14 year old Pakistani Trot shot by Taliban

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I'm sure all of you have heard about Malala Yousafzai since her story is being copied and pasted onto every major new site that you'll see. But what most mainstream journalist won't tell you was that she was not only a supporter of the International Marxist Tendency, but she was actually quite active in her local Branch. Alan Woods even wrote an obituary. At first I didn't believe it because the cynic in me thought it was just Alan being an opportunist in the worst way possible, but I found this picture of her speaking at one of the IMT's local rallies.

(Edit, because of my noobie status I can't post the links, just google her name next to the acrynome "IMT")

Personally I'm disgusted how the media refuses to acknowledge this just because they fear that it might upset their cold war narrative. Now I'm not open about my political beliefs because I come from a catholic neighborhood, but personally I'm going to spread the word as far as I can. I'm going to make a photo and share it on facebook and I hope you will all join me.

[erupt]

Your completely right. Western media, specifically American and British media, are calling her an educational activist. They'll put off the "Loony Lefty" names and words until the last minute because, at least in my opinion, the bourgeoisie do not, under any circumstances, want to create a 14-year-old Pakistani girl martyr for socialism, or even for the educational activism they do state she participated in.

And on a side note, spread the word far and wide to any and all who'll listen, especially in your predominately Catholic neighborhood. Just don't be insulting at all, unless someone really insults you, or your beliefs.

Actually, and I'll probably get gawked and laughed and quoted for this, but there should be common ground between Christians and socialists concerning this matter, especially when her age and gender are taken into account. So, this'll be an easy way to get the ball rolling for other socio-economic discussions you can have with your sheepish neighbors.

[Marxaveli]

I guess doctors are saying she has about a 70% chance for survival. Really hope she is going to be ok. Pretty fascinating that she is so political at such a young age, and a Marxist to boot!

[erupt]

I guess doctors are saying she has about a 70% chance for survival. Really hope she is going to be ok. Pretty fascinating that she is so political at such a young age, and a Marxist to boot!

Yeah, I thought relating to Marxism at around 15 was very early (that's what happened to me.) For her to be 14 now, she's probably been a Marxist for some time now.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

A brave comrade this young women is to undertake such activism in such a reactionary setting.I hope that is she survives she is not driven to give up her efforts.

[Geiseric]

I hope she's okay, the Taliban are probably the most reactionary people on the planet.

[Ocean Seal]

Absolutely terrible. Brave girl, solidarity forever.

[Crux]

I'm sure all of you have heard about Malala Yousafzai since her story is being copied and pasted onto every major new site that you'll see. But what most mainstream journalist won't tell you was that she was not only a supporter of the International Marxist Tendency, but she was actually quite active in her local Branch. Alan Woods even wrote an obituary. At first I didn't believe it because the cynic in me thought it was just Alan being an opportunist in the worst way possible, but I found this picture of her speaking at one of the IMT's local rallies.

(Edit, because of my noobie status I can't post the links, just google her name next to the acrynome "IMT")

Personally I'm disgusted how the media refuses to acknowledge this just because they fear that it might upset their cold war narrative. Now I'm not open about my political beliefs because I come from a catholic neighborhood, but personally I'm going to spread the word as far as I can. I'm going to make a photo and share it on facebook and I hope you will all join me.
Solidarity with Malala Yousafzai. The reason the Taliban spokesperson claims she is "pro-West" and pro-Obama is for much the same reason that some of the reactionary right in the US claim Obama is a secret muslim.

We've also had comrades murdered by the Taliban a few years ago. I really hope she makes it through.
Oh and here's the picture: http://www.marxist.com/images/stories/pakistan/SWAT_Marxist_school_Malala_Yousufzai.JPG

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Here's the image I made in her honor, I'm trying to spread it on facebook.

Would any of you mind doing the same to help me? I can't post if here but if you message me your email I can email you all

Oh and thanks for the remarks, solidarity!

[MarxSchmarx]

Here's the article the OP mentions:

http://www.marxist.com/imt-sympathiser-shot-in-swat.htm

Please note it's not an obituary; our comrade yet lives.

[Agathor]

I'm disgusted how the media refuses to acknowledge this just because they fear that it might upset their cold war narrative.

Who cares that she's a Trot? How is it relevant? And she's 14, for gods sake. How much time could she have spent thinking about politics? She'll probably believe completely different things in a decade.

None of you gave a fuck about her case until you found a picture of her lecturing the IMT.

[atom]

Solidarity to this brave comrade! Taliban are scum, not that it needs saying.

[atom]

And I want to also echo the comrades pointing out the cynicism of the mainstream media in not mentioning her political affilliation. Not that it is suprising of course.

[Aussie Trotskyist]

For a start, I'm going to caption the image and upload it to my FB account (and perhaps post it here for you guys to uses if you want).

