Violence in Spain

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Essentially a load of people organised a demo to surround or occupy the Spanish congress in Madrid with multiple other demos occuring in other cities.
http://s10.postimage.org/3si36ij9l/occupy_congress.jpg

Police assembled 1300 riot police to stop it.
http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/09/24/inenglish/1348511411_526226.html

Then this happened:
http://rt.com/news/spain-protests-parliament-crisis-942/

Fucking pigs. :thumbdown: (edit: also, fucking peace-police)

Hopefully there'll be more up soon but it looks pretty fucking hectic at the moment.

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://rt.com/files/news/spain-protests-parliament-crisis-942/hanna-510.jpg

That cop looks like he's thinking about the delicious meal he's going to be eating when he gets off work or something.

[Ele'ill]

I'm pretty upset after watching that video. Fuck the police and fuck people stopping others from defending themselves. Those people are dangerous.

[L.A.P.]

yeah, I just saw this video 10 minutes ago

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[Le Socialiste]

Okay, maybe I'm just not seeing it - where were the "peace-police"? I didn't see any...

Edit - Oh, and fuck the police.

[Ele'ill]

yeah, I just saw this video 10 minutes ago

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Person in the orange shirt unarresting just made me feel better


holy shit jump kicking cops to unarrest

Go Spain!!!

[Rugged Collectivist]

It's good to see that the top comments are in support of the protesters.

[Ele'ill]

The title of this thread should be 'state violence in Spain'

[James Connolly]

Hopefully Spain's days are number.

[Conscript]

The title of this thread should be 'state violence in Spain'

But the phrase 'state violence' is incredibly redundant ;)

[ВАЛТЕР]

My Spanish isn't the best but... Adelante companeros! Venceremos! :thumbup1:



EDIT:

Not so tough now are you? Pigs...

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/75105_423353771054318_1515087090_n.jpg

[Ele'ill]

But the phrase 'state violence' is incredibly redundant ;)

Unfortunately there are often liberal positions on violence here on the forum.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Okay, maybe I'm just not seeing it - where were the "peace-police"? I didn't see any...

Edit - Oh, and fuck the police.
RT updated their article to show a different video, here's the first:

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[DDR]

Pictures and some info (in spanish):

http://www.eldiario.es/politica/25s-directo-rodea-congreso_0_51445125.html

[James Connolly]

It's good to see that the top comments are in support of the protesters.
Yeah? And look at the top comments of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OXXe9B9THo) video.

[Mather]

A live blog from the Guardian covering both the demonstrations in Spain and the still ongoing Eurozone crisis:

Eurozone crisis live (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/sep/25/eurozone-crisis-merkel-draghi-lagarde-greece)

S&P have predicted another recession for Europe, as news of lower than expected growth or no growth rates dent their previous forecasts. They predict that Spain, France and Britain will be the worst hit when this second recession hits Europe.

[The Douche]

RT updated their article to show a different video, here's the first:

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That shithead in the blue shirt should've caught a rock to the face.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

That shithead in the blue shirt should've caught a rock to the face.
Yeah. I'm not one to support violence I don't see as tactically useful unlike some people on this site (you included, I believe) but that's an argument for another time. Those cops needed to be fucked over and that guy was just getting in the way.

[Geiseric]

Lol but they're liberals since they don't want to end capitalism, at least according to left communists.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Yeah? And look at the top comments of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OXXe9B9THo) video.

Oh swell. The comments seem to suggest that those darn Jews are behind this too. :rolleyes:

When will that Jewish conspiracy thing fucking stop? It is seriously getting ridiculous at this point.

[The Douche]

Lol but they're liberals since they don't want to end capitalism, at least according to left communists.

Uh, most of these people do probably have liberal politics, that doesn't mean they should get brained by the pigs.

[Mather]

Pictures (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2012/sep/25/spain-debt-crisis-protesters) of the Madrid protests from the Guardian.

[Geiseric]

Uh, most of these people do probably have liberal politics, that doesn't mean they should get brained by the pigs.

Of course, I agree completely. i was being sarcastic, I support the protesters 100%. Those guys got good shots on that one cop, after the dropkick!

