Greece's Golden Dawn opens office in New York City

[KurtFF8]

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/333341


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New York (http://maps.google.com/?q=New+York%2C+NY%2C+United+States&z=4) - Greece's ultra-nationalist party Golden Dawn (Chrysi Avgi) has inaugurated a new office in New York City, to reach out to the Greek diaspora. A branch of the political party is already operational in Melbourne, Australia.
According to Ekathimerini (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_22/09/2012_462650) two polls this weekend have placed Golden Dawn as the third political party in Greece, on nine percent of the vote. Their rise in popularity, which Digital Journal (http://digitaljournal.com/article/333096) reported as standing at 22 percent, means that the ultra-nationalist party has now overtaken PASOK in public opinion. Golden Dawn is now reaching out to the Greek diaspora, opening a branch of the political party in New York City. The party's New York website (http://xanyc.org/?page_id=13) says: "The Golden Dawn is the only political party in Greece that unapologetically stands for the sovereignty, security, and dignity of the Greek people. The party intends to reverse decades of unlimited third world immigration which has brought crime, unemployment, disease and possibly terrorism to the once peaceful Greek cities. "We stand with the Greek people who have been driven to poverty and despair by the imposition of the genocidal IMF and European Union austerity policies that are decimating the population and turning Greece into a slave state. "Our goals are to promote and support the Golden Dawn’s nationalist ideals and vision for Greece among the Greek diaspora. We must resist and overcome the genocidal multi- culturalist, and anti-Hellenic agenda of the New World Order." Thus far the party has collected medicines, food and clothing from the diaspora in the U.S. to send to Greece.

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Didn't know if this was the right forum for this. But either way, no bueno.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Didn't the German Nazi party do something similar back in the 30s? Try and reach out to German diaspora? I think I read that somewhere, maybe not.


Well, I've read in some Facebook group that they opened or plan on opening an office in Spain as well. Though idk how true that is.


Nationalist internationalism? dafuq?

[Jimmie Higgins]

So they want Greek immigrants in an organization that wants an end to immigration? Oh those fash!

[ВАЛТЕР]

So they want Greek immigrants in an organization that wants an end to immigration? Oh those fash!

Like it is hilarious in a way. They are fucking ridiculous at times. They need a sitcom and a catch phrase.

"What will those crazy fascists get into next?!" Find out, Fridays at 8.

[The Jay]

Fucking fascists. I can't really think of anything else . . . Tangentially, of course, is the Black Bloc holding auditions? Not for me of course, for a friend. :D

In all seriousness though, it is a shame that they have been making gains, but I was honestly expecting it. The leftists haven't been putting out what I expected or what the greek people likely expected. When the Left has opportunities and doesn't deliver other groups have their opportunities. Unless the greek Left does something the fascists will likely have a field-day.

Simply having parliamentary power is nothing.

[Ostrinski]

I think the KKE has something similar somewhere in the US.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I think the KKE has something similar somewhere in the US.

Well it makes sense for a communist organization to keep international ties with other communist groups, but not a fascist one. I'm still confused as to how they can sit there with a straight face and scream about nationalism and talk down on immigrants, but at the same time reach out to Greek immigrants in the US.

[Princess Luna]

Didn't the German Nazi party do something similar back in the 30s? Try and reach out to German diaspora? I think I read that somewhere, maybe not.


Well, I've read in some Facebook group that they opened or plan on opening an office in Spain as well. Though idk how true that is.


Nationalist internationalism? dafuq?

The German American Bund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund)

[ВАЛТЕР]

The German American Bund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund)

Thanks, I'm glad my brain wasn't just making random shit up. :)

[Raúl Duke]

It semi makes sense if you think about it more.

The GD wants to reach the Greek diaspora in the US for support, etc.
The Nazis did something similar.
The Italian fascists I think also visited NYC a few times before WWII.

Outside the fascists...

The Puerto Rican Nationalist Party has had some office or cell in NYC, to reach out the diaspora.
There are 2 Korean organizations, one aligned to the South and the other to the North, in Japan that reach out to the Zainichi Koreans.

It's common among certain kinds of political or social organizations and such based from a "home country" to target the diaspora for aid and sometimes recruitment.

What is truly ironic is how they claim they must "stop multiculturalism" in their NYC
website all the while that Greek diaspora make up part of the multiculturalism of NYC...

[The Douche]

It semi makes sense if you think about it more.

The GD wants to reach the Greek diaspora in the US for support, etc.
The Nazis did something similar.
The Italian fascists I think also visited NYC a few times before WWII.

