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The Cheshire Cat
18th September 2012, 13:57
Hello everyone. While I was roaming on stormfront, looking for some good laughs, I found a translation of the Political Manifesto of the Golden Dawn translated to English. The original poster translated it himself and this is the only translation according to him. I thought I could post it here for the people who are interested:

'Ταυτότητα (political identity)

GOLDEN DAWN is a social and nationalist movement with structures, principles and positions. It is active in the political life of the country since the mid-90s, having taken part in European elections (1994, 2009) and national elections (1996, 2009). On 7 November 2010 the Golden Dawn participated in the municipal elections. In the recent election of June 17, 2012 it received 7% and elected 18 MPs.

The social nationalist movement of GOLDEN DAWN finds itself at the frontline of the struggle against the nation-killing memorandum and the sinful regime of the parties that consist the political establishment. We fight against altering our racial demographics by the millions of illegal immigrants, and the dissolution of the Greek society promoted by both the coalition parties and the so-called left. We propose a national strategy so that we can overcome the crisis imposed on our country. We are struggling for a Greece which belongs to the Greeks.

WHAT BEING A GOLDEN-DAWNER MEANS

1) I embrace the third major ideology of history, the one that is the most rooted in the history of my people. Opposed both to communist internationalism and universalism-liberalism.

2) I embrace the need for a state founded and built based on this ideology that nourishes and guides continuously our lives as individuals and as a society. A state that constantly serves the eternal revolutionary principles of the nationalist worldview, with the ultimate goal of forming a new society and a new type of man.

3) I embrace the moral imperatives arising from my worldview and aim to a radical renewal of the obsolete and counterfeit social values. My ideology is not looking to salvage anything from the installed economic and social interests that lead nations, peoples and cultures in decline. So I'm an enemy of every power that perpetuates this sepsis that finds foothold in plutocracy. Whether this power is a military-financial dictatorship or a parliamentary dictatorship. Because those are the two sides of the same coin, and their purpose is tearing down national identity.

4) I 'm aware that nationalism is the only absolute and true revolution because it seeks the birth of new ethical, spiritual, social and mental values. The right and left solutions supposedly fighting each other, are just a fake theater of two partners who perpetuate the dominance of cosmopolitan internationalists, anti-national and anti-social forces.

5) I believe the only state that serves correctly it's historical role is the social state, where political power comes from the people, without party promoters. Nationalism sees people not only as a numerical entity of individuals but as a qualitative synthesis of people with the same biological and spiritual heritage, which is the source of all creation and expresses its power in the social state. The only state that can represent the people as an organic and spiritual living whole.

6) The polticians on both the right and the left are deliberately lying, democracy means rule of the people, and therefore the society that is comprised of people of common origin (definition of Citizen in Classical Athens). The social state of nationalism is the only direct democracy. The state were the people are the only reality and do not need authority but leadership. The People are the real sovereign and rule themselves through their leader. So the social state can fulfill the only possible equality (derived from thought and that is not of natural, but human cultural - political creation), equal opportunities. In contrast to the transient and fleeting majority of parliamentary governing, the will of the people is the supreme law, and obedience to it results in true justice from the whole to every unit. ......

7) I realize that in the social state of the nationalist ideology exists the ultimate equality and the politically structured social equality. In the social state there is no social stratification based on income-economic classes. The social classes are collaborating organically groups of people with different abilities and production skills each, just like in a living body. The different systems contribute harmonically and in full cooperation for their survival. Solidarity is the rule of the social state for the relations between social-organic classes. The few people who have burgled their organic relationship with the people are the members of "plutocratic oligarchy" with their cosmopolitanism, and members of the leading groups of "Bolshevik party-union oligarchy" with their internationalism. The oligarchies of money and the tyranny of political parties are the same- enemies of the Nation and the People.

8) I am an enemy of vast exploitative wealth, either locally or internationalist, and a champion of small family ownership like the "kleros" or "temenos" of our ancestors. Money is a mean of necessity, not a governing principle of life or the purpose of it. The ultimate goal of the social state is the elimination of tiered false-value of money and the controlled use of it as a trading mean. The state should have control over private property so that it is not dangerous for the survival of the People or can manipulate them. The economy should be planned so that it serves the national policy and ensures the maximum self-sufficiency without dependence on international markets and control of any multinational companies.