Secondly, is it ironic she was assassinated on the same day as Che Gurevara. May be of some use for a future image.

Edit: Here is the image (sorry about the memebase tag):

http://builder.cheezburger.com/Builder/RenderPreview/431f7356-dcb6-4a8e-89cc-383ecb019a83

Another edit: She's not dead yet. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions without researching the topic first.

She is however, currently in a critical condition.

[International_Solidarity]

For a start, I'm going to caption the image and upload it to my FB account (and perhaps post it here for you guys to uses if you want).

I would really appreciate it if you post that here as well, this act is horrific and it absolutely disgusts me. I would very much like to utilize that image.

Malala Yousufzai's bravery will forever be an inspiration to me. If I ever feel afraid to promote the Socialist ideal, I will remember the fact that she, a 14 year old girl, was able to do it in the worst of conditions. Solidarity forever!

[Zealot]

That's quite interesting. I've been following this story on BBC News and not a single mention that she was a Socialist!

[Aussie Trotskyist]

That's quite interesting. I've been following this story on BBC News and not a single mention that she was a Socialist!

Firstly, Rocco, its up there now.

Secondly, I've turned up some sources claiming she was "Pro-West". Perhaps it may be worth our time to create an argument to back our points.

I think the bias of capitalist media (and its sources), the existence of the above image, and the statements made by socialist newspapers are a good start, but we may want a more water-tight argument.

[Rafiq]

Firstly, Rocco, its up there now.

Secondly, I've turned up some sources claiming she was "Pro-West". Perhaps it may be worth our time to create an argument to back our points.

I think the bias of capitalist media (and its sources), the existence of the above image, and the statements made by socialist newspapers are a good start, but we may want a more water-tight argument.

Well christ, all Leftists are pro west, our mode of thought is western and we originated from there. That doesn't mean we support bourgeois states

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[Tim Cornelis]

The reason she was shot was because she wanted women to be able to enjoy education, not because she was a Trotskyist or socialist. Hence media report that she fought for women's rights, but neglect to say she was a socialist since that is not relevant at all in this context. In any case, the evidence that she is indeed a revolutionary socialist is flimsy. For instance, in the Netherlands we've had moderates liberal ecologists and social-democrats speak at Marxism Festival but a photo of this does not prove their allegiance to Marxism.

This is not a conspiracy to silence socialism to death.


Who cares that she's a Trot? How is it relevant? And she's 14, for gods sake. How much time could she have spent thinking about politics? She'll probably believe completely different things in a decade.

None of you gave a fuck about her case until you found a picture of her lecturing the IMT.

I agree with your sentiment, although I do think many were appalled by the taliban specifically targeting a girl like this, and additionally the possibility of her being/having been a socialist adds another dimension. But in general, it shouldn't matter much whether she is a Trotskyist (which I doubt) or not.


Well christ, all Leftists are pro west, our mode of thought is western and we originated from there. That doesn't mean we support bourgeois states

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Being pro-West means one seeks to emulate 'the Western model', that is, liberal democracy and secular values. Being pro-West necessarily means you support bourgeois states (as long as the West consists of bourgeois states that is).

[black magick hustla]

i think its gross that alan woods and his sect followers capitalized on the tragedy of this poor child to talk about their dumb marxist school and how this child is a martyr for imt's socialism or whatever. fuck that pasty alan woods and his miserable attempts to seem relevant. if he cared about her instead of boilerplating his dumb 1960s trotskyist graveyard he should have talked more about her individual life and her struggles

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I agree with your sentiment, although I do think many were appalled by the taliban specifically targeting a girl like this, and additionally the possibility of her being/having been a socialist adds another dimension. But in general, it shouldn't matter much whether she is a Trotskyist (which I doubt) or not.

Did you not see the picture?

[Ocean Seal]

This is not a conspiracy to silence socialism to death.
Everything is a conspiracy to silence socialism.

[DaringMehring]

Was she a member or did she just speak at some event?

I know some Trot groups like to get liberal/activist/"movement" people to come guest speak to them, so... the picture doesn't prove anything to me, except that she was cool enough to speak to a commie meeting.

Also, that podium front piece is awesome.

[citizen of industry]

Interesting. Mass media where I'm at doesn't mention her at all, so her political affiliation isn't discussed or obscured. She just doesn't exist. Lots of stuff on parliament, business and weather though.

[thriller]

Who cares that she's a Trot? How is it relevant? And she's 14, for gods sake. How much time could she have spent thinking about politics? She'll probably believe completely different things in a decade.

None of you gave a fuck about her case until you found a picture of her lecturing the IMT.