[Ele'ill]

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[Crux]

Oh swell. The comments seem to suggest that those darn Jews are behind this too. :rolleyes:

When will that Jewish conspiracy thing fucking stop? It is seriously getting ridiculous at this point.
It's on the RussiaToday channel. They attract a certain crowd sometimes..

[Ele'ill]

Why isn't Madrid imc updating with anything that's going on? I don't usually use imc for anything other than my daily conspiracy theory fix but I'd think there'd at least be something.

[Ele'ill]

About time for pictures

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/picture_this/public/spain_riot_12.jpg

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/picture_this/public/spain_riot_8.jpg

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/picture_this/public/spain_riot_13.jpg

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Oh swell. The comments seem to suggest that those darn Jews are behind this too. :rolleyes:

When will that Jewish conspiracy thing fucking stop? It is seriously getting ridiculous at this point.

I believe it's those "Anti-Zionist" conspiracy kooks like Alex Jones and the conspiracy-like motherfuckers that give fresh minds to the real anti-Semite Nazi-faschs. So when a Neo-Nazi type writes "It's the Jews, they control your bladder!" people vote up because it subconsciously resonates with their conspiracy laden heads from the likes of Ron Paul (Israel get's taxpayer money! [like, what, doesn't the german bourgeois State not also get tons of fucking money to follow the US' armies ass everywhere?!]). Fucking Anti-Semites, i honestly would like to start a vigilante club to hack the persons computers, find their residency, come by their house at night, grab them and force them into the numerous Concentration camp museums, lock them in the camp and tell them after a few months to watch what they write online!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Some fucking heroes in Spain.

Does anybody have some more background to the protests they could share?

I mean, the protest pics are inspiring and all, but let's not start a violence fetish or anything - what's the context, for the benefit of people viewing this thread?

[Rocky Rococo]

I love where that "peace police" is waving his arms around at the demonstrators, one of the cops kicks him in the ass, and he just keeps imploring the protesters to submit, regardless that a cop just kicked him in the ass. Got exactly what he deserves from the masters he serves.

[brigadista]

those police looked panicked...

[Niall]

looks nuts, good luck to the protesters.
WRT violence, although I dont think its always the best way forward, sometimes there just isnt another route to take

[DDR]

Some fucking heroes in Spain.

Does anybody have some more background to the protests they could share?

I mean, the protest pics are inspiring and all, but let's not start a violence fetish or anything - what's the context, for the benefit of people viewing this thread?

The aim of the protest was to sorround the congress in order to show the disaffection of the people with the politics. It also had a manifest that ask for the dimision of the goverment, new elections and a new constitution.

[Lynx]

The 'nobility' must be protected at all costs, and if that means beating up or killing some 'peasants' so be it. Fuck all has changed since feudalism.

[Jimmie Higgins]

About time for picturesLove that last photo - people surrounding the police as they frantically try and figure out what to do while other protesters on the outskirts are just milling around:lol:.

EDIT: oh shit just watched the videos - that one cop getting kicked and then stumbling over... and then kicked by someone else and falling the other way onto his hands... and then when he tries to get up someone else runs up and pushes him back over! Can someone edit that scene, make it play at 2x the speed and put Benny-Hill music over it? It's like riot tactics by Charlie Chaplin.

Lots of kicking of police as people try and push back against them... hmm, is this why they won't allow futbol to become popular in the US?


I love where that "peace police" is waving his arms around at the demonstrators, one of the cops kicks him in the ass, and he just keeps imploring the protesters to submit, regardless that a cop just kicked him in the ass. Got exactly what he deserves from the masters he serves.

What, the guy in the denim jacket? No, you got it all wrong, he was heading back from the produce market (see the bag) and he was just trying to ask the crowd for directions from the metro:lol:

[Niall]

The aim of the protest was to sorround the congress in order to show the disaffection of the people with the politics. It also had a manifest that ask for the dimision of the goverment, new elections and a new constitution.
from the outside looking in it certainly looks to have worked. How do people who were there feel it went with regards to getting their views across?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I keep seeing the cops drag people away, seemingly for no particular reason. Is the same kind of thinking that gave us "snatch squads" behind those tactics?

