Kammenos wants SYRIZA cooperation in triggering snap polls

[Die Neue Zeit]

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_22/10/2012_466826


Independent Greeks leader Panos Kammenos on Sunday suggested that SYRIZA and Independent Greeks MPs should resign ahead of a vote on the austerity measures in Parliament and trigger snap elections.

“We will fight this battle in and outside Parliament. But we can stop the measures as well as the country's and the Greek people's surrender, by triggering elections,” Kammenos said in an interview on Sunday.

Greece's conservative-led coalition government is currently negotiating a new austerity package with the troika of foreign creditors. The package is set to include more wage and pension cuts.

Independent Greeks, a right-wing populist party, control 20 seats in Parliament after winning 7.5 percent of the vote in the June general election. Left-wing SYRIZA, which is Greece's main opposition party, has 71 deputies.

According to parliamentary rules, 60 or more MPs have to resign and their replacements refuse to take their positions before Parliament can be dissolved and new elections held.

These are interesting times.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_22/10/2012_466826



These are interesting times.

I was just thinking of the possibility of snap elections when i wrote that post about a possible Syriza win a few days ago. Very interesting times indeed!

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ The more interesting part is the support of certain right-populists.

[Delenda Carthago]

These are interesting times.
Sure.

http://www.mysmurfsvillage.com/wp-content/gallery/smurfs-village-team/lazy.jpg

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Sure.

http://www.mysmurfsvillage.com/wp-content/gallery/smurfs-village-team/lazy.jpg
^^ KKE

Golden Dawn
vvv
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Gargamel_and_Azrael_from_the_Smurfs.jpg

This is the situation of communists in Greece with your attitude!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Possibly a parliamentary maneuver with IG to force elections but otherwise Syriza should be very careful of working with these people.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

^^^ The more interesting part is the support of certain right-populists.

Yeah, i noticed that. But they never said that they want to make a coalition, did they? The Greek Bourgeoisie must also have taken quite a toll from the austerity. A mere 58% of the means of production in Greece are being used and industrial production has fallen over 25% the last four years; logically speaking, the Greek Bourgeoisie should call for exiting the Euro or creating a political Union because this situation is a disaster. But then again, the big Bourgeoisie in Greece make 90% of their profits from finance anyway like anywhere else, so maybe this new right-wing populist party is representative of the smaller bourgeoisie being destroyed by austerity. You think this move telling of Syriza's attractiveness to Capital? I doubt it.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Possibly a parliamentary maneuver with IG to force elections but otherwise Syriza should be very careful of working with these people.


Yeah, i noticed that. But they never said that they want to make a coalition, did they? The Greek Bourgeoisie must also have taken quite a toll from the austerity. A mere 58% of the means of production in Greece are being used and industrial production has fallen over 25% the last four years; logically speaking, the Greek Bourgeoisie should call for exiting the Euro or creating a political Union because this situation is a disaster. But then again, the big Bourgeoisie in Greece make 90% of their profits from finance anyway like anywhere else, so maybe this new right-wing populist party is representative of the smaller bourgeoisie being destroyed by austerity. You think this move telling of Syriza's attractiveness to Capital? I doubt it.

If somehow the situation forces Greece to declare bankruptcy and exit the eurozone, I wonder what reaction there might be to a "workers government" led by SYRIZA, supported by the KKE because of euro-skepticism and the exit, and also supported by these right-populists because of the same. :confused:

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

If somehow the situation forces Greece to declare bankruptcy and exit the eurozone, I wonder what reaction there might be to a "workers government" led by SYRIZA, supported by the KKE because of euro-skepticism and the exit, and also supported by these right-populists because of the same. :confused:

Reaction by who? The Fascists, the Conservatives, the public? I didn't understand the sentence.

[Die Neue Zeit]

By everyone, from right to left. That's why I put "workers government" in quotes.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Well that is too broad of a question for me to answer. And i think i understood it incorrectly now, that it was not even a question of yours but a hypothetical wondering how they might react. I personally am not even sure if Greece will have to leave the Euro to stop austerity, i mean, at some point the politicians of the Banks will notice that they are manufacturing their own death if they continue this austerity path. It's really a crazy situation, the European Politicians are being forced to push austerity by their paymasters and must certainly see that this can only end in chaos and mass unrest. This cannot go on forever as something will emerge to stop the austerity everywhere it is being implemented, and they must know this. There is absolutely no alternative, even the "Socialist" government of Hollande are going to make cuts in the next months; the hegemony of reactionary bourgeoisie is astounding and i also wonder what will happen if there is an alternative put forward in Greece.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

...in fact, i think words like "reactionary" bourgeoisie are completely outdated. It seems there is complete agreement among the bourgeoisie that there needs to be government austerity.

[Delenda Carthago]

^^ KKE

Golden Dawn
vvv
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Gargamel_and_Azrael_from_the_Smurfs.jpg

This is the situation of communists in Greece with your attitude!
Yes. Cause if we accepted to denounce class struggle and the need for a socialist revolution and we colaborated with SYRIZA to put make up on the rotten face of capitalism, and reach up to collaborate electoraly with far right party of Kammenos(!!!!) we would be so fuckin cool, right?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Why would Syriza ever work in governemnt with the IG?

