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Le Socialiste
29th September 2012, 01:16
Greek police send crime victims to neo-Nazi 'protectors'
Far-right Golden Dawn party filling vacuum for those neglected by state after MPs elected to fight 'immigrant scum'

Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party is increasingly assuming the role of law enforcement officers on the streets of the bankrupt country, with mounting evidence that Athenians are being openly directed by police to seek help from the neo-Nazi group, analysts, activists and lawyers say.

In return, a growing number of Greek crime victims have come to see the party, whose symbol bears an uncanny resemblance to the swastika, as a "protector".

One victim of crime, an eloquent US-trained civil servant, told the Guardian of her family's shock at being referred to the party when her mother recently called the police following an incident involving Albanian immigrants in their downtown apartment block.

"They immediately said if it's an issue with immigrants go to Golden Dawn," said the 38-year-old, who fearing for her job and safety, spoke only on condition of anonymity. "We don't condone Golden Dawn but there is an acute social problem that has come with the breakdown of feeling of security among lower and middle class people in the urban centre," she told the Guardian. "If the police and official mechanism can't deliver and there is no recourse to justice, then you have to turn to other maverick solutions."

Other Greeks with similar experiences said the far-rightists, catapulted into parliament on a ticket of tackling "immigrant scum" were simply doing the job of a defunct state that had left a growing number feeling overwhelmed by a "sense of powerlessness". "Nature hates vacuums and Golden Dawn is just filling a vacuum that no other party is addressing," one woman lamented. "It gives 'little people' a sense that they can survive, that they are safe in their own homes."

Far from being tamed, parliamentary legitimacy appears only to have emboldened the extremists. In recent weeks racially-motivated attacks have proliferated. Immigrants have spoken of their fear of roaming the streets at night following a spate of attacks by black-clad men on motorbikes. Street vendors from Africa and Asia have also been targeted.

"For a lot of people in poorer neighbourhoods we are liberators," crowed Yiannis Lagos, one of 18 MPs from the stridently patriot "popular nationalist movement" to enter the 300-seat house in June. "The state does nothing," he told a TV chat show, adding that Golden Dawn was the only party that was helping Greeks, hit by record levels of poverty and unemployment, on the ground. Through an expansive social outreach programme, which also includes providing services to the elderly in crime-ridden areas, the group regularly distributes food and clothes parcels to the needy.

But the hand-outs come at a price: allegiance to Golden Dawn. "A friend who was being seriously harassed by her husband and was referred to the party by the police very soon found herself giving it clothes and food in return," said a Greek teacher, who, citing the worsening environment enveloping the country, again spoke only on condition of anonymity. "She's a liberal and certainly no racist and is disgusted by what she has had to do."

The strategy, however, appears to be paying off. On the back of widespread anger over biting austerity measures that have also hit the poorest hardest, the popularity of the far-rightists has grown dramatically with polls indicating a surge in support for the party.

One survey last week showed a near doubling in the number of people voicing "positive opinions" about Golden Dawn, up from 12% in May to 22%. The popularity of Nikos Michaloliakos, the party's rabble-rousing leader had shot up by 8 points, much more than any other party leader.

Paschos Mandravelis, a prominent political analyst, attributed the rise in part to the symbiotic relationship between the police and Golden Dawn. "Greeks haven't turned extremist overnight. A lot of the party's backing comes from the police, young recruits who are a-political and know nothing about the Nazis or Hitler," he said. "For them, Golden Dawn supporters are their only allies on the frontline when there are clashes between riot police and leftists."

Riding the wave, the party has taken steps to set up branches among diaspora Greek communities abroad, opening an office in New York last week. Others are expected to open in Australia and Canada. Cadres say they are seeing particular momentum in support from women.

With Greeks becoming ever more radicalised, the conservative-led government has also clamped down on illegal immigration, detaining thousands in camps and increasing patrols along the country's land and sea frontier with Turkey.

But in an environment of ever increasing hate speech and mounting tensions, the party's heavy-handedness is also causing divisions. A threat by Golden Dawn to conduct raids against vendors attending an annual fair in the town of Arta this weekend has caused uproar.

"They say they have received complaints about immigrant vendors from shop owners here but that is simply untrue," said socialist mayor Yiannis Papalexis. "Extra police have been sent down from Athens and if they come they will be met by leftists who have said they will beat them up with clubs. I worry for the stability of my country."

Seated in her office beneath the Acropolis, Anna Diamantopoulou, a former EU commissioner, shakes her head in disbelief. Despair, she says, has brought Greece to a dangerous place.

