"Free Pussy Riot" written in blood at Russian murder scene

[Ocean Seal]

Thoughts?
Me personally I find that this is most likely just a random killer who wanted to draw attention away from himself (and make it appear to have a political motive) and most likely knew the victims personally.

[Robespierres Neck]

Whenever I read or see videos set in Russia these days, I reflect on old times and just think 'poor mother Russia...' :(

I'm assuming it was most likely what you've stated. I doubt that Pussy Riot would agree to using murder as a political protest.

[Камо́ Зэд]

I only saw "Free Pussy Riot" in the subject heading at first, so I clicked on the link. You can imagine my disappointment. In any case, I wonder if maybe the killer involved wasn't seriously disturbed. It's given one has to be disturbed to get to the point of murdering a human being in cold blood, but the words in question are especially bizarre given their context.

[Rottenfruit]

Thoughts?
Me personally I find that this is most likely just a random killer who wanted to draw attention away from himself (and make it appear to have a political motive) and most likely knew the victims personally.
Could be suicide, could be a mentally ill person who killed a person and wrote it with the victims blood it reminds of a case in Iceland where i live where a mentally ill person went to a random person house killed him and used his blood to draw messages and he was reciving orders by telepathy from the beatles and the red army faction to kill that person.

Yes this was not a person faking insanity, this was a man who had a clinical history of paranoid scizhophernia with violent tendencys ( he reciving telepathic orders to kill) he had been in mental insustutions most of his life and before this happend due to budget cuts in the health care system he was let go against doctors wishes he stop taking his medicine and yeah did that.

[Sasha]

Probably what rottenfruit said but I also don't put it past some extremist asshole in the Russian police to stage it, not the murder, but the free pussyriot in blood bit.

[Igor]

Whenever I read or see videos set in Russia these days, I reflect on old times and just think 'poor mother Russia...' :(

I'm assuming it was most likely what you've stated. I doubt that Pussy Riot would agree to using murder as a political protest.

Hahahaha are you for real

[rednordman]

I fucking hate this band right now. Sorry, just they seem to be getting the whole worlds sympathy for doing something stupid that they knew they would get done for. Also they haven't really achieved much by doing what they did, all they have highlighted is that in Russia, you get fucked for slagging off the government while defecating a church at the same time. Is Russia seriously the only country in the world where that will happen? come on:rolleyes:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The OP neglects to include a link of any kind?


I fucking hate this band right now. Sorry, just they seem to be getting the whole worlds sympathy for doing something stupid that they knew they would get done for.

People should be thrown in jail for "doing something stupid"? Even if they knew the risks, perhaps they considered a price worth paying to highlight an issue that concerns them. Of course, that doesn't make it right that they risk being banged up in a Russian prison for doing so.


Also they haven't really achieved much by doing what they did, all they have highlighted is that in Russia, you get fucked for slagging off the government while defecating a church at the same time.

Defecating? You mean defacing, surely? Also, I thought they were in trouble for interrupting a sermon with their performance, rather than defecating on or defacing anything.

Also, considering the state of the revolutionary left in large parts of the world, complaining about the actions of Pussy Riot for changing nothing brings to mind stone-throwers in glass houses.


Is Russia seriously the only country in the world where that will happen? come on:rolleyes:

Other countries can be just as bad, therefore the Russian state and Orthodox Church is beyond criticism?

[Veovis]

Also they haven't really achieved much by doing what they did, all they have highlighted is that in Russia, you get fucked for slagging off the government while defecating a church at the same time. Is Russia seriously the only country in the world where that will happen? come on:rolleyes:

:blink: Ouch, maybe those girls need some more fiber in their diet.

[Igor]

Also they haven't really achieved much by doing what they did, all they have highlighted is that in Russia, you get fucked for slagging off the government while defecating a church at the same time. Is Russia seriously the only country in the world where that will happen? come on:rolleyes:

And why is highlighting that a bad thing? Of course, for Westerners it's a bit pointless to slag on Russia that much about that kind of shit if they're not willing to recognize problems at home but seriously "it's done elsewhere, too" is not an argument at all. And these women aren't some random Westerners trying to point liberal scores at Russia's expense, they're criticizing this very shit in their own country. Why does the fact that rest of the world isn't much better take any value from this?

