 percent objected to calling Israel an "apartheid state" and said "there's no apartheid at all."
In contrast, 39 percent believe apartheid is practiced "in a few fields"; 19 percent believe "there's apartheid in many fields" and 11 percent do not know.
The "Russians," as the survey calls them, display the most objection to classifying their new country as an apartheid state. A third of them - 35 percent - believe Israel practices no apartheid at all, compared to 28 percent of the secular and ultra-Orthodox communities, 27 percent of the religious and 30 percent of the observant Jews who hold that view. Altogether, 58 percent of all the groups believe Israel practices apartheid "in a few fields" or "in many fields," while 11 percent don't know.
Finally, the interviewees were asked whether "a famous American author [who] is boycotting Israel, claiming it practices apartheid" should be boycotted or invited to Israel. About half (48 percent ) said she should be invited to Israel, 28 percent suggest no response and only 15 percent call to boycott her.

[l'Enfermé]

Wait, you mean to say that most Israeli Jews haven't been supporting the apartheid-style government of Israel since, umm, 1948?

[Let's Get Free]

The sad thing is that the entire Israeli culture has been deliberately designed to specifically support these odious points of view. It should not be a surprise to see them laid out in black and white. How else to support a 64 year occupation but to promote Jewish supremacism and anti-Arab racism? How else to support and perpetuate ethnic cleansing? How else to excuse the dismal lives of the Palestinians? It takes a generation or two to entrench this kind of horrific racism in a society. Apartheid, indeed.

[thälmann]

thats the reason that only an escalating palestine liberation struggle will bring bigger parts of the jews to the point where there question their settler identity

[xvzc]

I'd argue that the settler-colonial social basis and apartheid nature of Israel is precisely what conditions them to think like this. Social being determines social consciousness, after all.

[KnowledgeThroughLeninism]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.

[cynicles]

Most Israeli jews we're always racist and supported this oppression, now they're just being more upfront and stragiht forward about it instead of attempting to coach it in 'progressive' tone. Try pinkwashing this one away zionists.

[Sir Comradical]

Makes sense. Most of the people who migrate to Israel are a fanatic lot and know what they're supporting and getting into. I met an Israeli Jew originally from India (where they faced zero antisemitism mind you) who went to Israel, thinks Israel is too soft on the Palestinians, and is proud of his military service.

[black magick hustla]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.
lol at the apostrophes. what is with fucking american "socialists" and their apologism for the murderous israeli state

[ВАЛТЕР]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.


This is a bunch of horseshit. It is far, far worse than what we see and hear about. There is an entire population being ethnically cleansed from their homes. You went to Tel'aviv? Fantastic. Why didn't you go and see how it was in Gaza? Where Israeli forces murder civilians on a weekly basis. The Israeli state is guilty of crimes against humanity, and the majority of the Israeli population supports these actions as they have been convinced by the propaganda that the Palestinians are savages. The ones that don't support the state and it's imperialist, aggressive ambitions are looked down upon and ridiculed. Israel is guilty of war crimes and its population has done very little to try and stop this trend.

[Aussie Trotskyist]

Firstly, this isn't surprising.

Although, I know an Israeli at school. She doesn't care about the conflict, and is neutral to my stance on the issue. However, she probably isn't representative of the entire Israeli population.

Also, I was watching 'Yes Prime Minister' a few days ago, and it did make the point that surveys can be easily biased, based on the questions asked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

[bricolage]

Why didn't you go and see how it was in Gaza?
I'm pretty sure you can't just walk into Gaza.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I'm pretty sure you can't just walk into Gaza.

I'm just pointing that out because he said he went to Tel'aviv and said "oh I don't see any oppression here, I guess it doesn't exist." It's like me going to NYC and hanging out on Times Square and saying "I don't see any ghettos, there are only rich people here." forgetting about the projects in Queensbridge, Marcy, Yonkers, etc.

[Sir Comradical]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.

Tel Aviv isn't in the West Bank.

Quite frankly you should be banned for this post.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Reminds me of something my family told me. Apparently my grandfather has his name emblazoned on a memorial for non-jews in israel for his heroic deeds to protect them during World War II (he helped smuggle many out of Holland). Seems nice huh?