9) I believe that the state, the social state, is the political organization of the nation and that the nation exists from itself without being an invention. It is an automatic spiritual fact that springs from the existence of the People, it is a reality that is based on the existence of the People. Whether or not the People realize the extent and depth of its
existence, the Nation is the highest spiritual entity. The People are born from the tribes, the types of a race and its existence gives birth to the nation as a superior spiritual manifestation (moral, cultural, religious). Derived from the people, the nation - race, needs to be strengthened and developed through the state. It may exist without a state but will be steadily declining (See the national rise of the Greeks after 4 centuries of subjugation and lack of state). So I understand that international communism and liberal cosmopolitanism are undermining the nation by stirring up class divisions.

10) I believe in the importance of society, the whole community of the People, not the individual. The individual acquires a face and forms it's shape, it's "I" identity through the "We" of the total. Individuals do not have historical significance as opposed to the people who are condensations spacetime of special qualities of the People and the Nation. A person can only be one who completes the socialization through capability, as harmonious comition of social and individual values. This superior type of person is a new kind of person that nationalism seeks to create.

11) I honor and respect the tradition because it consists all the aspects of beauty and the good that occurred and revealed in history. While grounded in tradition I seek the new creation, the incessant evolution.

12) The social state of nationalism delivers social equality of opportunities grounded in meritocracy and does not ignore the law of diversity and difference in nature. Respecting the spiritual, ethnic and racial inequality of men we can build a society with egalitarian laws. This egalitarian laws are the proof of the moral transgression of nationalism and show that there is no legal modulation to protect the naturally existing institutional inequalities that are an integral part of nature and life. In contrast to this, the social - national state gives the same margin of enhancement and sealing to every different element of existence. So, as a nationalist, I fight all forms of destructive policies (regarding nations, races, men), and any false inequality and oligarchy (money, party, perversion).


ARISTOCRACY IS BORN OF MERITOCRACY, THIS IS WHY I FIGHT AGAINST ALL FORMS OF OLIGARCHY '



As you see it is not very impressive and it does not learn us anything new, so it is just for the people who are interested.
And here is the link to the original site with the Greek text: http://www.xryshaygh.com/index.php/kinima
Source of the translation: http://www.***************/forum/t913289/

Edit: I don't know why it comes up as stars (is this word banned too?) but it is a link to the stormfrontforum.

Pravda
18th September 2012, 15:11
Usual fascist shit.

REDSOX
18th September 2012, 15:29
Nothing particular new in that manifesto although i would say that the tendency (at least in rhetoric) is towards a variant of strasserism regarding the economy with its talk about the economy being planned and control over private property. It even mentions the desire to create a new society and a new type of man(not woman!) though this i suspect is a white aryan man who is hetrosexeual and anti semitic i assume and not che guevara's idea of the new man.

However fascism is riven with contradiction trying to balance the interests of the workers (in rhetoric) with the needs of capital and ultimately comming down on the side of the rich

Philosophos
19th September 2012, 13:34
I think they forgot the part: "We are paganists but because lot's of our voters are Christian Orthodox and they believe in the quote: " Country, Religion, Family", we let it flow in the air that we are Christian Orthodox too even though we believe in Zeus because he's ancient GREEK GOD and not like Jesus who's jew and traitor of the country (even though Jesus had nothing to do with Greece at that time)".

Yeah! I believe the left and right wings are hypocritical not GD for god's sake...... :cursing:

cynicles
20th September 2012, 01:21
I heard abou that neo-pagan thing but I didn't know if it was real or not. Typical fascist garbage.

Geiseric
20th September 2012, 01:40
Paganism is a fascist thing? That's kinda cool... Regardless, there is nothing different from these assholes and Mussolini's writings.

Fascism in america is also under the guise of "Liberty," it's called the "Tea Party."

