Golden Dawn Nazis attack legal immigrants.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhAC2iVk1hk&feature=g-all-u

Immigrant denounces being attacked by Golden Dawn even if he shows them his papers which prove his legality.

[Philosophos]

And the best part is that after the first elections Michaloliakos was saying: All the illegal immigrants out of my country, out of my home... "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-plSgq461Pw

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Same shit the fascists are usually up to, not much new.

(Am just going on the title, didn't understand the OP's video as it was not in English)

[Delenda Carthago]

Same shit the fascists are usually up to, not much new.

(Am just going on the title, didn't understand the OP's video as it was not in English)

Whats "new" is that in that occation, because GD is now in the Parliament, they had cops following them "not able to do anything about it"(as if...). Something that lead the Minister of Public Order to remove them from GD security.:ohmy:

[maskerade]

Disgusting. though I dont like the distinction made between legal and illegal immigrants. On an abstract level, aren't we all immigrants?

the European Union essentially dumps immigrants in the member state through which the immigrant entered the union. this is usually Greece, and considering the economic state of the country it seems like the EU is purposefully creating this antagonistic situation by fueling the ongoing ghettofication that this dehumanizing system brings. I think it's extremely important to remember that the whole 'free movement of labour within the union' dogma that the EU apologists regurgitate is a well constructed lie - if you come from outside the Union, in practice you're no longer human.

[Delenda Carthago]

Disgusting. though I dont like the distinction made between legal and illegal immigrants. On an abstract level, aren't we all immigrants?



Yeah... No.


Immigrants are in a 10 times worst condition than us.

[maskerade]

Yeah... No.


Immigrants are in a 10 times worst condition than us.

Of course. hence 'abstract'. i meant more in the sense that this primordial idea that nations are somehow natural is completely false and that every single human settlement is the result of immigration.

but maybe it was a bit of a useless point to make

[REDSOX]

These attacks are now commonplace in Greece even in daylight with the cops and the authorities doing little about it beyond rhetorical condemnation that is(surprise surprise!!). The states policies of harrasing immigrants and rounding them up and putting them in camps only encourages the golden dawn vermin!!. Time for self defense groups to be formed i think linking the immigrants and others i think if this has not happened already.

[Comrade #138672]

Isn't the party getting bigger?

[Comrades Unite!]

I defiantly think that leftist defense groups need to be formed in Greece, Something akin to the Irish Citizen Army set up by James Connolly.

We need to defend people against these barbarian scum!

[Will Scarlet]

Of course. hence 'abstract'. i meant more in the sense that this primordial idea that nations are somehow natural is completely false and that every single human settlement is the result of immigration.

but maybe it was a bit of a useless point to make
It was a good point.
Nazis attacking 'legal' immingrants is not surprising, they hate foreigners regardless of what documents they may or may not have, and also it is not somehow worse. Before they were attacking only illegal immigrants, but now they've gone too far? No. There is no distinction.

[Comrade #138672]

That StormFront site is really frightening. 2000+ active users atm. I wish we had that many active users.

[#FF0000]

Yeah how many of them are trolls though?

[Comrade #138672]

Yeah how many of them are trolls though?I'm not sure. Even if these extremist forums attract more trolls than other forums, then they would probably still represent a minority. Depending on your definition of a "troll" though.

[Apostolo]

The reality is that here in Greece we have many immigrants, maybe about 3M, half of them are illegal and every day others cross the borders. Of course i hate these criminals of golden dawn and i afraid of a possible increase of their popularity but the government must do something about immigration. Under capitalism we can't live all together with the crisis we have.

[Comrades Unite!]

The reality is that here in Greece we have many immigrants, maybe about 3M, half of them are illegal and every day others cross the borders. Of course i hate these criminals of golden dawn and i afraid of a possible increase of their popularity but the government must do something about immigration. Under capitalism we can't live all together with the crisis we have.

Are you trying to imply that government need to stop Immigration or something?
I may simply be mis-reading your statement, but something is off.

