What to do about a Nazi?

[Athenry]

Someone I've seen around a bit in my small town, a friend of a friend, I have him on Facebook. In the past couple of weeks he's gone all out, posting swastikas everywhere, saying 'heil mein fuhrer' and changing his 'religious views' to Nazi.

See I can't tell whether he's being serious or just joking, I can't tell whether he actually supports Nazi ideologies or whether he's just trying to offend people.

If he's being serious I will try to deal with the situation and stop it from continuing. But how do I find out? I can't really ask him right out. I don't want to do anything I will regret if he's not serious.

[StalinInAScarf]

"14/88 Brother" through a PM.


If he responds back, "Wut?", then you have your answer.

[Камо́ Зэд]

"14/88 Brother" through a PM.


If he responds back, "Wut?", then you have your answer.

This is the smartest thing I've ever read on RevLeft. I second enthusiastically.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Yeah, try to bait him per PM as above user said. If he responds with nazi lingo bullshit and seems like knows a bit, play along but try to push your social justice views on him, try to move him to the left at least a bit. If he seems stupid, then tell him that you are a traditional National Socialist of the SA tradition and don't like fascist war mongering and classisst post-1934 capitalists' tool NSDAP.

That's all the moves i can think of to rattle at the guy's ideological foundation away from capital-fascism and towards worker-socialism. Make him come off the discussion that there are two supposed nazi movement (which is not far from the truth in fact) that you are a traditional SA Nazi and not a fascist Nazi, a nazi for social justice not fascist thug for the industrialist's profit off of workers exploitation. Try to shake at his ideological foundation, don't confron the racism directly though, if he does not stray away from that through real life experiences and a little thinking by himself, the only solution to handle them is the wall.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Or you can just kick him in the teeth!

[Камо́ Зэд]

Wait, when in the actual fuck were Nazis ever not fascist?

[Yuppie Grinder]

Mess with Nazi's heads for kicks like I do. It's not very hard to do and it can be a lot of fun.
Have I told ya'll about the time me and some bros of mine spent our afternoon infiltrating stormfront and then posting gay inter-racial porn in a thread titled "Pictures of Beautiful Aryan Children"? That was a good time.
In all seriousness don't let the Nazis bother you they've ruined themselves along time ago.

[jookyle]

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[James Connolly]

Wait, when in the actual fuck were Nazis ever not fascist?
I think they were a genuine middle class laborers' party under the Strasser brothers, but were eventually pushed out of influence by Hitler's pro-big business policies.

Many modern Nazis follow the Strasser tradition, and some even denounce Hitler all together.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I think they were a genuine middle class laborers' party under the Strasser brothers, but were eventually pushed out of influence by Hitler's pro-big business policies.

Many modern Nazis follow the Strasser tradition, and some even denounce Hitler all together.

Strasserism is still fascism. Syncretic politics is the most important element of fascism.

[Rugged Collectivist]

What to do about a Nazi? Not much unless they organize. Maybe counter his bullshit Facebook posts so other people can't be lured in.


Strasserism is still fascism. Syncretic politics is the most important element of fascism.

What exactly do you mean by "Syncretic politics"? If you mean class collaboration, that's pretty much a part of all bourgeois political belief systems.

[Yuppie Grinder]

What to do about a Nazi? Not much unless they organize. Maybe counter his bullshit Facebook posts so other people can't be lured in.



What exactly do you mean by "Syncretic politics"? If you mean class collaboration, that's pretty much a part of all bourgeois political belief systems.

In practice it means co-opting bits of rhetoric and promises from the revolutionary left while still appealing to conservative values.

[Rational Radical]

Most of those neonazis are just poor,uneducated "rebels" who cling to something they see as an alternative to their miserable situation as a member of the working class. I think you can co-opt him by explaining that the use of bigotry and commptetition on the market between ethnicities only help the capitalists and solidarity among all workers can bring about a bette future. Bring up the fact that white capitalists exploit white workers and they don't share any "aryan connection" no matter how blue their eyes or or blond their hair is. Get some info on him,question him and push your views on him as others have said.

[Crux]

Yeah, try to bait him per PM as above user said. If he responds with nazi lingo bullshit and seems like knows a bit, play along but try to push your social justice views on him, try to move him to the left at least a bit. If he seems stupid, then tell him that you are a traditional National Socialist of the SA tradition and don't like fascist war mongering and classisst post-1934 capitalists' tool NSDAP.