Yuppie Grinder
20th September 2012, 01:57
It sounds identical to the shit facists used to write in the 30s. You'd think they'd make some sort of effort to dress it up as something new.

Os Cangaceiros
20th September 2012, 02:19
^haha, yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It's almost like they're trying to be a fascist charicature.

I mean,


A state that constantly serves the eternal revolutionary principles of the nationalist worldview, with the ultimate goal of forming a new society and a new type of man.

that's some Adolph Hitler shit right there

Luc
20th September 2012, 02:25
what's with their symbol? it looks like Israel's New Shekel:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/New_Israeli_Sheqel_symbol.svg/120px-New_Israeli_Sheqel_symbol.svg.png
GD Symbolhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6vD1_b_DKQ4/T9ofIxnyvlI/AAAAAAAABfA/4pCtfRfxe5Q/s1600/Golden_Dawn_logo.jpg

Os Cangaceiros
20th September 2012, 02:28
Does Golden Dawn ever rant about the Jews, does anyone know?

Also, do Golden Dawn members approve of the junta dictatorship, or do they consider it a negative thing?

Камо́ Зэд
20th September 2012, 03:10
It's cute how they occasionally appropriate leftist language and try to act like they actually are a third position rather than just unabashedly stupid and right-wing.

Geiseric
20th September 2012, 03:13
Well third position in the sense they want to use the state to prop capitalism for more profits may be accurate. Fascism and "free market," is opposed to each other.

Rugged Collectivist
20th September 2012, 04:49
ARISTOCRACY IS BORN OF MERITOCRACY, THIS IS WHY I FIGHT AGAINST ALL FORMS OF OLIGARCHY

...what?

Philosophos
20th September 2012, 14:45
what's with their symbol? it looks like Israel's New Shekel:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/New_Israeli_Sheqel_symbol.svg/120px-New_Israeli_Sheqel_symbol.svg.png
GD Symbolhttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6vD1_b_DKQ4/T9ofIxnyvlI/AAAAAAAABfA/4pCtfRfxe5Q/s1600/Golden_Dawn_logo.jpg

Their symbol is supposed to be a meandros which is an ancient greek style of architecture. I suppose it's just... luck that it looks kinda like the symbol of Hitler...

The Douche
20th September 2012, 14:50
Yo, Strasser is such weaksauce. Where are the fascist groups that uphold Evola? I see the shout out to a "new man", but I'm not satisfied, I prefer my fascism to be of the esoteric variety, personally.

Comrade #138672
20th September 2012, 15:46
Does Golden Dawn ever rant about the Jews, does anyone know?On the StormFront site, "beginners" are linked to Nazi articles. When you read these articles, it's almost as if Hitler is still alive.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post these articles. They do provide a lot of insight into the ideology of our enemy, but it seems dangerous.


Also, do Golden Dawn members approve of the junta dictatorship, or do they consider it a negative thing?They encourage violence against immigrants (legal or illegal, it doesn't matter as they're all immigrants) and want to lock up "certain" politicians (Communists of course). So I would say yes.

Comrades Unite!
20th September 2012, 22:50
I think I just lost brain cells reading that.

What's worse than the fact that some people believe that shit, is that some people endorse it.

I mean, the fact that someone out there believe Nationalism to be the only true revolution is quite frankly hilarious.

Comrade #138672
20th September 2012, 23:03
I think I just lost brain cells reading that.

What's worse than the fact that some people believe that shit, is that some people endorse it.

I mean, the fact that someone out there believe Nationalism to be the only true revolution is quite frankly hilarious.I think we shouldn't underestimate Fascists. They're very dangerous. Remember: people thought Hitler was hilarious too.

TheRedAnarchist23
20th September 2012, 23:23
Usual fascist shit.

What this one does not get deleted for being one-liner and the other one I protested about, which actually contributed to the thread (unlike this one), got deleted?


It sounds identical to the shit facists used to write in the 30s. You'd think they'd make some sort of effort to dress it up as something new.

Marxists still use the same manifesto they did in the 19th century.


I think we shouldn't underestimate Fascists. They're very dangerous. Remember: people thought Hitler was hilarious too.

