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Questionable
21st October 2012, 13:36
If the police are already a private force for the bourgeois state, why do some seek to privatize them? They already answer to the state, so what's the point? Isn't redundant? Or do they just want more direct control while also spinning a profit off of it?

The Douche
21st October 2012, 13:41
It reduces government expenditure, its almost always more cost effective to use the private sector than use the government. Paying less to the police and not paying their pensions would allow the state to lower taxes or to reinvest that tax money in other projects.

Full privatization of the police would never really work, because some people would never pay for police protection (I wouldn't) and then when something happened to those people there would be no investigation or whatever. So there would just huge parts of the population that were entirely unpoliced, except for in their interactions with protected individuals/business.

You know how the mafia and gangs extort businesses and individuals for "protection"? It would be a legal version of that.

Questionable
21st October 2012, 14:16
Full privatization of the police would never really work, because some people would never pay for police protection (I wouldn't) and then when something happened to those people there would be no investigation or whatever. So there would just huge parts of the population that were entirely unpoliced, except for in their interactions with protected individuals/business.

Would it really be on an individual basis like that? From the writings I've seen on the subject I figured it would just be up to individual cities/towns/states what police company they wanted, and then the common citizen wouldn't have much of a choice.

The Douche
21st October 2012, 14:19
Would it really be on an individual basis like that? From the writings I've seen on the subject I figured it would just be up to individual cities/towns/states what police company they wanted, and then the common citizen wouldn't have much of a choice.

Oh, well thats not full privitization. Like, the way "fire companies" (before they were fire departments) used to sell their services, you had to pay a certain amount of money a year for a little plaque to put on your house, and if it caught fire, the fire company would show up to put it out, but if you didn't have the plaque, they'd let it burn to the ground.

But yeah, the sort of partial privitization you're talking about is still motivated by reducing government expenditure, just like how some people advocate the privitization of roads/public works or schooling.

Psy
21st October 2012, 16:35
Full privatization of the police would never really work, because some people would never pay for police protection (I wouldn't) and then when something happened to those people there would be no investigation or whatever. So there would just huge parts of the population that were entirely unpoliced, except for in their interactions with protected individuals/business.

Also there is no way private security companies can hold their own against any uprisings. Individual capitalists they don't pay their goons enough to be willing to fight against superior numbers thus why Pinkertons ran away in the 1877 Railway Strike, as you get what you pay for and the Pinkertons only paid for goons that would fight against workers that didn't fight back and when workers fought back the Pinkertons will to fight broke much faster then the police.

JPSartre12
22nd October 2012, 18:02
If the police are already a private force for the bourgeois state, why do some seek to privatize them? They already answer to the state, so what's the point? Isn't redundant? Or do they just want more direct control while also spinning a profit off of it?

I've debated with idea with some of my friends, and a really good point (at least, I think so) that's come up is the idea of accountability.

If things are under public control (the government, etc) there's a level of democratic control that one can exert over the police. You can pass laws and regulations, and so on and so forth. Admittedly, public control is awfully small and limited, but it's still there. Private control takes all democratic accountability of the public's hands - privatization results in us no longer being able to have any say in what is going on.