I am not a Trot, but I care, because, as some have mentioned, keeping the struggle alive in such a reactionary place is harder than most of us know. Secondly, this is a THIRD time you have used age to discriminate against others intelligence. A teenage girl was seriously injured for her political beliefs, either say solidarity or GTFO. Or are you too old and senile to remember what topic you are typing about?

Solidarity with Malala Yousafzai.

[Crux]

Who cares that she's a Trot? How is it relevant? And she's 14, for gods sake. How much time could she have spent thinking about politics? She'll probably believe completely different things in a decade.

None of you gave a fuck about her case until you found a picture of her lecturing the IMT.
Speak for yourself.

[Geiseric]

Dude people on this forum are such assholes. I'm an asshole when it matters, but I don't get why you'd diss a girl who was shot by the fucking taliban. I'd rather have her around than most of the people here. She's getting involved in radical politics, in fucking Pakistan, at the age while most of us were busy complaining about high school, or reading fucking catcher in the rye. Seriously show some respect.

[Take The Long Way Home]

How ironically she already has a wikipedia page.

Hope that she will turn out ok.

[Agathor]

I am not a Trot, but I care, because, as some have mentioned, keeping the struggle alive in such a reactionary place is harder than most of us know. Secondly, this is a THIRD time you have used age to discriminate against others intelligence. A teenage girl was seriously injured for her political beliefs, either say solidarity or GTFO. Or are you too old and senile to remember what topic you are typing about?

Solidarity with Malala Yousafzai.

You are an absolute moron. For one thing I'm 21, which probably seems ancient to you but is really quite young. For another my point was that a fourteen year old isn't old enough to have put much serious thought into politics to be considered any sort of "ist". How many of you believe the same things you believed when you were fourteen about anything?

And my other point which you are too dense to grasp is that nobody on the left gave a fuck about this girl before it turned out she was a Trot.

I won't say 'solidarity' or GTFO you pompous twat.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Is the IMT the biggest Marxist movement in Pakistan? And was she an actual member, or just one who participated in activism alongside the IMT?

Anyhow, I think our thoughts and solidarity should go with her, but also with all of the other girls facing violent chauvinist misogyny from the Taliban and other Sunni extremist reactionaries in rural Pakistan/Afghanistan. Her activism is so particularly brave because of the social context she is in, which is one where women of all kinds are seen beings which should be denied all knowledge and personal autonomy.

[officer nugz]

I read an article about this girl a couple days ago, I did not know this girl was a trotskyist though. is trotskyism active in Pakistan? that would come as a big surprise to me, tbh.

her being a trotskyist does not make the shooting any more sad, btw. it is a very sad and unfortunate event regardless. I don't see the point in having "solidarity" with her because I'm not a member of her organization and haven't been a part of any of her struggles but it is awful when any young girl (or young person) is the victim of violence like this.


i think its gross that alan woods and his sect followers capitalized on the tragedy of this poor child to talk about their dumb marxist school and how this child is a martyr for imt's socialism or whatever. fuck that pasty alan woods and his miserable attempts to seem relevant. if he cared about her instead of boilerplating his dumb 1960s trotskyist graveyard he should have talked more about her individual life and her struggleseh, I don't agree. it makes sense because she was a member of the political organization and honestly I am sure it made her happy.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I guess doctors are saying she has about a 70% chance for survival. Really hope she is going to be ok. Pretty fascinating that she is so political at such a young age, and a Marxist to boot!

Yea she strikes me as a pretty rad person.

[Crux]

And my other point which you are too dense to grasp is that nobody on the left gave a fuck about this girl before it turned out she was a Trot.
Well again, this may true of yourself, but don't project that on the left. And for the record I know many people who got politically organized at 14-15 and are still active now. For someone as apparently bright and brave like Malala Yousafzai to become organized at 14 is not something you should use against her or ridicule. As matter of fact, regardless of whether she is a member of the IMT or not (I think Woods piece uses the term sympathiser), she is already politically active for education rights.

[Nihilist Scud Missile]

I like the quote from Marx in that picture, you know, the one that says the state can't be used to liberate workers. LOL

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I read an article about this girl a couple days ago, I did not know this girl was a trotskyist though. is trotskyism active in Pakistan? that would come as a big surprise to me, tbh.

Yea, the IMT is almost more active in Pakistan than it is in England. Although I disagree with their line, I will admit that they have done more work there than most other hard core ML groups have done internationally. I'd recommend you google Lal Khan or look at the International Marxist Tendencies home page since is generally one of the better sources of Marxist news on the internet, despite the fact that the writing style is a bit too over excited but I guess that's typical of the revolutionary left.

(Oh and by the way, I hope that we can leave a debate of the IMT's merits out of this thread, after all it is about honoring the death of a comrade, not disparaging the line of the Troskites)

[Rafiq]

Being pro-West means one seeks to emulate 'the Western model', that is, liberal democracy and secular values. Being pro-West necessarily means you support bourgeois states (as long as the West consists of bourgeois states that is).