You think they have enough popular support to be dangerous?


Unrelated note:

Yay I learned how to quote multiple posts!!!!

Aurora
21st September 2012, 00:17
As you see it is not very impressive and it does not learn us anything new, so it is just for the people who are interested.
I disagree i think it is very impressive. Honestly it's the best piece of fascist writing i've ever seen, it seems that Golden Dawn have a very clear picture of what their historic role is, of note is their putting themselves forward as a third position, use of left rhetoric to gain support from proletarians, their appeals to the petit-bourgeoisie and class collaboration/corporatism. They're the epitome of fascism.

Comrade #138672
21st September 2012, 00:21
What this one does not get deleted for being one-liner and the other one I protested about, which actually contributed to the thread (unlike this one), got deleted?



Marxists still use the same manifesto they did in the 19th century.



You think they have enough popular support to be dangerous?


Unrelated note:

Yay I learned how to quote multiple posts!!!!Yes. Violence is increasing. Remember that the Golden Dawn party has 21 seats atm! They got 7% of the votes. Twice as much as the Communists. I do not like to admit this, but they seem to be better at organizing than us atm. We should really start taking this more seriously and do something about it. I mean better organizing.

Maybe I'm paying too much attention to these people lately, but they're frightening as hell. They really take their Ideology seriously, how "hilarious" it may be. We should take them seriously, because they will have the advantage if we don't.


“Only one thing could have broken our movement – if our enemies had understood its principle and from the first day had smashed the nucleus of our movement with extreme brutality.”

(Adolf Hitler, 1933)Hitler was able to achieve victory partly because people didn't take him seriously enough. German Communists had already claimed victory. Hitler used this in his advantage...

The Cheshire Cat
21st September 2012, 20:37
I disagree i think it is very impressive. Honestly it's the best piece of fascist writing i've ever seen, it seems that Golden Dawn have a very clear picture of what their historic role is, of note is their putting themselves forward as a third position, use of left rhetoric to gain support from proletarians, their appeals to the petit-bourgeoisie and class collaboration/corporatism. They're the epitome of fascism.

I have not read much fascist articles, but in all the fascist articles I have read, mostly modern party pieces like this, they often describe themselves as a third option. And I am not sure what you mean with left retorics, but the nazi's already called themselves national-socialist, and is corporatism not just part of fascism, thus present in all of fascism? Once again, I have not read much fascist articles, but I can't see how it is so different from other contemporary fascist articles and what makes it so special.

TheRedAnarchist23
21st September 2012, 22:29
Yes. Violence is increasing. Remember that the Golden Dawn party has 21 seats atm! They got 7% of the votes. Twice as much as the Communists. I do not like to admit this, but they seem to be better at organizing than us atm. We should really start taking this more seriously and do something about it. I mean better organizing.

You forget many leftists don't vote. In Portugal 40% of the population did not vote.


Maybe I'm paying too much attention to these people lately, but they're frightening as hell. They really take their Ideology seriously, how "hilarious" it may be. We should take them seriously, because they will have the advantage if we don't.

People don't vote for fascist/nazi parties because of their absurd politics, they vote for them because they either feel only that party can bring order, or because they want the imigrants out.

Ocean Seal
21st September 2012, 23:01
I think they forgot the part: "We are paganists but because lot's of our voters are Christian Orthodox and they believe in the quote: " Country, Religion, Family", we let it flow in the air that we are Christian Orthodox too even though we believe in Zeus because he's ancient GREEK GOD and not like Jesus who's jew and traitor of the country (even though Jesus had nothing to do with Greece at that time)".

Yeah! I believe the left and right wings are hypocritical not GD for god's sake...... :cursing:
Lol Jesus betrayed Greece.

Aurora
21st September 2012, 23:21
I have not read much fascist articles, but in all the fascist articles I have read, mostly modern party pieces like this, they often describe themselves as a third option. And I am not sure what you mean with left retorics, but the nazi's already called themselves national-socialist, and is corporatism not just part of fascism, thus present in all of fascism? Once again, I have not read much fascist articles, but I can't see how it is so different from other contemporary fascist articles and what makes it so special.