"I never imagined that something like Golden Dawn would happen here, that Greeks could vote for such people," she sighed. "This policy they have of giving food only to the Greeks and blood only to the Greeks. The whole package is terrifying. This is a party based on hate of 'the other'. Now 'the other' is immigrants, but who will 'the other' be tomorrow?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/28/greek-police-victims-neo-nazi

The Douche
29th September 2012, 01:23
Lets remember, that in a big way, golden dawn are the police (over 50% of riot police voted for GD). This is a way for the police to carry out what they want (attack radicals and immigrants) with impunity. "The police did not commit those crimes, GD did", and then the police (the culprits of the crime in the first place) will of course not be able to solve any following investigation.


Things are about to get really hairy in Greece. And all Greek comrades on here should know that this community is standing behind you, and we will provide you all the help we can if you need it.

Mather
29th September 2012, 03:54
It's really disturbing to see how close the Golden Dawn are with the police, though this should come as no surprise.

Do the Golden Dawn have the same amount of support and influence within the Greek military, either at the soldier or officer level?

RedSonRising
29th September 2012, 04:07
Yes, disturbing news.

CryingWolf
29th September 2012, 05:31
:mad: *sigh* What the hell...

ВАЛТЕР
29th September 2012, 09:28
They're like the Brown shirts. :/

The situation is getting dire in Greece. This is extremely worrisome, but I can't help but think that this is only the beginning of something far worse. The left needs to get its act together and fight these bastards at every turn.

Danielle Ni Dhighe
29th September 2012, 10:30
Fascism is capitalism under crisis, and this is yet another example of that.

ВАЛТЕР
29th September 2012, 10:44
Fascism is capitalism under crisis, and this is yet another example of that.

This.

Yet for some reason I am still shocked when things like this happen. I expect there to be polarization in society as the crisis deepens, but I still get kind of surprised when it becomes so obvious. I am just wondering where the radical left is during all of this. The situation is worrying.

agnixie
29th September 2012, 14:19
"No platform" is not sufficient.

And yeah, decaying capitalism will breed this all over.

Philosophos
29th September 2012, 15:39
It's really disturbing to see how close the Golden Dawn are with the police, though this should come as no surprise.

Do the Golden Dawn have the same amount of support and influence within the Greek military, either at the soldier or officer level?

From what I know the greek army has nothing to do with fascism or nazis. They are really proud of being greeks and they will do anything to support the greek people. They have some radicals but the rest of them are really attached to their country and not GD which represents a false country image.

Also rumors are sprending that GD has lots of supporters in the army but I don't know if these rumors are real or trollish talk.

MaximMK
29th September 2012, 15:53
Also rumors are sprending that GD has lots of supporters in the army but I don't know if these rumors are real or trollish talk.

I know that once on a greek military parade some soldiers were shouting nationalist stuff against macedonians. Just sayin there are a few nationalists everywhere.

Robocommie
29th September 2012, 18:10
I know it's not the same as material support, but I'd like to express solidarity with all our Greek comrades.

cynicles
29th September 2012, 20:13
"I never imagined that something like Golden Dawn would happen here, that Greeks could vote for such people," she sighed. "This policy they have of giving food only to the Greeks and blood only to the Greeks. The whole package is terrifying. This is a party based on hate of 'the other'. Now 'the other' is immigrants, but who will 'the other' be tomorrow?"


What's that old saying about "First they came for the communists"?

MaximMK
30th September 2012, 01:26
Macedonian student was killed today by golden dawn members. http://grid.mk/read/news/85744522/943405/pochina-makedonskiot-student-koj-beshe-pretepan-vo-grcija

Flying Purple People Eater
30th September 2012, 01:46
What's that old saying about "First they came for the communists"?

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out for I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out for I was not a jew.

Finally, they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

MaximMK
30th September 2012, 01:52
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out for I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out for I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out for I was not a jew.

Finally, they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Thats the american version. The original is:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Agathor
30th September 2012, 02:25
How have Syriza been doing? I assumed they were guaranteed power at the next election.

Grenzer
30th September 2012, 02:37
How have Syriza been doing? I assumed they were guaranteed power at the next election.

Who gives a shit about Syriza? They're just another prop of the ruling class, just as the SPD was in pre-Nazi Germany. Greek social-democracy has already bankrupted itself so the next step at crisis control after that is fascism. The bourgeoisie felt it needed a more heavy handed solution than the already tried and failed likes of the Pasok and Syriza(which is just a beefed up version of Pasok in terms of its advocacy of the welfare state).

