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Sasha
22nd September 2012, 10:32
wonder how the masters of cognitive dissonance anti-imps will spin this one in relation to the b.s. they dribbled all over this thread: http://www.revleft.com/vb/salafists-attack-u-t174972/index.html



Libyans storm militia bases in Benghazi



At least one person has died and 20 others injured after demonstrators in Benghazi attempted to stom the headquarters of militias based in the eastern Libyan city.
Protesters seized the headquarters of the Ansar al-Sharia militia and evicted its fighters from its bases on Friday night.
The confrontation appeared to be part of a co-ordinated sweep of militia headquarters buildings by police, government troops and activists following a mass public demonstration against armed groups earlier in the day.
Ansar al-Sharia has been linked to the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi last week in which J Christopher Stevens, US ambassador to Libya, and three other Americans died amid demonstrations over a YouTube video deemed insulting to Prophet Muhammad.
The group denies any involvement in the killing of Stevens.

Chanting "Libya, Libya," hundreds of demonstrators entered the compound, pulling down militia flags and torching a vehicle inside the headquarters, Ansar al-Sharia's main base in Benghazi - once an internal security base under former leader Muammar Gaddafi.
People in the crowd waved swords and even a meat cleaver, shouting "No more al-Qaeda!" and "The blood we shed for freedom shall not go in vain!"
They tore down the banner of group while chanting “no no to the brigades”.


Second brigade targeted
After storming the Ansar al-Sharia compound, protesters made their way to the headquarters of Rafallah Sehati, an official brigade of the Libyan defence ministry.
The confrontation left one person dead and 20 others wounded.
It was not immediately clear who had started the shooting.
Ismail Salabi, leader of the Rafallah Sehati brigade, which is credited with securing the nation for parliamentary elections, told Al Jazeera's correspondent in Benghazi, Hoda Abdel-Hamid, that his vehicle was shot at about 4km from the base.
Salabi described the attack as an "assassination attempt".
The Libyan military chief of staff and defence minister both alluded to "Gaddafi loyalists" as being responsible for the raid.
The wounded, however, dismissed such allegations, saying instead that the government and its brigades responded in a violent manner reminiscent of the days of Gaddafi.


'Like the Bastille'
In addition to the attack on the US consulate, Ansar al-Sharia is also believed to be behind several attacks in recent months.
"After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists," Hassan Ahmed, a demonstrator, said.
"They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled.
"This place is like the Bastille. This is where Gaddafi controlled Libya from, and then Ansar al-Sharia took it over. This is a turning point for the people of Benghazi."

Adusalam al-Tarhouni, a government worker who arrived with the first wave of protesters, said several pickup vehicles with Ansar al-Sharia fighters had initially confronted the protesters and opened fire.
Two protesters were shot in the leg, he said.

"After that [the fighters] got into their trucks and drove away," he said. "When we got in, we found four prisoners in the compound and set them free."
Our correspondent said: "We went there to hear their slogans and basically what they are saying is that they reject insults to the prophet but they also refuse terrorism in their city.
"They have also called for the disbanding of the militias, chanting: 'What are you waiting for?' They're asking the government how long it will take before they do that."
Groups like Ansar al-Sharia, which are said to have played a role in helping to topple the Gaddafi regime, have been accused of kidnappings and killings.


Protests against video
Friday night's raids followed protests earlier in the day when around 30,000 protesters from the Save Benghazi group marched through the city's al-Kish Square, which was a key battleground in the uprising that overthrew Gaddafi.
At the same time, about 3,000 supporters of Ansar al-Sharia group gathered in the same area.
Waving black Islamic flags, they chanted against the anti-Islam video as also cartoons of Prophet Muhammad published by a French satirical weekly.
"Our demonstration is in support of the messenger of God, and to condemn the abuse of Islam and Muslims carried out by any given country, chief among them France and the US," an Ansar al-Sharia member told the AFP news agency.
"It wasn't enough for them to produce a film denigrating the prophet in America, off goes France insisting on publishing cartoons in its newspaper that are offensive to our prophet. We will never tolerate that."


source with video; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201292205259561409.html

Zealot
22nd September 2012, 11:34
It's concerning to me that it is now in vogue for self-proclaimed "leftists" here to use "anti-imp" as some sort of insult.