That's all the moves i can think of to rattle at the guy's ideological foundation away from capital-fascism and towards worker-socialism. Make him come off the discussion that there are two supposed nazi movement (which is not far from the truth in fact) that you are a traditional SA Nazi and not a fascist Nazi, a nazi for social justice not fascist thug for the industrialist's profit off of workers exploitation. Try to shake at his ideological foundation, don't confron the racism directly though, if he does not stray away from that through real life experiences and a little thinking by himself, the only solution to handle them is the wall.
Fuck no. Strasserism is in no shape or form better than other forms of fascism, it is *not* a stop on a station away from fascism. Traditional SA were just as anti-semitic and anti-left as the rest of them. As you might be aware they were the ones most involved in the actual street fighting and killing of left-wingers. The fact that you seem to think there was a "better" of nazism is extremely alarming.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Fuck no. Strasserism is in no shape or form better than other forms of fascism, it is *not* a stop on a station away from fascism. Traditional SA were just as anti-semitic and anti-left as the rest of them. As you might be aware they were the ones most involved in the actual street fighting and killing of left-wingers. The fact that you seem to think there was a "better" of nazism is extremely alarming.

No! I don't see them better at all, in fact they were of course the actual fascists! But there is quite a bit of controversy about the murdering of the SA fascists. You know how Trotskyists vs. Stalinists have divided the communist movement the last sixty years? If the nazis accuse each other of not being "real nazis" ( which i have heard from nazis and was hilariously contradicting to his previous vile statements) the NS movement can be split apart. On the individual level, look at it this way: when people enter RevLeft they see confusing bickering and sectarian camps, if stupid "rebel" teenagers who think the aesthetic of nazis looked cool, encounter the same kind of sectarian bullshit (and especially if one part accuses the other of not being social enough) they will be put off. Thanks for the negative rating btw... you honestly think i see fascists S progresssive? My god, the point was that seeing as most online nazis are stupid, he could act as if he knows more about the subject and confuse him and make him think one camp of the nazis deplores the Hitlerites of being capitalist sell outs.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

...which is the truth.

It's NOT to me about making the SA look any better, it's about using it as a NS dividing tool.

[Thirsty Crow]

What to do about a Nazi? Not much unless they organize.
And we have a winner here.

Really, why do you think it is necessary to enagage every stupind bonehead (though 'f course he needn't be a bonehead) in a slightly veiled conversion attempt?

Though what Amadeo said was really funny. Go mess with his head if you feel like it. Though it is clear as day that so called Strasserism represented a kind of fascism as well, you can exploit it for this purpose as others have noted.

[Sea]

This is the smartest thing I've ever read on RevLeft. I second enthusiastically.Don't worry. We'll lower your standards eventually. :p

[Crux]

No! I don't see them better at all, in fact they were of course the actual fascists! But there is quite a bit of controversy about the murdering of the SA fascists. You know how Trotskyists vs. Stalinists have divided the communist movement the last sixty years? If the nazis accuse each other of not being "real nazis" ( which i have heard from nazis and was hilariously contradicting to his previous vile statements) the NS movement can be split apart. On the individual level, look at it this way: when people enter RevLeft they see confusing bickering and sectarian camps, if stupid "rebel" teenagers who think the aesthetic of nazis looked cool, encounter the same kind of sectarian bullshit (and especially if one part accuses the other of not being social enough) they will be put off. Thanks for the negative rating btw... you honestly think i see fascists S progresssive? My god, the point was that seeing as most online nazis are stupid, he could act as if he knows more about the subject and confuse him and make him think one camp of the nazis deplores the Hitlerites of being capitalist sell outs.
No, man. If you want the fash to go stab each other again, spread rumours about them fucking each others girlfriends or something. Or just sell them speed cut with strychnine. Or wait, don't do that. Selling speed is illegal.

[officer nugz]

honestly there's nothing really worth doing about that.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Post the Woody Allen video on his page and see how he responds.

That was a great clip! If you could distill all of Woody Allen's movies and plays down to like 4 works, I think they'd probably be the best pieces of art ever made... spread out over 30 films though and meh, ups and downs.

[Igor]

Have a nazi theme party with him you can have like nazi napkins and shit it'll be a blast

[Камо́ Зэд]

Have a nazi theme party with him you can have like nazi napkins and shit it'll be a blast

This is the smartest thing I've ever read on RevLeft.

[James Connolly]

Strasserism is still fascism. Syncretic politics is the most important element of fascism.
So why did Third International align with the Nazis against the Social Democratic SPD, whom they referred to as Social Fascists. That seems to suggest the KDP didn't recognize the Nazis as Fascists, and Ernst Thalmann even said "after Hitler, our turn." Meaning he thought the Nazis would adhere to Liberal Democratic values of Germany, and give up their seats after their term was up seeing that they'd lose popularity.