Outside the fascists...

The Puerto Rican Nationalist Party has had some office or cell in NYC, to reach out the diaspora.
There are 2 Korean organizations, one aligned to the South and the other to the North, in Japan that reach out to the Zainichi Koreans.

It's common among certain kinds of political or social organizations and such based from a "home country" to target the diaspora for aid and sometimes recruitment.

What is truly ironic is how they claim they must "stop multiculturalism" in their NYC
website all the while that Greek diaspora make up part of the multiculturalism of NYC...

The Italians did have an organization in NYC, they actually functioned (or attempted to) in the same manner as the party in Italy, forming combatant squads and duking it out with communists and trade unionists.

[Fawkes]

Notice how, in this context, they strategically use the term "third-world immigration" as opposed to just "immigration"

[Raúl Duke]

Notice how, in this context, they strategically use the term "third-world immigration" as opposed to just "immigration"

I've noticed that too...they probably used it as a way to not seem to have double standards due to the fact that their audience in NYC would be immigrants (& family to some degree) as well.

But it also comes off way more racist, at least to me.

[The Cheshire Cat]

They also have a branch in Australia and coming november they will probably have one in Spain too...

[Red Commissar]

They must have some strong finances if they are able to open foreign offices and are not even in power in the government. Either they have a lot of paying members and/or some rich bourgeois backers. Either way they're going to try and get the Greek-American community to come through them for donations and such as mentioned already and getting stuff back to Greece for their relatives and taking a cut for themselves for providing that.

It's funny though how they use "third world" immigration though. To some ultranationalists elsewhere, Greece is part of the third world (heck, look at the way the media keeps referring to "southern Europe" when discussing the economy...). I'm pretty sure that early Greek immigrants were treated like trash too coming to the States under the same mentality that Irish and Italians were subjected too, not being seen as from the "superior" stock of Western European nations (ie not "white").

[Raúl Duke]

Now I wonder how Greek-Americans perceive the GD...

[Red Commissar]

Now I wonder how Greek-Americans perceive the GD...

That's what I would want to know as well. Some of the civic organizations aren't reacting too well to them though, at least the American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association (AHEPA) which is a fraternal organization for Greek expatriates.

http://ahepa.org/dotnetnuke/News/NewsReleases/tabid/82/EntryId/190/AHEPA-Deeply-Concerned-about-Rise-of-Extremism-in-Greece.aspx


AHEPA Deeply Concerned about Rise of Extremism in Greece

Strongly Denounces Establishment of Neo-Nazi Party Branch in New York City

WASHINGTON - Supreme President Dr. John Grossomanides has issued the following statement on the reported rise of extremism in Greece in recent months and its established presence in the United States:

"The American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association, founded ninety years ago to protect and guard individuals from the evils of bigotry and discrimination in the United States, is deeply concerned about the rise of extremism in Greece as reported by several prominent Greek media outlets in recent months.

"In fact, the rise of extremism has drawn the attention of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_10/09/2012_460510), who stated she was worried about 'violent xenophobic attacks (http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/58041)' upon migrants, refugees and asylum seekers in Greece. Paramilitary-like tactics perpetrated upon any individuals of a free society is alarming.

"We furthermore strongly denounce and reject resoundingly the establishment of a branch (http://ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_22/09/2012_462649) of the Neo-Nazi party, Golden Dawn, in New York City (http://xanyc.org/). Fascism has no place in the United States, whose citizens, including many Greek Americans and Ahepans, fought and sacrificed to defeat Fascism in Nazi-occupied Greece during World War Two.
It also goes on to bemoan "extreme" actions from the left and right (on the former "uncivil" disobedience), the usual stuff. But I guess that's one thing from Greek-Americans.

[Philosophos]

Seriously now? GD in NY too... IN NYC!!!!???!!!!???

[bcbm]

where are you when we need you bicycle bombe (http://www.securityinfowatch.com/press_release/10561079/experts-hard-to-stop-nys-bicycle-bomber)r?

[Fawkes]

This doesn't really surprise me too much. Racism is a lot more prevalent here than people seem to think it is. The only difference is people tend to keep quiet about it unless they're with their own "group." You're not really gonna hear anyone spouting off racist shit on the subway where they could/would get their ass kicked, but go somewhere in Howard Beach or Brighton Beach and chances are you'll probably hear it.

[Raúl Duke]

This doesn't really surprise me too much. Racism is a lot more prevalent here than people seem to think it is. The only difference is people tend to keep quiet about it unless they're with their own "group." You're not really gonna hear anyone spouting off racist shit on the subway where they could/would get their ass kicked, but go somewhere in Howard Beach or Brighton Beach and chances are you'll probably hear it.