Except for one thing: the memorial was constructed upon a palestinian village who's population was forcibly removed. Pretty fucking shit to spend your life fighting oppression only to have a memorial made for you on top of an ethnically cleansed ruin.

[Ocean Seal]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.
Yeah man I just went to Texas and I saw my cousin hang out with a white guy. I guess that means that racism is gone in the American Southwest. Also cool use of "oppression". Its almost like saying Hitler's "deathcamps".

[redstarradical]

WHAT? Those who benefit form oppression just might support continued oppression? WOW.

I remember when all those slaveholders decided they no longer wanted slaves and let them all go free. Cause that happened.

Big surprise.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

You'd probably feel the same if you were given billions in blood money by the USA, fed huge propaganda, lived in a situation of real war and had missiles from the other side hit the other side of your house every day.

This makes me sad but:

a) it's a sample of 503 people out of 5 million Israeli Jews, and
b) the result does not mean Israeli Jews are somehow inherently racist, or have even become 'racist'. It's a product of material conditions, many Israeli Jews, Arab Israelis, Palestinian Arabs, Druze and others have very complicated relationships with each other and before wading in on one side or the other, it's important to have an understanding of the delicate history of Israel.

There is a huge difference between the racist, war-criminal state and successive governments of Israel, financed by the US, and the people of Israel. Of course, in a state of war, it's not as simple as 'why aren't the Israeli people rising up against this evil regime?'

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Well the Zionist "oppression" in the west bank that you see on the internet or on newspapers is very very different then when your over there.

I recently just returned from Tel'aviv, Israel visiting my cousins who live there and they hang out with a bunch of different types of Arabs from Saudis to Yemenite people there is no sign of cultural hatred there at all. The Arabs are even for Israel!

I am not for Zionism as it goes against my beliefs but they need to stop trying to stir things up over there because its not like what we see at all.

Tel Aviv is the most culturally relaxed place in Israel. And it's full of the wealthy - look at the Sheraton and other hotels there!

If you were going to find 'relaxed' cultural attitudes anywhere, you'd find them in Tel Aviv.

[blake 3:17]

Tel Aviv isn't in the West Bank.

Quite frankly you should be banned for this post.

I'd oppose a banning simply on this post. There is tremendous naivete about the racist militarism of the Israeli state and society.

Israeli society is headed towards an absolutely nihilistic suicidal path with the consent of the vast majority of Jewish citizens.

The hopeful signs I see are the Free Gaza and Gaza youth movements, the international BDS movement, and opposition to imperial intervention in Iran and Syria.

[Sir Comradical]

I'd oppose a banning simply on this post. There is tremendous naivete about the racist militarism of the Israeli state and society.

Israeli society is headed towards an absolutely nihilistic suicidal path with the consent of the vast majority of Jewish citizens.

The hopeful signs I see are the Free Gaza and Gaza youth movements, the international BDS movement, and opposition to imperial intervention in Iran and Syria.

He's denying the oppression of Palestinians! This conflict is bread and butter stuff for any communist/anarchist.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Tel Aviv is the most culturally relaxed place in Israel. And it's full of the wealthy - look at the Sheraton and other hotels there!

If you were going to find 'relaxed' cultural attitudes anywhere, you'd find them in Tel Aviv.

Tel Aviv also is the prostitution capital of the middle east (along with Dubai). A lot of people are trafficked there.

Kind of OT, but...

[barbelo]

Why people still make this retarded comparison between South Africa=Israel?
It's the same thing as Crusader states=Israel. People really believe these after reading about the conflicts?:confused:

It makes no sense to apply international pressure and boycotts on Israel if they are not oppressing an internal population, like South Africa did, they will never break apart from the inside or "go down a nihilist suicidal path"; it won't produce any tension, Israel will only turn to other sides in seek of support and partnership, or the products will be sold elsewhere.