Os Cangaceiros
22nd September 2012, 12:16
I read something seperate but perhaps related in regards to Afghanistan recently:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578006201295641128.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

Peoples' War
22nd September 2012, 12:48
As an actual anti-imperialist, not a national bourgeois sympathizer like Marxist-Leninists, I take offense to that Psycho :P !

Sasha
22nd September 2012, 15:03
It's concerning to me that it is now in vogue for self-proclaimed "leftists" here to use "anti-imp" as some sort of insult.


As an actual anti-imperialist, not a national bourgeois sympathizer like Marxist-Leninists, I take offense to that Psycho :P !

Maybe its a dutch/german thing but here "anti-imp" is already for decades a completely common (albeit a negative one) for a quite distinct political tendency...

Ocean Seal
22nd September 2012, 15:28
wonder how the masters of cognitive dissonance anti-imps will spin this one in relation to the b.s. they dribbled all over this thread

Umm what? So you're saying that anti-imps have to believe that the Libyan people are a homogenous entity who without Qaddafi can't possibly hope to organize themselves against the hostile elements which have taken over Libya? I'm sorry, but this is just a senseless jab without any substance.

khad
22nd September 2012, 16:11
They also targeted and executed pro-government forces, so yeah I'd say that was a pretty spectacular failure of mob tactics.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/six-libyan-security-forces-executed-in-clashes-between-militia-protesters-officials/article4561247/

L.A.P.
22nd September 2012, 17:59
Could we say that maybe this shows that the protests and discontent of the Libyan people never had much to do with that ridiculous video as much as it did with dissenting against the US-backed Libyan state and its Islamist militias? I see the media trying differntiate between the people who protested at the US embassy and the ones protesting at the Islamist hq, but wouldn't it be more plausible to assume that these protests aren't opposed to each other at all? Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Islamists were channeling discontent, using the Innocence of Muslims for propaganda purposes, into a "West is ruining our great Islamic culture" in the case of the US consulate, but I think they weren't able to divert the Libyan people's general anger towards the state of things.

#FF0000
22nd September 2012, 19:22
Could we say that maybe this shows that the protests and discontent of the Libyan people never had much to do with that ridiculous video as much as it did with dissenting against the US-backed Libyan state and its Islamist militias? I see the media trying differntiate between the people who protested at the US embassy and the ones protesting at the Islamist hq, but wouldn't it be more plausible to assume that these protests aren't opposed to each other at all? Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that the Islamists were channeling discontent, using the Innocence of Muslims for propaganda purposes, into a "West is ruining our great Islamic culture" in the case of the US consulate, but I think they weren't able to divert the Libyan people's general anger towards the state of things.

ding ding ding

L.A.P.
22nd September 2012, 19:52
ding ding ding

where's my cookie?

The Douche
22nd September 2012, 21:23
Maybe its a dutch/german thing but here "anti-imp" is already for decades a completely common (albeit a negative one) for a quite distinct political tendency...

This. Anti-imp in this context refers to a position something reminiscent of third-worldism and baader-meinhoff type politics from what I understand.

Homo Songun
22nd September 2012, 21:30
This. Anti-imp in this context refers to a position something reminiscent of third-worldism and baader-meinhoff type politics from what I understand.

In other words, something that is more or less imaginary -- as far as revleft is concerned.

Tim Cornelis
22nd September 2012, 21:33
I see the media trying differntiate between the people who protested at the US embassy and the ones protesting at the Islamist hq, but wouldn't it be more plausible to assume that these protests aren't opposed to each other at all?

No, because the organisation that protested against the US was the organisation whose headquarters was attacked by the mob.

The Douche
22nd September 2012, 21:34
In other words, something that is more or less imaginary -- as far as revleft is concerned.