The Immigrants are workers just like any other, Something must be done about Golden Dawn and not Immigration.

[Apostolo]

Are you trying to imply that government need to stop Immigration or something?
I may simply be mis-reading your statement, but something is off.

The Immigrants are workers just like any other, Something must be done about Golden Dawn and not Immigration.


Yes, i mean what you understood. Of course immigrants are workers and i have no problem with their exist. If the country could feed them as it happened during 90s where many albanians came here or early 00s where workers from Pakistan, Algeria etc came here. You don't live here and you don't how the things are. Many of them live under very bad conditions. 15 people in a very small house. Employers treat them. The give them 150-200 euros per month without any security. Do you see it as good? Now, the country can't feed the natives, how could Greece feed and the foreigners?

The problem for me is the capitalism. The way it works. If we built socialism, i would have no problem for foreigners being here, but we have capitalism, they don't live well, so do we. Countries like Australia, Finland, Germany, France, Sweden should accept these men, who don't have financial crisis.

And something last, entering a country illegally is not right, when we wanted workers we asked for them. Many worked for the metro of Athens or the olympic games, we asked them and they worked, but under this tragical condition of the country we can't have other immigrants.

[Apostolo]

And of course government must try to prevent the actions of Golden Dawn, as i said above they are criminals. See the similarity with Germany of 30s.

A destroyed state, humiliated which owes too much. System born these Nazis.

[The Cheshire Cat]

And something last, entering a country illegally is not right, when we wanted workers we asked for them.

I migt understand it wrong, but I don't think this is relevant, or correct. People want and must not only exist but also live, satisfy their needs. When they can't accomplish that in their own country, they should try to get it somewhere else. Borders, nations and countries should be completely ignored. If there are too mant immigrants in a country to a point where it has become impossible to satisfy their needs, you should concentrate to improve the conditions in their homeland so people don't have to emmigrate.

[Red Commissar]

Countries like Australia, Finland, Germany, France, Sweden should accept these men, who don't have financial crisis.

Funny thing is, the anti-immigrant politics in those countries, at least the ones in Europe, tend to blame Greece for allowing too many immigrants to come to their countries easier and burdening their services. "Mass immigration" is the buzzword among those bigots, and Greece factors in a lot in their skewed perception.

Immigration is being used as a means to distract people from the real economic issues, as it has always been. Supporting this viewpoint only strengthens groups like Golden Dawn I think.

[Philosophos]

People in Greece believe that immigrants are something bad for Greece because they rob, mug etc etc. What they don't get is that these are humans that are going to rob you if they don't have something to eat. Immigration is "out of control" because there are no measures for taking care even the legal immigrants that inform you :"Hey I'm coming to your country do something so I can get a job, a place to stay so I won't be a burden to you" just imagine what happens with illegal immigrants.

At the same time there are no jobs around neither for greek nor immigrants (unless the immigrants work for like 4 euros per day) so people tend to become outlaws because they can't survive. The trick of the media is that whenever somebody steals something and he's greek they never say: "A greek man stole this and that and caused... etc etc" they say that there was a robbery by someone. Whenever an immigrant (or a person with different nationality) commits a crime they start saying: " A romanian broke into the house or 3 corrupted Albanians or Bulgarians killed... etc etc" so people start memorizing: "Only the immigrants are commiting crimes get them out of the country".

Finally OFCOURSE IMMIGRATION IS A DISTRACTION! I had 6 friends (not one or two six) that when they were in the army they served in Evros (a river that is the boarders between Greece and Turkey). All of them mentioned that whenever they were guarding the place about 50-100 immigrants were passing illegaly the boarders. When that happened by enstict they raised their guns so they will tell them to stop, but the old soldiers that were more experienced told them: "Let them go, this is an order from the big-heads."

Anyway the thing with immigration is that there is a huge and well organised propaganda behind it and people that can't put their mind to work fail to understand that there is something even bigger behind it.