You're right what they say is similar to other groups, I think what i was getting at is that they are different from what i'm more familiar with, bonehead gangs like C18 and Blood and Honour, the Golden Dawn aren't a fringe group unconnected to a class movement but an organic expression of the class struggle in Greece. I guess that's what struck me, they aren't just empty words but the program of a real movement capable of rallying support and gaining power.

Positivist
22nd September 2012, 00:13
I have not read much fascist articles, but in all the fascist articles I have read, mostly modern party pieces like this, they often describe themselves as a third option. And I am not sure what you mean with left retorics, but the nazi's already called themselves national-socialist, and is corporatism not just part of fascism, thus present in all of fascism? Once again, I have not read much fascist articles, but I can't see how it is so different from other contemporary fascist articles and what makes it so special.

A lot of fascist pieces these days lack the economic dimension of corporatism and simply substitute mystical hate-talk for the ideology.

feather canyons
22nd September 2012, 05:14
No 2 is the scariest one. "the ultimate goal of forming a new society and a new type of man." What the hell does that mean??

The Cheshire Cat
23rd September 2012, 09:58
You're right what they say is similar to other groups, I think what i was getting at is that they are different from what i'm more familiar with, bonehead gangs like C18 and Blood and Honour, the Golden Dawn aren't a fringe group unconnected to a class movement but an organic expression of the class struggle in Greece. I guess that's what struck me, they aren't just empty words but the program of a real movement capable of rallying support and gaining power.

In that case I agree 100%. This is not some gang of racist agressive youths, the Golden Dawn is a real political movement. And a good organized one too. They do form a great threat and they should be dealt with in one way or another.

Comrades Unite!
23rd September 2012, 16:47
No 2 is the scariest one. "the ultimate goal of forming a new society and a new type of man." What the hell does that mean??

I presume that it means to turn Greece into a national autarky with a propaganda fueled idiot to follow.

Mather
25th September 2012, 05:22
The Golden Dawn seem to be a fascist party that is much closer to the traditional fascism of the 1930s than that of the modern western European far-right. This is evident in both their rhetoric and programme.

Their racism, anti-semitism, blood and soil mysticism and leader prinicple (Fuhrerprinzip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip)) are all classic nazi policies. The Golden Dawn combine this with classical fascist concepts such as the human body being an analogy for the state and how the different classes (workers and capitalists) cannot struggle against each other, much as the various organs of the body can't. They also seem to be big on corporatism, third positionism, autarky and they don't even pretend to support bourgeois democracy and advocate outright dictatorship. All of this makes the Golden Dawn different from far-right populists like Jean-Marie Le Pen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen), Geert Wilders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders) and Umberto Bossi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Bossi). Whilst these far-right populists are reactionary, they do not stand in outright opposition to bourgeois democracy and it's norms in the same way that the Golden Dawn does.

As if this is not bad enough, the Golden Dawn have been gaining support in some recent opinion polls.

Os Cangaceiros
25th September 2012, 05:47
Hasn't Golden Dawn been getting something like over 20 percent overall support in some latest polls? That's definitely a solid core of support to work off. I wouldn't guess that traditional fascism would have any sort of pull in this day and age, but I guess I'm wrong...

Trap Queen Voxxy
25th September 2012, 05:54
The social nationalist movement of GOLDEN DAWN finds itself at the frontline of the struggle against the nation-killing memorandum and the sinful regime of the parties that consist the political establishment. We fight against altering our racial demographics by the millions of illegal immigrants, and the dissolution of the Greek society promoted by both the coalition parties and the so-called left. We propose a national strategy so that we can overcome the crisis imposed on our country. We are struggling for a Greece which belongs to the Greeks.


http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/Ougaat2/Boxxy%20and%20other%20boxes/boxxy_no_gif1.gif

I see what you did there, the old switcheroo, fantastic, damnt.

Sea
25th September 2012, 08:17
Jesus christ.

Remember back in the good ol' days, when Europe was only haunted by one specter at a time?