I dunno, I think the PSL's politics come damn close, as do assorted other leninists'.

*Think: "anybody but the west/US/israel" type positions.

Homo Songun
22nd September 2012, 21:49
I just wish these hordes of Baader-Meinhof Leninists on Revleft would finally admit that this is the conclusive evidence that the social revolution can be imported on the backs of NATO tomahawks. Just look at all the other times it has worked that way, amirite?

The Douche
22nd September 2012, 22:16
I just wish these hordes of Baader-Meinhof Leninists on Revleft would finally admit that this is the conclusive evidence that the social revolution can be imported on the backs of NATO tomahawks. Just look at all the other times it has worked that way, amirite?

I'm not taking that bait.

black magick hustla
22nd September 2012, 23:21
In other words, something that is more or less imaginary -- as far as revleft is concerned.

lol its not

Ostrinski
22nd September 2012, 23:35
I just wish these hordes of Baader-Meinhof Leninists on Revleft would finally admit that this is the conclusive evidence that the social revolution can be imported on the backs of NATO tomahawks. Just look at all the other times it has worked that way, amirite?strawman of the year

Homo Songun
22nd September 2012, 23:38
strawman of the year

Ironic response of the decade.

The Douche
22nd September 2012, 23:40
Ok guys, let's reel it in with the one liners.

Sasha
23rd September 2012, 03:26
I assume we are all anti-imperialists, "anti-imps" though substitute a class analysis for something very different...

Zealot
23rd September 2012, 03:33
Maybe its a dutch/german thing but here "anti-imp" is already for decades a completely common (albeit a negative one) for a quite distinct political tendency...

The only place I've ever seen it used as an insult is recently here on Revleft. It's a shame that the title of anti-imperialist is being used as an insult on the left. It would be much more appropriate if we stuck to the already well-known social-imperialist label.

Hiero
23rd September 2012, 03:56
They also targeted and executed pro-government forces, so yeah I'd say that was a pretty spectacular failure of mob tactics.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/six-libyan-security-forces-executed-in-clashes-between-militia-protesters-officials/article4561247/

Also from the article "Demonstrators paid tribute to Ambassador Stevens and carried banners calling for justice to be done". I don't know if Pyscho posted this as a positive event, but wouldn't it be more precise to conclude that there is a large faction in Benghazi whos political outlook is secular, right-wing and pro-US/EU orientation? Representing modern and popular neo-libeal form of politics.

Os Cangaceiros
23rd September 2012, 05:20
The protests (and subsequent eviction of the aformentioned Islamists) was obviously a result of the ambassador being slain. Benghazi was the main hub of the 2011 revolt against the old regime, and the assistance of the USA was critical in ousting Qaddafi. A lot of people in Benghazi recognize that and so obviously they're going to be pissed off when American guests get murdered in their city.

I think that the article was posted as a counter to the claim that's sometimes presented or insinuated at that the Libyan opposition was 100% pure bloodcrazed, hardcore Salafist insurgents, when perhaps that is not true. Doesn't necessarily mean that they're progressive in any way. But I think the left sometimes paints with broad strokes on this issue.

Sasha
23rd September 2012, 14:55
The protests (and subsequent eviction of the aformentioned Islamists) was obviously a result of the ambassador being slain. Benghazi was the main hub of the 2011 revolt against the old regime, and the assistance of the USA was critical in ousting Qaddafi. A lot of people in Benghazi recognize that and so obviously they're going to be pissed off when American guests get murdered in their city.

I think that the article was posted as a counter to the claim that's sometimes presented or insinuated at that the Libyan opposition was 100% pure bloodcrazed, hardcore Salafist insurgents, when perhaps that is not true. Doesn't necessarily mean that they're progressive in any way. But I think the left sometimes paints with broad strokes on this issue.

Basically this, all these uprisings, all those involved, their aims, their motivations, etc etc are messy and complicated and differ from individual participant to the next and sticking them in a black and white ideological frame that was already mostly bullshit the half century ago when it gained popularity is just counter productive.