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Zostrianos
30th August 2012, 20:56
Paul Ryan got caught bulshitting during his speech at the RNC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111

Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan has come under fire for alleged inaccuracies during his convention debut in Tampa, Florida.
Mr Ryan attacked the president for making cuts to the Medicare healthcare programme, but did not say that his own budget plan includes the same savings.
He complained that proposals by a budget commission were not adopted, but did not mention he opposed its report.
Thursday sees Mitt Romney formally accept the Republican nomination.
Mr Romney's speech to the convention is the challenger's biggest opportunity yet to make his case to the nation and is one of the set-piece events of the US election calendar.
He and Mr Ryan will challenge President Barack Obama and his Vice-President Joe Biden on election day, 6 November.
Facts in dispute In a barnstorming speech to a rapt audience, Mr Ryan promised a "turnaround" for America and said Mr Obama's administration was tired and out of ideas.

The Wisconsin congressman said he and Mitt Romney would not duck the tough issues.
Mr Ryan, who serves as chairman of the House of Representatives Budget Committee, is known as a leading Washington policy "wonk", responsible for the budget plans backed by Mr Romney and Republicans in Congress.
But fact-checkers listening to his speech on Wednesday night quickly alleged that he had been slack with his facts.
On a key area of debate, the future of Medicare, the government-run health programme for over-65s, Mr Ryan accused the White House of slashing $716bn (£450bn) from the much-loved scheme.
But FactCheck.org (http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/), amongst others, said Mr Obama's 2010 healthcare reform law does not cut money from Medicare, but simply reduces the growth in spending on the scheme in an effort to keep it solvent.
In addition, Mr Ryan - who described the Obama plan as "the biggest, coldest, power play of all" - failed to note that he proposed virtually the same cuts in his own budget plans.
Continue reading the main story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111#story_continues_3)
He accused the president of "political patronage" via his $800bn stimulus plan, passed in 2008. However, he neglected in his speech to mention that he sought to procure stimulus dollars for energy firms in his home state of Wisconsin, the Associated Press notes.
The vice-presidential hopeful was also accused of misleading his audience over the timing of the closure of a GM plant in his home town of Janesville, Wisconsin.
That statement earned Mr Ryan a "false" rating from PolitiFact.com (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/), having failed to note that the plant closed under the previous administration of President George W Bush.
The Obama campaign released a web video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ukkJYkANZ98)on Thursday highlighting Mr Ryan's contentious statements, and dubbing him the "wrong choice for the middle class".
'We will lead'
Despite the arguments over Mr Ryan's choice of facts, his speech won a rousing reception from the audience in Tampa.

Wisconsin delegates on Paul Ryan

The 42-year-old Wisconsin congressman, already a seven-term Washington veteran, is a hugely popular figure for many conservatives in the Republican fold because of his determination to take a hard line on fiscal issues facing the US.
Correspondents say the choice of Mr Ryan has made Mitt Romney's candidacy more palatable to conservatives who doubted his credentials during a long primary process.
He tore into the president on Wednesday night, accusing him of running out of ideas and waging a negative campaign.
"Fear and division are all they've got left," he said, adding: "Now all that's left is a presidency adrift, surviving on slogans that already seem tired, grasping at a moment that has already passed.
"We will not duck the tough issues - we will lead," Mr Ryan said. "We will not spend four years blaming others - we will take responsibility.