Ostrinski
30th September 2012, 03:04
Death to GD. They need to be swept off the streets.

Philosophos
30th September 2012, 15:48
I know that once on a greek military parade some soldiers were shouting nationalist stuff against macedonians. Just sayin there are a few nationalists everywhere.

They are nationalists yes but they are not like GD. GD is a pagan organisation (even if they don't admit it) while the army is more traditional Christan Orthodox. At the same time the army hates the nazis to the freakin' bone. I remember when they took us to an army station while I was in the school as a president of the school council and the soldiers and generals and all the people in there were talking about nazis and they were almost spitting down every time they were saying a name of them.

Also GD wants all the immigrants out of Greece even some greeks that don't have the good old fashioned greek look. They have even stopped a guy because he was a little brown like he was from Pakistan and they told him that if you wouldn't say the alphabet they would kick his ass. The army would never do something like this.

Anyway the people that work in the army and support the GD are idiots that don't know about history (what the nazis did) and can't really understand what GD represents.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
30th September 2012, 16:07
The Nazi occult stuff didn't stop 'good' protestants and catholics from joining the party ranks. I also don't think opposition to a specific form of the German fascism as a result of world war 2 is enough to put a nationalist off from joining an indigenous fascist organization.

I don't know much about the Greek military, was it purged at the end of the dictatorship? Or are there still high ranking officers running around that joined up during that period?

agnixie
1st October 2012, 16:01
They are nationalists yes but they are not like GD. GD is a pagan organisation (even if they don't admit it) while the army is more traditional Christan Orthodox. At the same time the army hates the nazis to the freakin' bone. I remember when they took us to an army station while I was in the school as a president of the school council and the soldiers and generals and all the people in there were talking about nazis and they were almost spitting down every time they were saying a name of them.


Aside from a few occultists like Himmler, and the odd atheists/non-believer, the nazi leadership was largely christian.

Especially the "but they don't admit it" thing. This is bullshit. The fascists in Croatia, Serbia, France, Portugal, Argentina, Spain, etc were all obsessively christian. One of the most prominent fascist leaders in the US was a protestant pastor.

Philosophos
1st October 2012, 16:34
Aside from a few occultists like Himmler, and the odd atheists/non-believer, the nazi leadership was largely christian.

Especially the "but they don't admit it" thing. This is bullshit. The fascists in Croatia, Serbia, France, Portugal, Argentina, Spain, etc were all obsessively christian. One of the most prominent fascist leaders in the US was a protestant pastor.

I'm saying the army is not with the GD because they believe in different things. I never said that there are definitely no fascists in the army but they are not nazis. They might support dictatorships but not killing jews because they are immoral from their birth.

So once again I'm saying they are not with GD but at the same time that DOESN'T make them non-fascists or it doesn't make them fascists. Got it?

Art Vandelay
1st October 2012, 17:29
This is getting scary. :(

Philosophos
1st October 2012, 17:35
This is getting scary. :(

Just imagine how I feel. I was wearing a KGB t-shirt today in the street and there were 10 GD members giving away some papers about their party (i can't recall the word you know the propagandistic papers).

I almost started running so they wouldn't see me, even though some of them are so stupid that they won't even recognise what it meant.

the last donut of the night
2nd October 2012, 19:46
libcom has reported on anti-fascist motorcycle groups countering fascist-GD activity:


On Sunday night people clashed with fascists and police during an anti-fascist patrol around Athens. In response to continuing attacks by fascist supporters groups of anti-fascists have been patrolling the streets at night. During September there were a number of these motorcycle patrols of around a few dozen people.

http://libcom.org/blog/anti-fascist-patrols-01102012

anyone know more about this?

Ele'ill
2nd October 2012, 20:05
anyone know more about this?


I think there are several videos of the motorcycle patrols.

2 weeks ago in Athens supposedly


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The Douche
2nd October 2012, 22:31
libcom has reported on anti-fascist motorcycle groups countering fascist-GD activity:



http://libcom.org/blog/anti-fascist-patrols-01102012

anyone know more about this?

Occupied London reports a big police attack on one of these patrols resulting in some arrests, injuries, and the loss of some motorcycles.

Ocean Seal
2nd October 2012, 23:15
Acab
afab

Karabin
2nd October 2012, 23:36
It's good to see that some Leftists are doing patrols against GD. It is essential to have some sort of force to counter fascism. Fascism needs to be fought against with every ounce of strength and will from the people.