[rednordman]

And why is highlighting that a bad thing? Of course, for Westerners it's a bit pointless to slag on Russia that much about that kind of shit if they're not willing to recognize problems at home but seriously "it's done elsewhere, too" is not an argument at all. And these women aren't some random Westerners trying to point liberal scores at Russia's expense, they're criticizing this very shit in their own country. Why does the fact that rest of the world isn't much better take any value from this?Because they are highlighting something that would happen in virtually every country in the world, and strictly akin it to their own. People are only talking ill of Putin's government - Why not talk ill of ALL governments! They would all do the same thing as him in this situation imo. Its all about Russia's particular problem, when alot of other governments would have dished out a very similar punishment for doing what they did. Most people don't seem to see this though.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Because they are highlighting something that would happen in virtually every country in the world, and strictly akin it to their own. People are only talking ill of Putin's government - Why not talk ill of ALL governments! They would all do the same thing as him in this situation imo. Its all about Russia's particular problem, when alot of other governments would have dished out a very similar punishment for doing what they did. Most people don't seem to see this though.

So Pussy Riot (deservedly) condemning Russia's government means they don't oppose other governments doing the same thing? This makes no sense. There's nothing at all to suggest that if this were some American band arrested for "hooliganism" (wtf kind of charge is that, anyway?), they'd be cheerleading for the U.S. government. It just so happens that Putin's regime was the one that was oppressing them directly and threw them in jail. I agree on principle that all governments that act this way deserve just as much condemnation for it, but you're reading far too much into this if you suggest they wouldn't disapprove of other bands in other countries being treated as they have.

What really gets me is the idea that because they 'knew the risk' in doing this, they were somehow asking for the consequences. That line of reasoning is an insult to all the people who have taken serious risks in general strikes or protests and been persecuted or killed for it. Obviously this is a different sort of case, and what they did may not have been a huge catalyst for change or anything more than an attempt to draw the world's attention to the plight of Russia's LGBT community and dissident community in general, but this absolutely is an injustice just as it would be if it happened anywhere else.

You don't need to declare that you "fucking hate this band" in order to be outraged at similar incidents in other parts of the world. This is more of a sign of a pathological urge to defend Russia than one of a sense of unbiased condemnation of discrimination and oppression.

[Ocean Seal]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/us-russia-pussyriot-blood-idUSBRE87T17V20120830
Sorry for the missing link. Anyway, I feel as if people in the west get a bit too philosophical on these discussions. Why don't the Pussy Riot girls talk about the US? Because they don't live here. It is important for workers to reject their own country moreso than to reject other nations for strictly practical purposes. How often do we complain about activists over here neglecting to mention Hu Jin Tao or Putin? Never, because we think in an Americentric way.

Tl;DR Stop being Americentric and workers of all countries unite.

[Igor]

Also seriously, had this happened in the US, how many would go 'abooboo what about russia'? Zero, fucking zero people here would do that, because they're apologetic only for capitalist countries not in the west. Fuck that. Issues in Russia matter and not everything has to be compared to western countries all the time.

[Blake's Baby]

http://libcom.org/blog/pussy-riot-convicted-britain-rails-against-%E2%80%9Cdisproportionate%E2%80%9D-sentence-hypocritically-18082?page=1

is a good piece and discussion about the verdict and the international outcry.

It's just not true to say that there has been silence about the hypocrisy of western governments that condemn such behaviour abroad while practicing it at home; and condemnation of the papers and newschannels that howl for punitive sentences for domestic 'hooligans' while turning those imprisoned abroad into cause celebres. They're all full of shit. If Pussy Riot become international symbols of taking the piss out of the government, what can possibly be wrong with that?

[Zanthorus]

It is important for workers to reject their own country moreso than to reject other nations for strictly practical purposes.

This might be worth discussion in this context, if someone could just explain to me exactly what the connection between this group's stunt and the class struggle is?