I'm sure they have their justifications but in my estimation it just makes them out to be arbitrary thugs.

[DDR]

from the outside looking in it certainly looks to have worked. How do people who were there feel it went with regards to getting their views across?

The organizators and the people who were there yesterday (that I have spoken to) have succeded to show their strength and to bring once more the debate about our politicians to the public opinion.

Today there's another concentration in Neptuno's Square (the same place as yesterday) and I hope to go tonite (I'm with the flu). Also there's General Strike in Euskal Herria y Galiza.


I'm sure they have their justifications but in my estimation it just makes them out to be arbitrary thugs.

Yes they are, it seem that yesterday almost they made a guy paraplegic and a journalist from La Sexta is in the hospital with broken bones everywhere. It's what happens when the riot police is addicted to cocaine.

[The Douche]

I've always been curious, to what extent is the civil war still part of the Spanish public's consciousness? Like, do people in Spain carry the memory of that attempt at forming a new world?

[Crux]

I've always been curious, to what extent is the civil war still part of the Spanish public's consciousness? Like, do people in Spain carry the memory of that attempt at forming a new world?
Don't know exactly how much that counts for but, the only flags I spotted in the crowd were those of the Spanish Republic. It's also worth remembering that PP, like ND in greece, trace their roots to the former dictatorship.

[Mather]

It's also worth remembering that PP, like ND in greece, trace their roots to the former dictatorship.


This especially applies to the PP as most of their senior members have links to the Franco dictatorship. The former prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Aznar) was a member of the Falange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange) in his youth.

[maskerade]

this makes me so fucking angry. fuck the cops, i hope the protesters go ham and get some slaughtered pigs for trophies.

ACAB. where are those homemade rocket launchers when you need them?

[Crux]

this makes me so fucking angry. fuck the cops, i hope the protesters go ham and get some slaughtered pigs for trophies.

ACAB. where are those homemade rocket launchers when you need them?
Where are the forklifts?!

[ВАЛТЕР]

Where are the forklifts?!

Mobilize the glorious peoples forklifts! We shall lift and then move the capitalists from their positions of power to a really high shelf in a warehouse where they can't get down from!

[Ocean Seal]

That shithead in the blue shirt should've caught a rock to the face.
Dude got a sharp kick to the ass from the pigs that he was trying to defend.

[DDR]

This especially applies to the PP as most of their senior members have links to the Franco dictatorship. The former prime minister, Jose Maria Aznar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Aznar) was a member of the Falange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange) in his youth.

In every single party in spain there's people linked to Franco, even ETA (De Juana Chaos was a son of a high rank military) or IU (Julio Anguita, one of the few good people in IU, was a falangist in his youth). But it is more obvious in the PP and the PSOE, here are two jokes about Franco resurrectiong and asking who is in charge of Spain:

PP in the times of Aznar and PSOE in the times of Zapatero: http://valor-crecimiento.blogspot.com.es/2010/02/chiste-en-version-del-pp-y-del-psoe.html

It's in spanish and too long to translate :p

[Ele'ill]

Don't know exactly how much that counts for but, the only flags I spotted in the crowd were those of the Spanish Republic. It's also worth remembering that PP, like ND in greece, trace their roots to the former dictatorship.

One of the videos linked shows solid red and solid black flags. They were being used to defend against a police charge. I don't think that represents most of the people out in the streets.

[DDR]

One of the videos linked shows solid red and solid black flags. They were being used to defend against a police charge. I don't think that represents most of the people out in the streets.

It seems that some, if not all, are police:

http://www.kaosenlared.net/component/k2/item/32022-%C2%BFblack-block-o-polic%C3%ADas-infiltrados-en-el-25s?.html

Click on the picture to zoom.

[Ele'ill]

Love that last photo - people surrounding the police as they frantically try and figure out what to do while other protesters on the outskirts are just milling around:lol:.

I don't know exactly for sure what happened regarding that photo but I suspect the police probably drove into the crowd rather than the crowd surrounding the police. I could be completely wrong though cause I did hear several times that the mood of the crowd was not that of passive self-loathing and despair but a lot of anger and with more energy than in the past.