What makes sense is to produce a sense of unity and responsibility among the Ummah and call for the defense of palestinian rights, and empower them to fight for themselves. Not be a foreigner who will throw yourself under a bulldozer while the palestinians only watch, not fund a crazy militia like Hamas (who killed Vitorio Arrigoni) or a corrupt party like Fatah, but simply support the palestinian people.
Of course this would require that Arabs stop the killing among themselves, which is something impossible.

[Mr. Natural]

Sir Comradical, Yes, KnowledgeThroughLeninism has much to learn, but let's have him stay around for awhile and see if he's a learner. We all begin in various ignorances, and some of us learn, others continue to wallow in ignorance such as denying the pervasive underlying racism Zionism promote.

Of course Zionism is a form of racism, but Zionism is also very understandable. Historically, Jews have been viciously persecuted as a people, and WW II saw an attempt to wipe them out. So securing a territory from which Jews can defend themselves against the rest of humanity just seems like perversely good thinking, given their history.

But Zionism and the state of Israel are deeply racist and are a threat to the continuation of all of humanity, including the Jews.

Given the history of the Soviet Union and revolutionary failures everywhere, I don't believe Marxists can crow over the brutal, racist, long-term genocidal character of Zionism. We obviously have much to learn, too, and we aren't learning. Marxism--a supposedly revolutionary theory--has buried itself in a past that did not work, and I cannot think of any significant advances in left revolutionary theory in the past century.

I may have missed something, and if so, comrades are invited to correct me. I'm a learner.

Marxism has become conservative as hell, and humanity is going to hell. I expect some comrades to recognize this reality and commit themselves to a radical re-examination of theory and practice. I expect genuinely revolutionary comrades to ask themselves: What has gone wrong? Where has Marxist revolutionary theory failed? What must we do to correct this and develop an effective praxis?

If we were to get an effective movement going, we would also be able to begin to do something about Israel's slow but calculated genocide of the Palestinian people.

My red-green best.

[The Douche]

Why people still make this retarded comparison between South Africa=Israel?
It's the same thing as Crusader states=Israel. People really believe these after reading about the conflicts?:confused:

It makes no sense to apply international pressure and boycotts on Israel if they are not oppressing an internal population, like South Africa did, they will never break apart from the inside or "go down a nihilist suicidal path"; it won't produce any tension, Israel will only turn to other sides in seek of support and partnership, or the products will be sold elsewhere.

What makes sense is to produce a sense of unity and responsibility among the Ummah and call for the defense of palestinian rights, and empower them to fight for themselves. Not be a foreigner who will throw yourself under a bulldozer while the palestinians only watch, not fund a crazy militia like Hamas (who killed Vitorio Arrigoni) or a corrupt party like Fatah, but simply support the palestinian people.
Of course this would require that Arabs stop the killing among themselves, which is something impossible.

1) Verbal warning for prejudiced language.

2) Just what the fuck do you mean by that second bolded part?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

What makes sense is to produce a sense of unity and responsibility among the Ummah and call for the defense of palestinian rights, and empower them to fight for themselves. Not be a foreigner who will throw yourself under a bulldozer while the palestinians only watch

Wow you're a wanker aren't you.

[Ocean Seal]

You'd probably feel the same if you were given billions in blood money by the USA, fed huge propaganda, lived in a situation of real war and had missiles from the other side hit the other side of your house every day.
I'm going to challenge that. Do you know of any person who has had their house hit my shitty Gaza rockets more than once?



a) it's a sample of 503 people out of 5 million Israeli Jews, and
This is how statistics work, a good randomly generated sample will give you accurate results.


b) the result does not mean Israeli Jews are somehow inherently racist, or have even become 'racist'.
No one is inherently racist, but to disagree with the notion that Israeli Jews aren't at least complacent with the privileges that racism brings them would be false for the most part.



It's a product of material conditions, many Israeli Jews, Arab Israelis, Palestinian Arabs, Druze and others have very complicated relationships with each other and before wading in on one side or the other, it's important to have an understanding of the delicate history of Israel.

I'm pretty sure no one here disagrees. But the same could be said of Jim Crow, and white South African settlers.