I've seen this, in Miami and also even in Brooklyn at one point among some friends of my one of my uncles

[Rugged Collectivist]

So umm... shouldn't we do something about this? Maybe organize some kind of resistance? I'm sure you could get a lot of people nice and pissed off if you tell them a Neo Nazi party opened an office near near their neighborhood.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I wonder if GD will team up with Pam Gheller? Are they anti-Israel fascists or pro-Israel fascists - it must be hard for fascists to priotize their hate-lists, do I hate arabs or jews more... hmm?

In addition to raising money, I'd imagine it's for propaganda purposes - in case they do get in power they'll need people in other countries to do PR and damage control and defend their policies. That was what US nazi-suppoorters - especially well connected ones - did. "Oh you don't understand how the Germans are the real victims".


The Italians did have an organization in NYC, they actually functioned (or attempted to) in the same manner as the party in Italy, forming combatant squads and duking it out with communists and trade unionists.

I think I remember reading once that when Mussolini invaded Etheopia there was a chance of racial conflicts in NYC between Itallian and Black communities and the CP organized a multi-racial protest (led by black and Italian communists) against the fascists at their NY HQ.

[The Cheshire Cat]

So umm... shouldn't we do something about this? Maybe organize some kind of resistance? I'm sure you could get a lot of people nice and pissed off if you tell them a Neo Nazi party opened an office near near their neighborhood.

Some people (including me) are trying to organize some kind of new International Brigade. It will serve to protect people everywhere, wether it is protecting immigrants against the GD, or protecting protesters against cops/nazi's, it does not matter. It could also serve as some international aid movement, collecting things like tools and clothing in one country and bringing it to the International Brigade column in another country, where it is needed. The International Brigade could ofcourse also take action of some sort against fascist offices. And it would ofcourse teach about the dangers of fascism. But these are merely idea's, we are still discussing everything. Of you want to join the discussion or take a look, it is in the Reforming of the International Brigade group.

We could use alot of help because we have little idea's of what the possibilities are and where we could start, except for making a site.

[Crux]

Anon gives GD a warm welcome to NY. (http://www.salon.com/2012/09/25/anonymous_attacks_golden_dawn_nys_website/)

[cynicles]

I wonder if GD will team up with Pam Gheller? Are they anti-Israel fascists or pro-Israel fascists - it must be hard for fascists to priotize their hate-lists, do I hate arabs or jews more... hmm?

In addition to raising money, I'd imagine it's for propaganda purposes - in case they do get in power they'll need people in other countries to do PR and damage control and defend their policies. That was what US nazi-suppoorters - especially well connected ones - did. "Oh you don't understand how the Germans are the real victims".


If Israel can look the other way for the traditionally anti-semitic christian right and a former Nazi collaborating Egyptian dictator like Anwar El Sadat then I'm sure they'll turn a few more blind eyes if GD enters the fold.

[SonofRage]

So umm... shouldn't we do something about this? Maybe organize some kind of resistance? I'm sure you could get a lot of people nice and pissed off if you tell them a Neo Nazi party opened an office near near their neighborhood.

Call for an Open Meeting Say “NO” to the Neo-Nazi “Golden Dawn” in New York City (http://www.anarchistnews.org/content/call-open-meeting-say-%E2%80%9Cno%E2%80%9D-neo-nazi-%E2%80%9Cgolden-dawn%E2%80%9D-new-york-city)

Their office is in my neighborhood, Astoria, which is the major Greek area in NYC (or at least traditionally it is, it's more mixed now. I'm not Greek).

[officer nugz]

Well it makes sense for a communist organization to keep international ties with other communist groups, but not a fascist one. I'm still confused as to how they can sit there with a straight face and scream about nationalism and talk down on immigrants, but at the same time reach out to Greek immigrants in the US.because they are nationalists which means they claim solidarity with their nationality (well, the non-minority members of their nationality who they don't consider inferior). german schools, during the third reich, taught about germans all over the world and the nazis claimed solidarity with germans worldwide. it actually does make sense from their ideological perspective.

and holy shit this office is going to get absolutely wrecked by vandals.

[Prometeo liberado]

Like it is hilarious in a way. They are fucking ridiculous at times. They need a sitcom and a catch phrase.

"What will those crazy fascists get into next?!" Find out, Fridays at 8.

OK, what channel and is that east coast time?:confused:

[officer nugz]

I'd definitely watch a neo-nazi sitcom