[RedSickle]

"14/88 Brother" through a PM.


If he responds back, "Wut?", then you have your answer.


Don't do this if you're not white

[znk666]

Wait was he putting up Swastikas on facebook or in public places?
If this was all on facebook,he's most likely either joking or his account may have been hacked.

[Anarchocommunaltoad]

Brain toss em in the air..Yahtzee

[Avanti]

with a good iron bar

you'll beat the world

with surprise

[Luís Henrique]

I think they were a genuine middle class laborers' party under the Strasser brothers, but were eventually pushed out of influence by Hitler's pro-big business policies.

Many modern Nazis follow the Strasser tradition, and some even denounce Hitler all together.

Argh.

That "genuine middle class labourers' party"'s main business was to physically attack communists and social democrats.

Not all fascists are equal, of course, but all fascists are fascists and all fascists are enemies of the working class.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

So why did Third International align with the Nazis against the Social Democratic SPD, whom they referred to as Social Fascists. That seems to suggest the KDP didn't recognize the Nazis as Fascists, and Ernst Thalmann even said "after Hitler, our turn." Meaning...

... that Stalinists are that stupid.

Luís Henrique

[GoddessCleoLover]

That stupid, and even more so. Having learned nothing from the Third Period fiasco, Stalin concluded Der Pakt with the Nazis.

[Luc]

edit: nevermind Gramsci Guy corrected me

[GoddessCleoLover]

Actually, the SPD was no longer Germany's ruling party by the time of the "Third Period". Germany's president, von Hindenburg was elected to the German presidency in the mid-1920s against a candidate supported by the SPD. The last three German chancellors prior to Hitler, Bruening, von Papen, and von Schliecher was also not Social Democrats.

[Luc]

Actually, the SPD was no longer Germany's ruling party by the time of the "Third Period". Germany's president, von Hindenburg was elected to the German presidency in the mid-1920s against a candidate supported by the SPD. The last three German chancellors prior to Hitler, Bruening, von Papen, and von Schliecher was also not Social Democrats.

lol im embarassed :lol:

[GoddessCleoLover]

No reason for embarrassment.

[Avanti]

what do about the nazi

what do about the nazi

what do about the nazi

early in the morning

throw throw

throw pretzels at him

throw throw

throw pretzels at him

early in the morning

drag drag

drag his pants down

drag drag

drag his pants down

early in the morning

tickle tickle

tickle him with feathers

tickle tickle

tickle him with feathers

early in the morning

paint paint

paint funny symbols

paint paint

paint funny symbols

all over his underpants

put put

put onions in his armpits

put put

put onions in his armpits

early in the morning

smear smear

smear lipstick over his face

smear smear

smear lipstick over his face

early in the morning

shave shave

shave off his eyebrows

shave shave

shave off his eyebrows

early in the morning

chop chop

chop his arms off

chop chop

chop his arms off

early in the morning

put put

put him on fire

put put

put him on fire

early in the morning

eat eat

eat his eyeballs

eat eat

eat his eyeballs

early in the morning

fry fry

fry his penis

fry fry

fry his penis

early in the morning

enter enter

enter a pole in his bum

enter enter

enter a pole in his bum

early in the morning

raise raise

raise him up high

raise raise

raise him up high

early in the morning

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

what do about the nazi

what do about the nazi

what do about the nazi

early in the morning


I'm guessing that the Irish Rovers are secretly Nazis... right?

[Zostrianos]

I just had something similar happen to me a week ago. This guy I met through an ancient history group on Facebook (he had added me, we had had some interesting discussions for a few months, so whatever), suddenly changed his profile photo to a picture of Fasces. I thought that was creepy, but kinda forgot about it soon after - there were no other abnormal pictures in his albums then. He had something like "conservative monarchy" as his political views if I recall. Yesterday, he changes his picture again, this time for the SS skull. I went through his album again, and he also had the SS thunderbolts in there. I unfriended him right after.

I've had suspicions about the guy for a few weeks now, aside from the pictures. He's posted some things on his status that got me wondering (when Hindu nationalist Bal Thackeray died, he wrote an ode to him), but I couldn't be sure. Well now I know.

[ChiefTiburon]

I find they aren't hard to mess with. Any nazi with at least a drop of intelligence can potentially see the light though, so to speak. But that's a minority within the nazi population. But to answer your question, if the encounter is peaceful then use logic. If its violent use force. That's about all you can do.