There is a huge difference between the racist, war-criminal state and successive governments of Israel, financed by the US, and the people of Israel. Of course, in a state of war, it's not as simple as 'why aren't the Israeli people rising up against this evil regime?'
No one disagrees, but its not like we can ignore the fact that many of the people are brainwashed enough to masturbate to destroying homes in Palestine.

[barbelo]

2) Just what the fuck do you mean by that second bolded part?

Syrian occupation of Lebanon and the assassination of Lebanese prime-minister in 2005, the hundreds of civil wars in the region, arab league attacking Iraq during Gulf war, Iran conflict, claims and support for dissent in gulf countries, and thousand more cases of arabs fighting among themselves instead of uniting against foreign intervention and occupation in their land.
Should I edit the word "retarded" for something more light?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I'm going to challenge that. Do you know of any person who has had their house hit my shitty Gaza rockets more than once?

Do you need to have your house hit more than once to feel danger? I've stood in places in Israel with people who have lost family and friends in those exact places, i've had Arab-Israeli's try to abduct my group purely because we were with Israelis in an Arab neighbourhood.

It's certainly not one-sided, is my point. We can't pretend that it's only the attitudes of some Israelis that are a problem.

[QUOTE]This is how statistics work, a good randomly generated sample will give you accurate results.

Thanks, as an economist i'm quite familiar with statistics. Generally, polling gives only an idea of prevalent attitudes, and often are not hugely accurate, if we're talking in a theoretical statistical sense. They can be prejudiced quite easily (i've worked in polling for quite a long time), and whilst they're certainly useful as an indicator, I wouldn't make grand assumptions (such as about the attitudes of all Israeli Jews), based on what is a pretty small sample.


No one is inherently racist, but to disagree with the notion that Israeli Jews aren't at least complacent with the privileges that racism brings them would be false for the most part.


I would say it's due down to ignorance, bred by propaganda, material conditions and genuine threat. The first is self-explanatory: the mythology of the Israeli state from its inception. The second is as you say, a complacence that is bred through economic supremacy. The latter also comes into play: there is a hatred between (generally, not absolutely) the Arab and Israeli populations and there are faults on both sides, it's important to understand this.




No one disagrees, but its not like we can ignore the fact that many of the people are brainwashed enough to masturbate to destroying homes in Palestine.

I don't think that's quite accurate. There's a tiny minority who, as you say, get off on destroying Palestinian peoples' homes. There is probably a majority who are also in favour (a 'silent' majority) of either extending settlement building, or not ceding any settlement ground. There is also a sizeable minority who are Zionists in that they support the existence of the state of Israel but understand the reprehensible behaviour of the settlement builders.

[Agathor]

I think this is going to end in the same fashion as the Marcos dictatorship. The Israelis will do something so extreme that the US will be forced to abandon them.

[Ravachol]

thousand more cases of arabs fighting among themselves instead of uniting against foreign intervention

We are communists, not nationalist lunatics. We advocate Arabs fighting among themselves. As well as Israelis fighting among themselves, Americans fighting among themselves, Frenchmen fighting among themselves, Germans fighting among themselves, etc. Its where the fire is aimed at, the ruling classes everywhere, regardless of cross-class nationalist identity politics, what matters. Surely the host of inter-bourgeois conflicts you mentioned (which aren't limited to the Arab world despite whatever you may think) don't qualify as such, but that doesn't mean we should go around preaching 'national unity, invaders out!'

Communism is the elaboration of global civil war.

[barbelo]

We are communists, not nationalist lunatics. We advocate Arabs fighting among themselves.

So you advocate to intentionally put a small and weak fighter (Palestine) against a strong and big foe, and then later complain about how the foe crush the fighter? Because this is what every criticism of Israel from internet socialists reads like.
If the arab world is so against Israel as they say and their discourse isn't just some populist method of creating an external enemy, it's only logical that they should unite, claim responsibility too for the palestinian fate- because 48 was a serious land grab by the arabs part- and support the palestinian people instead of fascist proxies.


Communism is the elaboration of global civil war.

