México

[Domino]

Nomás curioseando, ¿quien aquí es mexicano?, ¿de que parte de México son?

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

No, soy de PR.

Tu eres de Mexico verdad, de que parte?



--Paz

[FatFreeMilk]

Yo soy mexicana pero naci en Long Beach, Ca. Mi padre es de Mexicali, Baja California y mi mama es de Guadalajara, Jalisco. Or some small village near there with lots of t's that is hard to pronounce. Voy a B.C. cada mes y en realidad, este semana que viene voy a ir a Mexico con mi gringa amiga :D

Did you guys understand me? I had to pull out my handy dandy Larousse Spanish/English dictionary for this post :D lol, what a loser huh. Some day I'll post in all spanish k :)

[Domino]

Yo soy del D.F. (Ciudad de México) ;)

FatFreeMilk, I understood perfectly! :blink: Would never guess you used a bit of Larousse :lol: Cuando vengas al D.F. avisame! :-D

[RED CHARO]

Que buena onda, una chilanga!! :P
Me nacio y crecio en mexico, en Copilco (en el cenote azul, y lo conoces, por la UNAM) y despues en la candelaria............
El anjo pasado estube viviendo en cuidad neza (en mi vacasion adonde hacio un redondo de mexico), -pero soy un austrliano , y mi espanjol me falta a veces...........
Pregunta: eres un ultra?

[Domino]

¡Guevarista y Zapatista de hueso colorado! :P

¿Entonces también eres de Chilangolandia? Ah... espera, ya entendí... eres Australiano. ¡Chido! Yes, I know Neza and the UNAM, of course! I live in Coyoacán. Your spanish isn't that bad! ;)

[left for dead]

Hace tiempo que no e visitado este forum, pero vi que implementaron un nuevo forum para hispanohablantes? Bueno, naci en Los Mochis, Sinaloa, pero emigre a Los Angeles, California desde una temprana edad. Mi español no es tan malo que digamos, pero tampoco es como lo desearia. Nomas queria saludar a gente de Mexico con la que me puedo relacionar politicamente. :)

[Domino]

¡Hola! Pues en realidad parece que no hay tantos Mexicanos como yo pensaba, pero ps ya que.

¡Viva los Mochis! ;)

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 10:56 PM
Yo soy mexicana pero naci en Long Beach, Ca. Mi padre es de Mexicali, Baja California y mi mama es de Guadalajara, Jalisco. Or some small village near there with lots of t's that is hard to pronounce. Voy a B.C. cada mes y en realidad, este semana que viene voy a ir a Mexico con mi gringa amiga :D

Did you guys understand me? I had to pull out my handy dandy Larousse Spanish/English dictionary for this post :D lol, what a loser huh. Some day I'll post in all spanish k :)
Soy Puertoriqueno pero mi castellano es muy terrible' tambien. Deseo mejorar pero no se cómo

I hope that made sense, I suck.

[Domino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 04:08 AM
I hope that made sense, I suck.
:lol: Don't worry, I think that was pretty good. You can use this little forum to practice your spanish.

[SonofRage]

I could use the help, regaining this part of my culture is one of my goals for the coming year. I somehow managed to get As in college level Spanish courses but forget everything months later.

[left for dead]

I think most Mexicans are busy watching "Big Brother VIP" or their favorite telenovela, one reason I believe they're not politcally involved. I mean, if I was living in Mexico I probably would not have got involved in politics. What I have noticed during my visits, is that there's a distinct gap between upper class and lower class, and sadly the low teenage class is content indulging themselves in TV soap operas and getting intoxicated, while the educated upper teenage populous are busy crusing in their Lobos or Silverados with ear-popping stereo systems(and attend wealthy private schools), at least in Los Mochis, since its economy mainly relies on agriculture(and in the drug business. Sinaloa, as you may know, is the center of the Mexican drug trade, for its opium and marihuana production.) What I've also noticed is that they(the lower class) are conscious of the fact that they are being screwed over by the government, but have a defeatist outlook. One example is that while I was over there, there were elections being held, and I asked my aunt who she was going to vote for, she responded, "Por el PRI, pues de todas maneras nos van a chingar." And another incident when a friend, who recently had turned 18 said, "Voy a ir a votar, no ahi nada que hacer."

This is an obvious generalization from what I've witnessed, and I have only read about Mexican government superficially, so I'd love to hear other people's insight into Mexican citizens and their struggle against a government that's screwing them over.

[Domino]

Good post mate, it's true. I'm 100% Mexican, I live in Mexico City. People don't believe in the government anymore and they don't give a crap. It's different here than in the other states of the country, but it's similar to what you describe. The last time, 60% of the population didn't vote, which means two things.