In this regards, no, to be "pro-western" to the Taliban is to adhere to western customs and modes of thought.

[Raviolius1]

Well, it saddens me to see comrades get attacked, especially young ones. However, I do not mean to sound bad, but this kind of thing happens to us all over the world. Let this be a reminder that what we do and what we believe is dangerous. We need to stand together, and worry about "who's a Trot" later.

I hope see recovers, and gets back in the fight.

[Drosophila]

It should also be noted that being in the IMT or being a sympathizer of them doesn't make one a "Trotskyist." Same goes for most other parties out there. Most aren't hero worship cults.

[Crux]

Yea, the IMT is almost more active in Pakistan than it is in England. Although I disagree with their line, I will admit that they have done more work there than most other hard core ML groups have done internationally. I'd recommend you google Lal Khan or look at the International Marxist Tendencies home page since is generally one of the better sources of Marxist news on the internet, despite the fact that the writing style is a bit too over excited but I guess that's typical of the revolutionary left.

(Oh and by the way, I hope that we can leave a debate of the IMT's merits out of this thread, after all it is about honoring the death of a comrade, not disparaging the line of the Troskites)
She's died? Because last I heard she had fairly good chances.

[Yuppie Grinder]

D:
if she died it could make good propaganda in her own country but it could also be used by American Exceptionalist sorts as further justification for their white-man's-burden military occupations.
poor girl,

[#FF0000]

Fortunately she's still alive. Apparently she's able to move all her limbs now.

[hashem]

1- its foolish to think that a 14 year old child can be a Marxist.

2- IMT is a reactionary trend. it doesnt even supports bourgeoisie democratic reforms, let alone socialism. it even cooperates with fascist states by giving information about revolutionaries to them. so any member or supporter of IMT is fascist and reactionary (or a fool at best).

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

2- IMT is a reactionary trend. it doesnt even supports bourgeoisie democratic reforms, let alone socialism. it even cooperates with fascist states by giving information about revolutionaries to them. so any member or supporter of IMT is fascist and reactionary (or a fool at best).

I tend to agree but we shouldn't be slandering the name of a 14 year old girl. That would be just plain sick.

[#FF0000]

okay

[Lenina Rosenweg]

1- its foolish to think that a 14 year old child can be a Marxist.

2- IMT is a reactionary trend. it doesnt even supports bourgeoisie democratic reforms, let alone socialism. it even cooperates with fascist states by giving information about revolutionaries to them. so any member or supporter of IMT is fascist and reactionary (or a fool at best).

Bukharin joined the Bolshevik Party when he was 15. Also those are pretty dramatic assertions. TheI MT supports fascist states? Which ones? The Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco regimes are long gone.The Greek colonels regime collapsed before the IMT existed. The Latin American dictatorships had elements of fascism but I can't think of any instances where the IMT supported any of them, unlike Maoist China.Mao also supported the predecessors of the organisation that shot Malala.

Do you have any evidence that the IMT snitches or is this the good old Stalin School of Falsification?

Hey, I have severe criticisms of the IMT myself, mainly for their opportunism, but to make a blanket assertion that they support "fascist" states (presumably they've perfected the means of time travel) or snitch is another thing entirely.

Also, to debate whether Malala is or is not a Trotskyist in this way is a bit tacky.Why not respect her own ability to form her own political judgements? But I guess a 14 year old girl doesn't have the capacity to do this.It does seems likely that she was a strong sympathizer with the IMT. They have a significant presence (and I'm sure they are in great danger by doing so) presence in Pakistan.

[Igor]

1- its foolish to think that a 14 year old child can be a Marxist.

2- IMT is a reactionary trend. it doesnt even supports bourgeoisie democratic reforms, let alone socialism. it even cooperates with fascist states by giving information about revolutionaries to them. so any member or supporter of IMT is fascist and reactionary (or a fool at best).

guys why are you giving a shit about 14 year old she's too young to have political opinions and her organization collaborates with fascists anyways

fuck you

[Realzowi]

Let's all hope for a recovery!

This girl was not an official IMT member, but a sympathiser who attended the IMT School in Swat. If she is a real trotskyist, marxist, etc. is a useless and stupid discussion. What matters is that the reactionary Taliban shot a defenceless young girl who struggled for education rights for girls. Every progressive human being should condemn this, irrespective of whether she is a true socialist or not.

To use this shooting of a young girl to attack the IMT is very opportunist. If one wants to attack the IMT, use another thread for that. Especially Hashem's ridiculous remarks are offending in this thread, which is about the barbaric shooting of a young girl.