John McCain lambasted the president's foreign policy

"The work ahead will be hard. These times demand the best of us - all of us - but we can do this."
In one of the biggest applause lines of the night, Mr Ryan said: "College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life."
He pledged that a Romney-Ryan administration would create 12 million American jobs in its first term and cap federal spending at 20% of gross domestic product.
Speaking earlier, Senator McCain lambasted the Obama foreign policy, saying the president was not true to American values, and that he had abandoned Syria's people to a "savage and unfair fight".
"The demand for our leadership in the world has never been greater," the senator said. "People don't want less of America. They want more."
Condoleezza Rice says the Romney-Ryan ticket know how to maintain US leadership abroadFormer Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice praised the Republican ticket in a speech that made no overt mention of President Obama."Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will rebuild us at home and inspire us to lead abroad," she said. "They will provide an answer to the question, 'where does America stand?"' President Obama's re-nomination will be confirmed next week at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Igor
30th August 2012, 20:58
Are you telling me bougie politicians lie? maaaaaan

Zostrianos
30th August 2012, 20:59
THey usually lie by making promises they later won't keep. This is a lot better

Sasha
30th August 2012, 21:16
Even foxnews laid waste to his speech: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
Unless rmoney gets some divine assistance tonight Obama is our enemy again the coming 4 years...

Prometeo liberado
30th August 2012, 21:23
I haven't seen this level of total hate and elitist stupidity since the Reagan era. At the very least if Romney wins everyday will be a good news day.

Zostrianos
30th August 2012, 21:26
Even foxnews laid waste to his speech: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
Unless rmoney gets some divine assistance tonight Obama is our enemy again the coming 4 years...

Still, better Obama than the Republicans

Positivist
30th August 2012, 22:00
Still, better Obama than the Republicans

Well...

MEGAMANTROTSKY
30th August 2012, 22:11
Still, better Obama than the Republicans
Aside from some cosmetic issues, there isn't really any difference between them.

Zostrianos
30th August 2012, 22:14
Republicans tend to be homophobic religious fundamentalists. You rarely find that with democrats; they're more progressive on social issues.

Lenina Rosenweg
30th August 2012, 22:18
The Dems will find it harder to play the "politics of lesser evilism" card though.

There is a theory kicking around that if Barry is reelected elements of the far right, petty bourgeois elements whipped into a frenzy of paranoid hatred, may see themselves as doomed and lash out in violent assaults against liberals, lgbt people and especially African-Americans. We could see an increase in hate crimes.

X5N
31st August 2012, 00:40
A bourgeois politician, a Republican especially, is a liar and a hypocrite? You've got to be shitting me.

MEGAMANTROTSKY
31st August 2012, 00:51
The Dems will find it harder to play the "politics of lesser evilism" card though.

There is a theory kicking around that if Barry is reelected elements of the far right, petty bourgeois elements whipped into a frenzy of paranoid hatred, may see themselves as doomed and lash out in violent assaults against liberals, lgbt people and especially African-Americans. We could see an increase in hate crimes.
Interesting. I haven't heard of this before. Could you point me toward a site that contains an exposition of this theory?

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
31st August 2012, 00:55
In spite of what certainly feels like an increase of rightwing violence I would say the current environment is nothing compared to the hysteria of 2008-9. The rumur of a massive reaction sounds like democrat fear-mongering.

Orange Juche
4th September 2012, 07:21
I actually prefer Republicans to Democrats - and hear me out on this one. Anyone with even the lowest of analytical skills can see that the Republican Party is insane, absurd, and full of lies. But they don't mask it - as long as you have those skills, you see them as basically clearly saying "Hey, look at me, I'm corrupt and full of shit!" The Democrats, on the other hand, pretend to be some kind of party for workers - a party that given the "two party system" and constant thoughtless rhetoric, people buy into rather than challenging the system - sucking people who might be sympathetic to socialist or anarchist ideologies into a party that's equally as bullshit as the Republicans, but pretends to be different. I see the Democrats, in that way, doing far more damage. And yes - I do admit there is a difference between the two parties, but the differences are purely cosmetic. They're both corrupt capitalist parties that serve as the executive board for the capitalist class.

I'd rather a viper snip at us as a viper than to do it disguised as a dove, baiting people in through this disguise. Then, I know what I'm dealing with, and then, the reality of it is more clear. I'd say that's the biggest difference between the two parties. The one is openly full of shit and not pulling people away who would otherwise support, or consider supporting, ending capitalism. The other - the one that's supposed to be "better" - is pulling people away.