1) They don't give a crap anymore.
2) They've realized that they don't need the government to live.

However, Mexico is a very political country. Che is a great hero here, especially for the alumns of the UNAM and Politecnico. We have the Zapatista movement, which most middle class people supports. The lower and high class don't care about it. The lower class cause they don't know enough and the higher class cause it's not convenient for them.

Mexico is living a revolution without using a single bullet. A cultural revolution in which, everyone does what they want and nobody will say a thing. You can mock the government, you can vote for Cantinflas for president. You can say what you want... I have some friends who sell all sort of commie stuff, from t-shirts to books, everything... they are close by my house which is in Coyoacán, the place where most artists and left winged people lives. They are free to sell and spread leftist propaganda and the government doesn't care. We live in a free country... even though we are fucked up. But we've been fucked up for SO many years that the people doesn't believe things will change. This is were the revolution comes in. The people that wants things to change, the leftists. I know we are many. The Zapatistas already have a movement, which every leftist (myself included) is involved, even if it's in a very small way. There problem is, it will make 10 years (January 1st) of the public start of the movement. 10 years that everything changed and everything is the same.

There is no hope for us maybe? Maybe there is. I see the Zapatistas as hope. I see the people tired of the government looking desperately for someone to change things (main reason why the PAN won for the first time after 71 years of the PRI ruling). I see people trying to change things in their own way. I see people taking care of themselves cause you can't trust the police (they are the ones that rob you).

But it stops there.

We have what we need to change all the crap around us. Call it faith, call it hope, call it dreaming of a better Mexico. But there is no motivation. Because after so many years of being ruled by thiefs and killers, nobody thinks they'll ever make a difference. And that has to change, starting from the education. Some schools teach the kids that the Zapatistas are terrorists. This has to stop. We have to educate the kids, we have to educate the people and then Mexico can talk about changing things and making of this country a better place.

Most of Mexico's population is lower class. We are more than the burguesy. Sometimes I think it would be so easy to beat them. We have the power, not them. And yet, they control everything. The government washes their hands off privatizing (sp?) all the government services that they should be taking care of! It's like a chain... there is hope, but the government does nothing, the burguesy owns everything, the Zapatistas are ignored, the people trusts in a new government... and that new government turns out to be as bad or worse than the last one, and the cycle starts all over again.

I hate being pessimistic (sp?) but it's like we are in a black hole and the light is so far, far away. Are we going to be able to reach it? I don't know. So many things have to change. Where would you start? What would you do? Who do you trust? Who is going to take the first step?

It's hard living in this country. I adore my country, there's no doubt about it, but Mexico is like Frida Kahlo, it's body is broken, but it's got the biggest spirit.

[left for dead]

Isn't el PAN considered the conservative party in Mexico? As far as I know Vicente Fox hasn't really done much better than past presidents. He said in his campaign that he could resolve the Zapatista conflict in 15 minutes, which was total bullshit on his part. He was also Coca Cola's CEO(or president?). He said he was going to manage government like a business, and he has raised taxes I believe (most of the population in Mexico doesn't even pay taxes. My cousin had a business and he was doing some 'tranzas' in order to not pay taxes. I think Mexico's society basically functions on a 'compadre' or 'comadre' system, where if you know the right people you instantly make them your compadres that way you can have palancas.)

There's also a lot of racism, and some of it has filtered into the language, like the word "indio" is used in a derogatory maner.

Anywho, it is a long struggle, and I hope we can win some more ground sometime soon...

[Domino]

That's pretty much true. Except not everyone is racist.


Anywho, it is a long struggle, and I hope we can win some more ground sometime soon

That's what I hope too, comrade.

[Y2A]

Yo creo que soy el unico Peruano achi. :)

[FistFullOfSteel]

Soy el unico que hace Sueco y America Del Sur sangre achi yo creo :P

[Guerry]

Hola a todos!

Yo soy mexicano y vivo en Monterrey, una ciudad al norte del país.

Un fuerte abrazo a mis paisanos y los compas de todos los países que postean en este foro.


Vida, salud y Tequila!

[left for dead]

jeje, un regiomontano :)

por cierto, tengo familiares en moterrey, son dueños de bodegas de papa o algo asi...



y monterrey tiene un monopolio en el rock mexicano!

[calderon]

Yo también soy mexicano. ¿De dónde? de Guanajuato, ¡cuna de la independencia!

[left for dead]

Bienvenido calderon!

Que noticias nos traes de las momias! :)

[calderon]

Sabes que aunque soy de Guanajuato nunca he estado en la CIUDAD de Guanajuato. Las momias las he visto únicamente en libros y fotografías.

Gracias por la bienvenida.