[Comrade Nasser]

They really aren't hard to mess with to be honest. I mean once you've met one of those nazi scumbags you've pretty much met all of them. I have had to get violent with them on numerous occasions because there is no reasoning with those people whatsoever, they are stuck in their fascist world view. I would personally just ignore the fascist but if he starts spouting his rhetoric in public, that's when you confront them and "Bash the Fash" :)

[Someone and Nobody]

I find they aren't hard to mess with. Any nazi with at least a drop of intelligence can potentially see the light though, so to speak. But that's a minority within the nazi population. But to answer your question, if the encounter is peaceful then use logic. If its violent use force. That's about all you can do.


I was once a Nazi.

And the mistake alot of people make is that "all Nazi's are dumb", while some are, some arent and thinking this way when countering them can backfire, if a Nazi is smart, you have to use intelligent debate to make someone see what you're saying, if you just treat them as "being dumb as they're Nazis" you can end up not getting through at all and make them just think you're an "arrogant patronising tosser".

I am not blowing my own trumpet here, but I do consider myself to have some sort of intelligance, back when I was a Nazi, I knew more about politics and history than most people I came into contact with.

Also the misconception that "All Nazis are cowards" aswell, I can say from experience, I'd fight outnumbered against people physically stronger than me and sometimes give them a right pasting, I used (used to, dont get offended) too think Anti-fascists were "poofs who fought 10 against 1."

[Comrade Nasser]

I'm sorry dude... But you used to be a fascist! Thanks for joining our side. I agree with you that not all Nazis are "dumb" and that's what makes them dangerous. And about the whole jumping you without a fair fight and out-numbering you... I've actually seen quite the opposite. It's usually a bunch of Nazi scumbags berating and sometimes attacking an immigrant who is minding Their own business. Besides I'm pretty sure the Nazis are what, 0.00001% of the population? I'm pretty sure the other 99% even if they are not leftists, aren't racist pricks filled with blind hate and rage that is directed at minorities. I believe the reason these people are Nazis are low self-esteem, lack of sexual activity, had bad experiences with a minority, come from a broken household, or inherited it from their parents.

[bcbm]

And the mistake alot of people make is that "all Nazi's are dumb", while some are, some arent and thinking this way when countering them can backfire, if a Nazi is smart, you have to use intelligent debate to make someone see what you're saying, if you just treat them as "being dumb as they're Nazis" you can end up not getting through at all and make them just think you're an "arrogant patronising tosser".

talking with nazis seems like a waste of time anyway, dumb or not.


And about the whole jumping you without a fair fight and out-numbering you... I've actually seen quite the opposite. It's usually a bunch of Nazi scumbags berating and sometimes attacking an immigrant who is minding Their own business.

nah antifa will definitely jump nazis with uneven numbers but who cares



Besides I'm pretty sure the Nazis are what, 0.00001% of the population? I'm pretty sure the other 99% even if they are not leftists, aren't racist pricks filled with blind hate and rage that is directed at minorities. I believe the reason these people are Nazis are low self-esteem, lack of sexual activity, had bad experiences with a minority, come from a broken household, or inherited it from their parents.

no i dont think so

[Comrade Nasser]

talking with nazis seems like a waste of time anyway, dumb or not.



nah antifa will definitely jump nazis with uneven numbers but who cares




no i dont think so

Ehh... Who cares? Scum is scum. And yes, at times Antifa will jump the Nazis with uneven numbers. We can't help it, we out-number them by a great amount :D

[Someone and Nobody]

I'm sorry dude... But you used to be a fascist! Thanks for joining our side. I agree with you that not all Nazis are "dumb" and that's what makes them dangerous. And about the whole jumping you without a fair fight and out-numbering you... I've actually seen quite the opposite. It's usually a bunch of Nazi scumbags berating and sometimes attacking an immigrant who is minding Their own business. Besides I'm pretty sure the Nazis are what, 0.00001% of the population? I'm pretty sure the other 99% even if they are not leftists, aren't racist pricks filled with blind hate and rage that is directed at minorities. I believe the reason these people are Nazis are low self-esteem, lack of sexual activity, had bad experiences with a minority, come from a broken household, or inherited it from their parents.

I aint disagreeing with what you have to say, simply saying what I experianced.

I was from a broken home, white working class and angry at the world.

There is an anger inside that still burns, however, now I realise it was directed at the wrong people as there is people at the bottom of society of all ethnicities and types.

[Comrade_Ramirez]

Sit in a car in front of his house and blast the Internationale until he comes out where you proceed to beat him up with a bat with a nail sticking out of it.

[Comrade Nasser]

Well you're on our side now dude! Cheer up, we have communism and anarchy :D