[Ele'ill]

It seems that some, if not all, are police:

http://www.kaosenlared.net/component/k2/item/32022-%C2%BFblack-block-o-polic%C3%ADas-infiltrados-en-el-25s?.html

Click on the picture to zoom.

I'm sure there were undercovers and plain clothes cops there, that doesn't surprise me at all and I noticed them assisting with arrests in the first several videos I watched. I also know that once there have been undercovers exposed that certain groups claim any/all anarchist and any/all anarchist actions were agent provocateurs. In fact, the claim is often that any militant confrontation from anyone are the provocs.

Not saying that's what you or that website or whatever are doing but I am immediately skeptical.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I saw it on tv, it was defintely much bigger than any demonstration we ever had here in Portugal.

[Ele'ill]

Those pictures of the store owner with all the picture captions suggesting he is yelling at demonstrators who are throwing rocks at his restaurant apparently was denying police entrance to his restaurant because there were demonstrators inside and was saying no to a search. Maybe he was doing both I dunno.

[Skyhilist]

Of course the American news networks are absolutely failing to cover this. Such bullshit.

[DDR]

Those pictures of the store owner with all the picture captions suggesting he is yelling at demonstrators who are throwing rocks at his restaurant apparently was denying police entrance to his restaurant because there were demonstrators inside and was saying no to a search. Maybe he was doing both I dunno.

He was doing the latter, in his declaration to the press he told that he said to the police that for his balls they will not dare to enter with a battons (closes translation I could try the original was: por mis cojones que no vais a entrar aqui con porras, more of his tale, in spanish, here: http://www.huffingtonpost.es/2012/09/26/camarero-protegiendo-a-manifestantes_n_1915380.html )

[Ele'ill]

apparently he wasn't the owner either? He was a worker? I dunno, I'm getting this bit by bit from other conversations.

[DDR]

apparently he wasn't the owner either? He was a worker? I dunno, I'm getting this bit by bit from other conversations.

He was a worker. Also he's a member and voter of the PP (he declared it to the press).

In other news, todays protest has ben just dissolved by the police, with only one arrested. Also the people arrested yesterday are facing charges of "sabotaging the organism of the nation" wich can be punished with up to 5 years of prison.

[Questionable]

Hey! Said my name is called disturbance,
I'll shout and scream,
I'll kill the king,
I'll rail at all his servants,

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Good Report (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czx53ZaoiyA) on the protests in Madrid.

[Niall]

Dude got a sharp kick to the ass from the pigs that he was trying to defend.
served him right

[DDR]

So today there's going to be at 1800 hours GMT+1 at the same place, Neptuno, in order to once again sorround the congress. This time the goverment delegation (the dudes that conrols the national police) decided that the demo is illegal (they can't do that, tchnicaly) and the press is forbiden to set up their platforms and equipment in Neptuno, according to this newspaper (http://www.eldiario.es/politica/Ayuntamiento-Madrid-estructuras-necesarias-manifestacion_0_52844947.html) and this twitt (https://twitter.com/angelagallardo/status/252064026178240514/photo/1) from a RT reporter:

Also there is protest in Portugal and, if i remember well, Italy.

Edit:

Do you remember the waiter that save the people from the police? well he just got beatten by a policeman: http://via.me/-5k2waq6
Also this is a photo of Liboa:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3-PvfKCcAAdsR6.jpg

And Madrid:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3-ceJ7CYAAXo2C.jpg

[DDR]

Aerial view of the protests in Madrid:

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here (http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/09/28/videos/1348831929_830912.html) there's a good streaming of the protest.

[CryingWolf]

Fucking BloombergBusinessweek's coverage of this concluded with "protests like this are undermining efforts for economic recovery".

[GiantMonkeyMan]

here (http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/09/28/videos/1348831929_830912.html) there's a good streaming of the protest.
Fantastic that there's so many people out there! I watched the livestream for a bit and everyone seemed to just be milling about with barely twenty police visible behind barriers. The insurrectionist in me was hoping something more would be going on than that but maybe I missed the 'good' bits. There was one dude waving a Greek flag which I thought was a nice show of solidarity.

[Krano]

http://i45.tinypic.com/i4mgec.jpghttp://imgur.com/eQTnT