Visiten este sitio, espero que les guste: Molotov (http://www.molotov.com.mx)

[left for dead]

jeje, e sido fan de molotov desde su primer album =)

mi cancion favorita es "parasito"

[革命者]

?Creo que soy el unico de Holanda achi, no?

[calderon]

es probable que seas el único de Holanda pero bienvenido a este foro de todas maneras. Aquí todos somos del planeta Tierra. ¿De qué parte de Holanda?

[Dsunsetlover]

pues...yo naci en Santa Ana California....pero mis Mi mama y papa son de Guadalajara , Jalisco.. ;) :D :P Hola Calderon asi que nunca has visto las momias? yo si cuando tenia como 7. Y todavia tengo pesadillas :unsure: ha ha ha

[Cheech06]

VIVA MEXICo!!! vivo in texas, pero soy mexicano como cual quier otro. Cada vez que voy a mexico vengo enojado porque miro pura pobresa. Dinero a mi no me importa, pero que nomas que viva la gente feliz, porque la viva es muy corta. No me a pudido enterar de la politica de mexico, pero se saben de un website de eso, avisa me. Voy a hacer algo para me pais y para me gente. Hasta luego hermanos. Y algo mas, dime que te parese el comunismo. Adios

[Dsunsetlover]

si! tenemos que hacer algo! y pronto no podemos dejar que esto siga!..... :) :angry: :D :P

[afiCHEonado]

Hola yo tambien soy mexicano naci en Coahuila. Nos vemos companeros de america latina.

[Rocha]

Hey, un Tijuanense aqui, aunque naci en San Diego, CA.

No esperaba encontrar a tantos Mexicanos en el foro.

[MR. Funky DOO DOO]

Soy puro Mexicano pero naci en Los Angeles. Mi padre es de Chihuawa y mi jefita es de Nayarid. No me gusto Chihuawa ni Nayarid. Pero si me gusta Puerto Vallarta y Encenada o sur de Tijuana! Algun dia visitare a Monterrey para ver si puedo encontrar el Celso Pina o el gran silencio por ahi fumando mota! hahahaha! Adios camarones!

[Yardie's Capo]

Tetelives* Estoy de acuerdo contigo...El pueblo mexicano ya no cree en el gobierno ya que el gobierno nos a robado, mentido y jodido tanto que la verdad la gente ya no cree que esto vaya a cambiar aunque cambiemos de gobernantes o partidos....yo soy y vivo en Mexicali, Baja California.... es el primer estado del país donde se eligio y se sigue eligiendo al PAN como gobernante y la verdad yo creo que si hubo un cambio y para bien

Left For Death* Talvez Vicente Fox no a hecho muchos cambios en el país....pero en realidad es dificil y es un proceso largo cambiar al país despues de 71 años de un gobierno que nos robo, engaño etc..etc..[PRI] aunque es obvio que hubo presidentes que en realidad no hicieron un daño al país como Zedillo, que en realidad no fue un mal gobernate pero tampoco fue uno bueno.....yo espero que para la siguientes elecciones se escoja de nuevo al PAN

Left For Death* Maybey Vicente Fox hasn't make a lot of changes to the country....but it's difficult and a large procces to make a progress after 71 years of a goverment that stoled, cheated, and lies us etc....etc....[PRI] There were presidents that didn't made a damage to the country...like Zedillo.. that he really wasn't a bad president......I hope that once again....PAN is choosed for presidence

[RED CHARO]

Lo voy a decir esto en Ingles, porque esta mas facil por mi;
The PAN are nothing but the US right wing lackes in Mexico!
When in the election prior to Fox's victory, the PRD won , there was a misterious computer failure, leading to Cardenas defeat........... The US and Mexican authorites would never let the center left win in Mexico, as it wouldn't in any Latin American country unless they where ready to submit to US and the millioneres free trade submissions!
No one defends the PRI, as Cardenas agread that 'the most important thing was to beat the PRI', but to praise Fox after he has destroyed any left wing foot holds left in Mexico ,which have been building up- such as the instutions and land claims, and being openely supportive of the suppresive measures on the poor's future, due to NAFTA!- so much for the fight against poverty....
The PRD employed my entire family at a decent wage, compared to Fox's ideal (going back to his Coca Cola past) of employment at minumim wage levels.
When in Mexico I dread to hear the voice of Foxistas such as your self :angry:

[Umoja]

*Canta la cancion "Hecho en Mexico" por Kinto Sol*

...Verde, Blanco, Rojo ese es mi color...