[Regicollis]

She's 14 and she is active in politics and braver and more confident than most adults. What did we do at that age? I know for my part that I did nothing useful. One can not avoid respecting her.

She should have had the peace prize instead of the EU.

[hashem]

Bukharin joined the Bolshevik Party when he was 15. Also those are pretty dramatic assertions. TheI MT supports fascist states? Which ones? The Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco regimes are long gone.The Greek colonels regime collapsed before the IMT existed. The Latin American dictatorships had elements of fascism but I can't think of any instances where the IMT supported any of them, unlike Maoist China.Mao also supported the predecessors of the organisation that shot Malala.

Do you have any evidence that the IMT snitches or is this the good old Stalin School of Falsification?

Hey, I have severe criticisms of the IMT myself, mainly for their opportunism, but to make a blanket assertion that they support "fascist" states (presumably they've perfected the means of time travel) or snitch is another thing entirely.

Also, to debate whether Malala is or is not a Trotskyist in this way is a bit tacky.Why not respect her own ability to form her own political judgements? But I guess a 14 year old girl doesn't have the capacity to do this.It does seems likely that she was a strong sympathizer with the IMT. They have a significant presence (and I'm sure they are in great danger by doing so) presence in Pakistan.

1- they are misusing children. they knew pakistan is not a safe country (it will never be safe under current regime) but they published a picture of a 14 year old child next to a poster of trotsky! bolsheviks never used 14-15 year old children as their legal front. a child can learn about socialism but he/she shouldnt be used for dangerous activities.

2- there are fascist regimes at the present time (Israel, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and ...) and there will be until capitalism exists, and IMT cooperates with them. sometimes directly by spying on revolutionaries and giving information about them to police, for example see this link:

http://www.marxist.com/iranian-workers-attack260905.htm

and sometimes indirectly by preaching legalism, diversion of marxism or pacification of potential revolutionaries, like what its doing in Pakistan.

3- im not going to discuss anything about statements like: "Mao also supported the predecessors of the organisation that shot Malala" because thats a foolish lie.

[hashem]

She's 14 and she is active in politics and braver and more confident than most adults. What did we do at that age? I know for my part that I did nothing useful. One can not avoid respecting her.

She should have had the peace prize instead of the EU.


during Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988) government of Iran used child soldiers who were younger than 14 years old for cleaning the minefields or as suicidal attackers. many children lost their lives during that reactionary and imperialistic war which people had no interest in it. there is no doubt that those child soldiers were brave and they thought they were doing the right think, but their blood became a tool in hands of fascist rulers.

she is brave and confident too but should she be misused by opportunist "leaders" who hide themselfs behind likes of her? opportunists are just misusing her for their own propaganda, otherwise there was no reason to take a picture of her next to a poster of trotsky in a country like Pakistan.

[Realzowi]

1- they are misusing children. they knew pakistan is not a safe country (it will never be safe under current regime) but they published a picture of a 14 year old child next to a poster of trotsky! bolsheviks never used 14-15 year old children as their legal front. a child can learn about socialism but he/she shouldnt be used for dangerous activities.

If you were a little bit interested in the case, you would have found out her education campaign for girls started already when she was 11. She was not 'misused by the fascist IMT' and therefore shot by the Taliban. Only the fact that she stood against them and for girls' education was enough for these reactionary bastards to shoot her. The Taliban never mentioned something about Marxism.
Next to that, the picture of her was released only after the shooting. So this is a non-argument.


2- there are fascist regimes at the present time (Israel, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and ...) and there will be until capitalism exists, and IMT cooperates with them. sometimes directly by spying on revolutionaries and giving information about them to police, for example see this link:


and sometimes indirectly by preaching legalism, diversion of marxism or pacification of potential revolutionaries, like what its doing in Pakistan.

Now quit it! Use another thread for your baseless accusations. You can disagree with the positions or tactics of the IMT, but never I have heard such ridiculous assertions that they cooperate with Israel, Iran, Indonesia, Turkey and Malaysia.

Myself, I disagree with some positions and tactics of other tendencies like CWI, IST and USFI, but I would never state they cooperate with 'fascist states'.

[hashem]

The Taliban never mentioned something about Marxism.
Next to that, the picture of her was released only after the shooting. So this is a non-argument.

the question is not about the date which picture was released, its about the fact that it is released!
there can be no other explanation for that picture except sectarian propaganda. why would anyone release that picture when they knew they are putting life of a child in danger? because life of that child is worthless for them, they will sacrifice her for their own interest.
also you dont need to wait for taliban to start hunting marxists. they have killed many true revolutionary marxists already. besides, taliban are not the only ones who kill marxists. Pakistan is full of Slavers, Feudal lords, corrupt police and military men and ... who kill people for reasons other than women education.


never I have heard such ridiculous assertions that they cooperate with Israel, Iran, Indonesia, Turkey and Malaysia.