[Geiseric]

It wouldn't. This is ultra leftism at its finest though on the part of KKE supporters!

[Crux]

Yes. Cause if we accepted to denounce class struggle and the need for a socialist revolution and we colaborated with SYRIZA to put make up on the rotten face of capitalism, and reach up to collaborate electoraly with far right party of Kammenos(!!!!) we would be so fuckin cool, right?
The latest polls show KKE shrinking further. Has there been any significant splits on the ground yet? Or is the party leash holding tight still? Lo and behold making your election campaign into a campaign against SYRIZA first and foremost turned out to not be success, but rather lose you half your electorate. But I've been over the ingrained sectarianism of the KKE before and yes, I do read your international page. Sometimes for the political content, but mostly because the beyond-parody sectarianism.

As for forcing snap elections, well apparently technically SYRIZA could do that on it's own. Whether the Independent Greek deputies resign as well is immaterial and of course they should be kept at a distance. remember this is a suggestion from Kammenos, not a joint press statement or whatever.

So yeah, interesting times. We might yet see the pro-troik old establishment coalition crumble fully. There might be a SYRIZA government in 2012 in Greece yet.

[Delenda Carthago]

The latest polls show KKE shrinking further. Has there been any significant splits on the ground yet? Or is the party leash holding tight still? Lo and behold making your election campaign into a campaign against SYRIZA first and foremost turned out to not be success, but rather lose you half your electorate. But I've been over the ingrained sectarianism of the KKE before and yes, I do read your international page. Sometimes for the political content, but mostly because the beyond-parody sectarianism.

As for forcing snap elections, well apparently technically SYRIZA could do that on it's own. Whether the Independent Greek deputies resign as well is immaterial and of course they should be kept at a distance. remember this is a suggestion from Kammenos, not a joint press statement or whatever.

So yeah, interesting times. We might yet see the pro-troik old establishment coalition crumble fully. There might be a SYRIZA government in 2012 in Greece yet.


Polls show KKE at a +2% at average. So once again you are a liar. Streets show KKE at >everyoneelsecombined. So once again you are ignorant.

I know that a right winger would prefer electoral power over grass root, but thank Marx, KKE is not like that.


Other than that, lets have a sneak peek on what a SYRIZA goverment will look like.

http://mao.gr/paske-autonomi-paremvasi/:thumbup1:

[Positivist]

If somehow the situation forces Greece to declare bankruptcy and exit the eurozone, I wonder what reaction there might be to a "workers government" led by SYRIZA, supported by the KKE because of euro-skepticism and the exit, and also supported by these right-populists because of the same. :confused:

Honestly, Greece probably couldn't survive outside of the EU, it is too depleted of resources and undersized.

[Delenda Carthago]

Honestly, Greece probably couldn't survive outside of the EU, it is too depleted of resources and undersized.
The imperialist you know is better than the freedom you dont.

[LiberationTheologist]

The imperialist you know is better than the freedom you dont.

Yup, obstructionist self proclaimed marxists often default to make every excuse to oppose political independence because economic independence won't instantly appear.

[Crux]

Polls show KKE at a +2% at average. So once again you are a liar. Streets show KKE at >everyoneelsecombined. So once again you are ignorant.

I know that a right winger would prefer electoral power over grass root, but thank Marx, KKE is not like that.


Other than that, lets have a sneak peek on what a SYRIZA goverment will look like.

http://mao.gr/paske-autonomi-paremvasi/:thumbup1:

+2% of what? And indeed KKE are good at bringing out their members for their marches. I do prefer workers power to the greek twin heads of opportunism thst the synright and tje kke.

[Omsk]

What is the stance of the Syriza on the European Union?

[ВАЛТЕР]

What is the stance of the Syriza on the European Union?

They think that Greece should remain a member of the EU. :rolleyes:

[Delenda Carthago]

What is the stance of the Syriza on the European Union?
They voted "yes" to the Maastricht Treaty, alongside with PASOK-ND. And today they see the future of Greece within EU, and they present themselves as the only secure way for Greece to stay within the eurozone.


As a matter of fact, they were mocking KKE back then, being the only party that didnt vote "Yes" to Maastricht Treaty, saying how "backwards" it is etc.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Lol are comrades seriously defending those class-collaberationist snake-oil salesmen?

They're one of the worst parties in government besides the Golden Dawn, because they try to appeal to the left with populist shit and co-opted campaigns. Half of the KKE's propaganda has actually been taken, photoshopped and recycled for use by the disgusting pigs. They have nothing to offer the working class, nor will they take action against the GD.

[Omsk]

Valter, Delenda, i knew the answer, i just wanted to make everyone remember that. :D

[Luís Henrique]

Well, I can only hope Syriza doesn't byte this bait. There is no reason to have successive elections with no actual change in the strength relations; it only tires the people and exhausts their political energy in useless electoral campaigns.

Of course it is good to see the Greek bourgeoisie splitting and showing signs of despair... but running to their rescue is another matter.

Luís Henrique