[bluerev002]

Soy mexicano, naci en Culiacan, Sinaloa pero vivo en California por lo mientras.

ah, por si acaso, no es que estemos concentrados en las telenovelas, pero es que si salimos a protestar nos meten una pinche bala o, como le paso a unos amigos de mi padre, les meten los pies en cuvetas de cemento y cuando se seca los avientan al mar.

chingao pues, quien va a salir a protestar con esa chingadera

[Yardie's Capo]

:lol: muy cierto :lol:

[bluerev002]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 7 2004, 07:01 AM
Lo voy a decir esto en Ingles, porque esta mas facil por mi;
The PAN are nothing but the US right wing lackes in Mexico!
When in the election prior to Fox's victory, the PRD won , there was a misterious computer failure, leading to Cardenas defeat........... The US and Mexican authorites would never let the center left win in Mexico, as it wouldn't in any Latin American country unless they where ready to submit to US and the millioneres free trade submissions!
No one defends the PRI, as Cardenas agread that 'the most important thing was to beat the PRI', but to praise Fox after he has destroyed any left wing foot holds left in Mexico ,which have been building up- such as the instutions and land claims, and being openely supportive of the suppresive measures on the poor's future, due to NAFTA!- so much for the fight against poverty....
The PRD employed my entire family at a decent wage, compared to Fox's ideal (going back to his Coca Cola past) of employment at minumim wage levels.
When in Mexico I dread to hear the voice of Foxistas such as your self :angry:
El PAN alomejor es, como tu dices, "lackeys" para el gobierno delos United pero la faya de computadoras no fue porque los Estados Unidos pensaron que ivan a mejorar su position de poder.

Por lo que entiendo, si era que el PRI ganaria una ves mas la population Mexicana no lo iva a permitir y una revolution erruptaria por seguro. Y los gringos sabian eso. Asi que la presidencia se fue al PAN.

O, y otra cosa. Los Estados Unidos si dejaria que ganria el PRI. Los an estado ayudando a robar las electiones mor mucho tiempo.


Yardies Capo* Entiendo muy bien que es un largo porcesso para aser cambios, pero es un processo que Vicente Fox no esta nomando.

[RED CHARO]

bluerev002, esta claro que no me intendiste 100%,
Te dices que no fui EEUU, (pero te digo que fui las authoridades mexicana y EEUU] que dejo el PRI ganna con la falta de las computadoras, pero dices que EEUU dejo el PRI gana por los ultimos 71 anos ....... y que te diga esto???-

Que paso esta noche cuando Cardenas estube viendo a sus supportores en el Zocalo esperando la victoria, y Cardenas digo a regresa a sus casas. Por esto no estube una revoluation esta vez.

Quien no pueded decir que el PRD probalmente fui a ganar las ultimas electiones, pero los amigos de los curruptos estube esperando por una victoria de la derecha y no la izquerda. Creo que sabes que Mexico tiene una gran historia con los moviemontos de los campesionos en mexico, esto dan miedo a los millionarios!

No nunca digo nada que dice el PRI no fui corrupto ! :blink:

[bluerev002]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 21 2004, 04:05 AM
bluerev002, esta claro que no me intendiste 100%,
Te dices que no fui EEUU, (pero te digo que fui las authoridades mexicana y EEUU] que dejo el PRI ganna con la falta de las computadoras, pero dices que EEUU dejo el PRI gana por los ultimos 71 anos ....... y que te diga esto???-

Que paso esta noche cuando Cardenas estube viendo a sus supportores en el Zocalo esperando la victoria, y Cardenas digo a regresa a sus casas. Por esto no estube una revoluation esta vez.

Quien no pueded decir que el PRD probalmente fui a ganar las ultimas electiones, pero los amigos de los curruptos estube esperando por una victoria de la derecha y no la izquerda. Creo que sabes que Mexico tiene una gran historia con los moviemontos de los campesionos en mexico, esto dan miedo a los millionarios!

No nunca digo nada que dice el PRI no fui corrupto ! :blink:
La pura neta es que no te entendi ni madre cabron... pero...

...seeing as spanish is a bit too dificult for you, like you said.

Alright from what I understood you accused me of saying that the US didnt let the PRI win? But I said that the US has been letting the PRI win for many many years.

The goverment under PRI control was one of the most corrupt ever in the history of mexico. The people of Mexico were begining to see that and so the elections this time went to PAN, in order to avoid a revolution.

[RED CHARO]

Oh well,
At least we can agree on one thing-

'VETE ALA VERGA FOXX'- y
'VIVA LA REVOLUCION CULEROS'

[bluerev002]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 23 2004, 06:36 AM
Oh well,
At least we can agree on one thing-

'VETE ALA VERGA FOXX'- y
'VIVA LA REVOLUCION CULEROS'
Jaja, eso si que esta de poca madre!!

viva mexico cabrones!