Yeah right.
It's obvious that because of finite resources and space, and because of an ever evolving technology of transport and communication, humanity will need to organize itself in a way that they are not slaves of their own economic growth and consumption.
But I bet all my money that communism won't come with this clothing of Leninism, soviet memorabilia or "vanguardist" revolutions; from a materialistic point of view what is called communism now days is only a false consciousnesses invented by the middle class to maintain their privileges, like universities paid by the population, which in most part won't be able to enter these universities.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

So you advocate to intentionally put a small and weak fighter (Palestine) against a strong and big foe, and then later complain about how the foe crush the fighter? Because this is what every criticism of Israel from internet socialists reads like.
If the arab world is so against Israel as they say and their discourse isn't just some populist method of creating an external enemy, it's only logical that they should unite, claim responsibility too for the palestinian fate- because 48 was a serious land grab by the arabs part- and support the palestinian people instead of fascist proxies.

I think you're mis-understanding the point. From a communist perspective, our analysis must go beyond framing the debate in terms of nation, ethnicity, religion. Socialism is a class-based view of the world, and as such we must not lump all palestinians against all Israelis, or all Arabs against all Zionists from Israel and the diaspora.

Instead, we must insist that the palestinian people do not put their faith in religious zealots, nor dictators, nor those who terrorise ordinary Israeli workers. And we must insist that, instead of saying 'down with the Israelis', we say 'down with Zionism', whilst supporting the Israeli working class.

I care for the workers in Palestine Arab, and the workers in Israel, not for the religious fanatics or bourgeoisie on both sides.



But I bet all my money that communism won't come with this clothing of Leninism, soviet memorabilia or "vanguardist" revolutions; from a materialistic point of view what is called communism now days is only a false consciousnesses invented by the middle class to maintain their privileges, like universities paid by the population, which in most part won't be able to enter these universities.

I don't recognise this, can you elaborate? This sounds suspiciously like anti-communist propaganda you're spreading. And i'm not Leninist, just to be clear.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Hey you guys

Like some else said, it's a 503-person sample

And stats can be manipulated like a motherfucker to show what you want, especially with such a small sample.

[Ravachol]

But I bet all my money that communism won't come with this clothing of Leninism, soviet memorabilia or "vanguardist" revolutions;


What the hell are you talking about? :confused: Obviously communism won't come 'dressed in soviet memorabilia and Leninism' because it never did. Are you somehow under the impression that i'm a Leninist? If so, I'm very curious how you got that impression as I don't think you get many people on this board who are further from Leninism than I am...



from a materialistic point of view what is called communism now days is only a false consciousnesses invented by the middle class to maintain their privileges, like universities paid by the population, which in most part won't be able to enter these universities.

Yeah... all those dusty marxist cultural critics maintaining a vast web of false consciousness to trick the proletariat into funding universities and courses on Zizek and Badiou to maintain the prof's middle class position.... Cause that's how universities function nowadays... :rolleyes:

[hetz]

Communism is the elaboration of global civil war.
Since when?

[Ravachol]

Since when?

Since the moment the material human community of primitive communism was fragmented into class society.

[thälmann]

why do comrades here try to discuss with (anti)germans?
arent they banned?

[cynicles]

Why people still make this retarded comparison between South Africa=Israel?
It's the same thing as Crusader states=Israel. People really believe these after reading about the conflicts?:confused:

It makes no sense to apply international pressure and boycotts on Israel if they are not oppressing an internal population, like South Africa did, they will never break apart from the inside or "go down a nihilist suicidal path"; it won't produce any tension, Israel will only turn to other sides in seek of support and partnership, or the products will be sold elsewhere.

What makes sense is to produce a sense of unity and responsibility among the Ummah and call for the defense of palestinian rights, and empower them to fight for themselves. Not be a foreigner who will throw yourself under a bulldozer while the palestinians only watch, not fund a crazy militia like Hamas (who killed Vitorio Arrigoni) or a corrupt party like Fatah, but simply support the palestinian people.
Of course this would require that Arabs stop the killing among themselves, which is something impossible.
Wow! Bigotted, denying the oppression of Palestinians, making up shit about Hamas and delusional. How are you not banned yet?