Myself, I disagree with some positions and tactics of other tendencies like CWI, IST and USFI, but I would never state they cooperate with 'fascist states'.

they are cooperating. they admit it on their own site. what other proof do you need?!

[Drosophila]

lol, they wrote like one article on it and that's it. It's not some grand propaganda piece.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

the question is not about the date which picture was released, its about the fact that it is released!
there can be no other explanation for that picture except sectarian propaganda. why would anyone release that picture when they knew they are putting life of a child in danger? because life of that child is worthless for them, they will sacrifice her for their own interest.

Woah there, mate. Way to misconstrue, distort and dysphemise an organisation's viewpoints and interests. You are the kind of person that would really find strong application of your skills inside a church, what with twisting moral standards to fit your positions.

"Hohojohoohohoho! Listen up comrades! While smoking meth and reading some naughty Trotsky, I think I've come up with the perfect ploy! We'll send out a helpless, abused girl to forfront our cause, have her get shot and look all mortified and emotional about it! The public masses shall melt like butter into our outstretched hands! Soon, we shall gather all the nazistic despots of the proud Indo-fascist state and march on Australia with this newly vested reactionary zealotry! LONG LIVE TROTSKY, HUHUAHAUHAHAGARHARRAHGH"


also you dont need to wait for taliban to start hunting marxists. they have killed many true revolutionary marxists already. besides, taliban are not the only ones who kill marxists. Pakistan is full of Slavers, Feudal lords, corrupt police and military men and ... who kill people for reasons other than women education.What's this got to do with the conversation at all?



they are cooperating. they admit it on their own site. what other proof do you need?!
(Israel, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and ...)Profound. Simply profound.

And people can have have political views at almost any stage of their life (even at age thirteen), so you can piss off with your "14 year old girls would never be Marxists" standard-lowering nonsense.

[#FF0000]

yo

everyone shut up please.

[Rottenfruit]

Anybody who supports the taliban and other theocratic islamists are reactirony and yeah im looking at you third worldist scum,

Thankfully most muslims despise the taliban i never forget the muslim who told me a alot about the taliban and what i learned from him they are hypocriticals,and extremly violent primvtists,they ban medicine and any modren technology, they are against agriculture expect when they are growing poppys for heroin productuion to get some $$$ for themself, he joked and called them the amish muslims which is true
THey are technophobes,theocrats,privitisits,sexist,homophob es(they kill homosexuals)and they follow the extreme obscure philopsy of creating the world ummah.

THey are a mix of the privitism,
They preach even more extreme homophobia then the westboro baptist church preaches and unlike westboro baptist church they act on it by commiting brutal murders and tortures(belife me i have a collection of videos by taliban groups where they are beheading and torturing people, the daniel berg beheading was nothing compare to ofex and some of the shit released in the old ogrish site(holding a soldier down,shooting his fingers off one by one) Ogrish does not exmist anymore in its old format, in my edgy teen youth i collected videos from ogrish and there were auctions on tape made by the muhajidan on ogrish and it was legtime

For exmaple you seen unknown russian soldier beheading?

Yeah the guy who released unkown russian soldier and ofex.asf he was a member on the site and he was selling longer tapes for 1000s of bucks there,

one video he was selling went for 5 grands, it was a 2 hour rape and torture of a woman capture by the taliban where they ampute her limbs off and multitate her gentials, , and yeah this guy was legit, this was the guy who sold ogrish and other sites videos made by the taliban and the muhajidan
HE was the guy who released this stuff, IF you know what 0day means in warez, this was the 0day release guy for videos made by the taliban and the muhajiden, just to prove he was not fucking around he released a 60 minute video where a woman is stoned to death

By defintion this is not stuff because snuff is when the first party who makes the video of killing a person for profit, if a second party uses a video another person made its not snuff, they made these videos to scare people like drilling into skulls and putting drain cleaner in, but he never released more then short videos because alot of the people on that site before it was closed were willing to pay top dollar for that stuff

Apperently he got a hold on a bunkload of these videos of the mujahidan and taliban made, he released a 60 minute stoning video on the site as a teaser for his catalog

Sad he had a source and i was the youngest member on ogrishforum lol i was 14 back then.
Ogrish was the first site in english to release the danibel berg beheading for example thanks to him

I could try to dig up some of this shit but i wont be avibile to get most of it back, you think those guys care about killing kids? Hell no, one video al quida released they fucking beheaded 3 teens not older 15 and yeah i saw it

If theres a subject i know alot about , its disburting stuff, i have not been in it for years but ive noticed alot of older videos are gone and when you download them again its often shorter versions in lower quality.