There should be an international brigade so that we can help our comrades in Greece.

agnixie
3rd October 2012, 03:51
acab
afab

Therefore ACAF?

officer nugz
3rd October 2012, 04:16
the greek police are effectively a wing of the golden dawn.

Ele'ill
3rd October 2012, 04:43
http://anarchistnews.org/content/update-greece#comments



Anti-fascist demo:
10.30 PM.(Breaking news) In the evening of Sunday, Sep 30th an anti-fascist demo of approx. 100-150 people spotted nazis in the area of Amerikis Square in Athens and clashed with them. Soon thereafter, at approximately 21:20, the anti-fascists were in turn attacked in retaliation by members of the DELTA motorcycle police squad — first in the neighbourhood of Amerikis Square and then on Alexandras Avenue and in Exarcheia. According to eye-witnesses in Exarcheia, when the motorcycle demo reached the neighbourhood, the DELTA arrested and injured many of its participants. Ambulances have arrived at the scene and at least six anti-fascists seem to have been detained and taken to the police HQ on Alexandras Ave. There is an unconfirmed number of injured, too.

10:57 PM Unconfirmed information talk about gathering of neoNazis, accompanied by the police, on Acharnon street. People are also gathered in the central Athenian squats to defend the sites, in the case the Nazis and police attack them.

11:23 PM No sight of Nazi gathering anywhere in the center of Athens on Acharnon street or Aghios Panteleimonas Square. Just a lot of police.


FINAL UPDATE, 12.18 PM. A more affirmative picture of what happened in central Athens tonight: The anti-fascist demo spotted a small number of fascists (2-3) in the Agios Panteleimonas area of Athens, near Amerikis sq (close to where the Tanzanian social centre was attacked by fascists only a few days ago). Immediately after the attack, the DELTA police that were following the demo attacked it and tried to break it up; in the mayhem that followed, approximately 10 motorbikes were left behind (and eventually confiscated by police). The DELTA attacked the demo two more times, as it was heading back into Exarcheia. In total, 23 arrests are being reported from the anti-fascists’ side, while there is at least one anti-fascist seriously injured and one nazi, too.

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On the evening of October 1st, approximately 300 people gathered in the courthouse of Athens in solidarity with the anti-fascists who had been arrested on the previous night, during the antifascist action in the Agios Panteleimonas neighbourhood of Athens. Inside the courthouse, things were calm for the largest part, until the moment when the imprisoned anti-fascists exited the building to enter the police vehicles (to be transferred back to the police HQ). At that point, the police attacked the gathering, chasing people inside the courthouse’s yard and then in the nearby streets. Approx. 20 more people were detained during the police operation. In total, 4 people were arrested and they will appear in the court on Tuesday morning.

Photos:

https://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1426378

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Responsibility claim for the attack on Acropoleos police station, Athens.

On the night of Saturday 29/9/12, we attacked the Acropoleos police station which barrels of petrol and Molotov cocktails and we torched the entrance as well as cars and motorbikes, service cars, cops personal cars and confiscated cars, which are parked on the road in front of the police station.

It was a dynamic reflective move as an answer to the orgy of police oppression of a junta style we all experienced the day of the general strike on 26/9, with the hundreds of detainments, arrests, the public humiliation of the arrestees, the chemicals and the beatings at pre-gatherings in neighbourhoods of Athens and the main demonstration. The scumbags of the greek police, from the leadership down to the last little cop guarding a police station, should know that nothing remains unanswered.

Their oppressive and vengeful methods against those who stand tall against the barbarity of our days, not only does not frighten us but arms our minds and hands. The war rages and the best defence was always attack and surprise attack. So the guardians of order and their superiors should be ready to pay the price, in equipment and prestige.

P.S. the same goes for the brats of Delta and Dias who, besides all the rest, last night also attacked the anti-fascist motorbike demo and beat and arrested comrades. we have lots of plans to make and we are saving the best for them… Solidarity to the arrestees.

P.S.2. Incendiary greetings and raised fists to all the comrades who are being tried for the cases of the R.O. CCF on October 8th Honour for ever to comrade Lambros Foundas who was, is and will be for ever by our side at every moment of the attack.

Ravachol
4th October 2012, 21:38
Therefore ACAF?

No, he indicated cops being a subset of the set of 'bastards' whilst also indicating fascists being a subset of the set of 'bastards', its not a bi-implication however (ie.: the set of bastards covers both cops and fascists, but (possibly) not only cops and bastards). As such both sets (cops and bastards) might be completely disjoint, overlap partially or completely :p

On a more serious note, here's a youtube video of one of the antifascist motor patrols:

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