[Comrade Samuel]

guys why are you giving a shit about 14 year old she's too young to have political opinions and her organization collaborates with fascists anyways

fuck you

Regardless of the girl's political views or how western media refuses to mention them you could at the very least try not to trivialize how a bunch of terrorists shot a child in the face for advocating women's rights.

[Caj]

Regardless of the girl's political views or how western media refuses to mention them you could at the very least try not to trivialize how a bunch of terrorists shot a child in the face for advocating women's rights.

I'm pretty sure Igor was being sarcastic and imitating some of the other people in this thread.

[Nihilist Scud Missile]

Regardless of the girl's political views or how western media refuses to mention them you could at the very least try not to trivialize how a bunch of terrorists shot a child in the face for advocating women's rights.

Terrorists. Here we go again operating within the pre built arena of ideas meant to frame the way in which we see and understand the world. I think reactionaries may be a better adjective. Ah fuck it. Words have no meaning around here.

How bout some terror?

http://libcom.org/library/lenins-terror-bolshevik-party-maximov

^ Terrorist.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

^ reactionary

[Igor]

Regardless of the girl's political views or how western media refuses to mention them you could at the very least try not to trivialize how a bunch of terrorists shot a child in the face for advocating women's rights.

see the post i quoted: it's an actual post trying to undermine this situation with jabs at IMT. my post was answer to that, i don't think the girl's affiliation with IMT has anything to do with anything, this would be a fucking tragedy even if she was a local equivalent of high school republicans.

[Luís Henrique]

Trotskyist or not trotskyist, solidarity with her - and unlimited repulse to this awful gang of far-right religious fanatics and murderers, the Taliban.

Luís Henrique

[Crux]

The EDL, such nice people... (http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/873-edl-turn-their-poison-on-14-year-old-anti-taliban-activist-malala-yousafzai)

[Crux]

update: http://abcnews.go.com/International/malala-yousufzai-tearful-family-reunion-british-hospital/story?id=17573418#.UIz6Amemk6i

[Beeth]

The EDL, such nice people... (http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/873-edl-turn-their-poison-on-14-year-old-anti-taliban-activist-malala-yousafzai)

EDL is made up of workers. Just saying...

Anyway, tragic news. Hope she gets better. Her efforts won't be in vain. Maybe today, ppl won't appreciate it, but after many, many decades it will have an effect.

[Let's Get Free]

While we're extending our solidarity to Malala, let's not forget about the 172 children killed by U.S. drones.

[Crux]

EDL is made up of workers. Just saying...

Anyway, tragic news. Hope she gets better. Her efforts won't be in vain. Maybe today, ppl won't appreciate it, but after many, many decades it will have an effect.

Yeah that Alan Lake, what a worker. I'm sure the taliban are made up of workers too. Your point? Oh and she is having an effect now. The nationwide outrage against the taliban is unprecedented.

[Beeth]

Yeah that Alan Lake, what a worker. I'm sure the taliban are made up of workers too. Your point? Oh and she is having an effect now. The nationwide outrage against the taliban is unprecedented.

Can you give me a percentage, like what % of them are workers, and % capitalists? Is 95% of edl workers? Or more, perhaps?

[Rottenfruit]

1- its foolish to think that a 14 year old child can be a Marxist.

2- IMT is a reactionary trend. it doesnt even supports bourgeoisie democratic reforms, let alone socialism. it even cooperates with fascist states by giving information about revolutionaries to them. so any member or supporter of IMT is fascist and reactionary (or a fool at best).


guys why are you giving a shit about 14 year old she's too young to have political opinions and her organization collaborates with fascists anyways

fuck you



And that makes it okay to shoot a 14 year old girl? :cursing:

[Crux]

Bear in mind that hashem is a quite unsympstjetic individual over all. The "collaboration" he alleges is that they outed him after seeing him act like an agent provocateur and saboteur. Now, sadly, not all who behave in this manner are being paid off to do so beyond how he behaves I'm not going to make any such accusations. But of course he couldnt care less about if some young sympathizer of the IMT gets shot in the head. In fact the manner in which he has been speaking about trotdkyism suggest he's probably applauding it. Oh and igor was just being sarcastic.

[Robespierres Neck]

That's quite interesting. I've been following this story on BBC News and not a single mention that she was a Socialist!

Same here, not one of the articles I've read mentioned that (they did say she was an advocate for women's rights though). Despite how I feel about Trotskyism, I find that really refreshing. I hope she pulls through, no one this young deserves to die.

[Pelarys]

And that makes it okay to shoot a 14 year old girl? :cursing:

You realize that Igor was actually criticizing hashem for his dogmatic views by "satirizing" (it's hard to use this word when the message is highly questionable up from the start) his message, right?


Anyway the debate on this thread is pretty meaningless. She's a politically active and apparently invested 14 years old who has been advocating rights looked down upon by the talibans, that then proceeded to shoot her. Surely that's enough to earn our respect.
That she was "too young" to have well thought "communist views" (:rolleyes:) according to certain people, is at best irrelevant and highly questionable.

Hope she gets well.

[hashem]

And that makes it okay to shoot a 14 year old girl? :cursing:

nobody said its okay to shoot a 14 year old girl.

but its not okay to misuse children as a legal front for opportunists. Pakistani Trotskyists risked her life and were willing to sacrifice her for their own sect.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

nobody said its okay to shoot a 14 year old girl.

but its not okay to misuse children as a legal front for opportunists. Pakistani Trotskyists risked her life and were willing to sacrifice her for their own sect.

You are making baseless assertions and parading them as fact. You are also taking the extremely ignorant belief that she had no say in the matter for said demonstrations. Seriously, why would she even make a speech for women's rights if she was being forced into it? This is a disgusting use of a horrible and saddening incident to sling shit at a political adversary of yours; as far as I'm concerned, that's pretty fucking low to all groups involved.

[hashem]

The "collaboration" he alleges is that they outed him after seeing him act like an agent provocateur and saboteur

i dont know meaning of the word "outed" (maybe its attempt to murder) but The "collaboration" which i mentioned is about giving names of opposition activists to a fascist government.

[ind_com]

Sect war in this thread is very shameful.

[Crux]

nobody said its okay to shoot a 14 year old girl.

but its not okay to misuse children as a legal front for opportunists. Pakistani Trotskyists risked her life and were willing to sacrifice her for their own sect.
Even if she sympathizes with "fascists"/trotskyists? How charitable of you. Of course that brings me to your second "point".
You are obviously not aware of who Malala Yousafzai is if you think her possible connection with the IMT would be the full description of her political activity or why the taliban are after her. That you try to put this crime of the taliban on the IMT further shows you for the ultra-secterian you are. I have no reason to find your allegations even remotely believable. Even less so seeing how you treat historical facts and your political outlook in general.

Ind_com: I posted an update on her health, she has amazingly not sustained any serious braindamage and is talking. Hashem is an ultra-secterian, if he didn't reagrd Malala Yousafzai to be unable to hold any political opinions he would regard her as a fascist and a reactionary.

[Drosophila]

nobody said its okay to shoot a 14 year old girl.

but its not okay to misuse children as a legal front for opportunists. Pakistani Trotskyists risked her life and were willing to sacrifice her for their own sect.


Can someone ban this troll already?

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

[Crux]

Can someone ban this troll already?

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

See, I suspect he is not actually a troll but a genuine ultrasecterian.

[Luís Henrique]

Alive and well.

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-04-pakistans-malala-discharged-from-british-hospital

On the other hand, I have no news on her attempted murderers. I know six guys have been arrested, but, of course, the heads behind the crime are not among them.

Other seven teachers have been murdered (http://www.ibtimes.com/malala-discharged-uk-hospital-while-murders-educators-pakistan-continue-993768) this year (and yes, I mean 2013).

Luís Henrique

[RedSonRising]

Heard she was released, so glad.

[hetz]

All the best wishes to Malala and I hope she will continue fighting for justice.

[Pelarys]

Hope she gets well and continues to fight the good fight. She's obviously a very courageous girl.

[Goblin]

Shes up for the Peace Prize

http://dawn.com/2013/02/01/malala-up-for-nobel-peace-prize/

[Mather]

I'm glad to hear that Malala seems to be recovering.

Hope she gets well soon.

[Realzowi]

Through a Pakistani IMT comrade in Birmingham, Malala Yousafzai has sent a message to the Congress of the Pakistani section of IMT:

“First of all I’d like to thank The Struggle and the IMT for giving me a chance to speak last year at their Summer Marxist School in Swat and also for introducing me to Marxism and Socialism. I just want to say that in terms of education, as well as other problems in Pakistan, it is high time that we did something to tackle them ourselves. It’s important to take the initiative. We cannot wait around for any one else to come and do it. Why are we waiting for someone else to come and fix things? Why aren’t we doing it ourselves?

“I would like to send my heartfelt greetings to the congress. I am convinced Socialism is the only answer and I urge all comrades to take this struggle to a victorious conclusion. Only this will free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation.”


This is very good news! Of course, I am a member of the IMT so I find it an honour she sends a message to one of our congresses. But only the fact that a young, famous and brave person is a marxist is already very good news for our cause.
Not so good news is that 'official' sources always omit this information. Initially there was a mentioning on the Wikipedia page of Malala, but then a week after the attempt of her life, the page was suddenly flooded with an extensive biography, and the marxist link was deleted as 'rumour'.