Yanomami tribe massacred

[Igor]

Probably up to 80 Yanomami tribals massacred in Venezuela. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/30/amazon-tribe-massacre-alleged-venezuela)

80 people allegedly firebombed by miners. And why exactly isn't a firebombing of 80 people a big thing in a country that isn't a war zone or anything? Because they're indigenous anyways and not civilized why do they have to live in a forest anyways

fuck colonialism

[RedSonRising]

My God that's horrible. So many disgusting factors of capitalism are forcing people to engage in more violence, specifically in the pursuit of precious metals, across Latin America.

[jacman]

how tragic. the Yanomami People were the first HG peoples I studied in Cultural Anthropology (a loooong time ago).
it's a crying shame.

all for the promise of a few nuggets of gold. :thumbdown:

[Rusty Shackleford]

Fucking terrible.

[Robocommie]

Really really hope the Venezuelan government cracks down on those people, hard. That's so fucked up.

[Robespierres Neck]

Very disturbing.

[el_chavista]

http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/gente/t_ministranicia_143.jpg Minister for Indigenous Peoples, Nilcia Maldonado, reported Saturday that after an investigation that began on Friday on an alleged massacre of 80 yanonamis in an indigenous community located in the Momoi area, municipality of Alto Orinoco, Amazonas state, no evidence was found of the alleged slaughter of people in this community.

[RedSonRising]

http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/gente/t_ministranicia_143.jpg Minister for Indigenous Peoples, Nilcia Maldonado, reported Saturday that after an investigation that began on Friday on an alleged massacre of 80 yanonamis in an indigenous community located in the Momoi area, municipality of Alto Orinoco, Amazonas state, no evidence was found of the alleged slaughter of people in this community.

Um what :confused: Can anyone elaborate on how the investigation has concluded that this massacre simply didn't happen?

[el_chavista]

Um what :confused: Can anyone elaborate on how the investigation has concluded that this massacre simply didn't happen?
On Tuesday September 28, Luis Shatiwë -executive chairman of the Honorami indigenous org.- et alters denounced that they long (since July) hadn't had any news from the Irotatheri community, Alto Orinoco municipality of the Amazonas state and it was their guess that garimpeiros (Brazilian gold miners) may have slaughtered the people of that community or they ran away from the garimpeiros dispersing themselves thru the rain forest.

In an electoral atmosphere like the Venezuelan one, many a media rushed to spread the "news" of the alleged slaughter.

The investigation is going on right now but so far they ain't found shit.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Has this happened before in Venezuela? When was the last confirmed attack on people like the Yanomami? Would it be possible to acquire aerial or satellite imagery of the area to verify the event?

I'd like to think it didn't happen, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Really really hope the Venezuelan government cracks down on those people, hard. That's so fucked up.

Just read that the minister of indigenous peoples of Venezuela Nilcia Maldonado, said that the several investigation committees of the Criminal Police, Army and Statedepartment found nothing. No traces of illegal miners, no traces of 80 dead. Imperialist Propaganda spread by our friend Igor here.

[Igor]

Imperialist Propaganda spread by our friend Igor here.

Actually, "imperialist propaganda" spread by local indigenous activists. :rolleyes: It's great news if it turns out this didn't happen, in areas of the world where barely if at all contacted people live fact-checking isn't always a simple procedure. But it's laughable that you'd try to paint this as imperialist propaganda because it isn't really a big news story and would in no way discredit the Venezuelan government you probably hold so dear. People who have been most vocal about this have indeed been local indigenous activists and I'd like to hear you explain their imperialist agenda, especially because illegal and destructive mining activity on indigenous lands goes by the very definition of imperialism.

And illegal mining is a big problem in the area and garimpeiros do fuck up the local tribes. It's happened before. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haximu_massacre) And it's not only about actual massacres like that which aren't exactly commonplace but the very fact that they mine illegally on native lands and spread out to areas where uncontacted tribes live. Garimpeiro activity is a serious threat to tribal peoples of the area, even if this turned out to be a false alert.

[Salyut]

Just read that the minister of indigenous peoples of Venezuela Nilcia Maldonado, said that the several investigation committees of the Criminal Police, Army and Statedepartment found nothing. No traces of illegal miners, no traces of 80 dead. Imperialist Propaganda spread by our friend Igor here.


How is this imperialist propaganda?

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

How is this imperialist propaganda?

Because anything said against an anti-imperialist state is necessarily imperialist propaganda! duhhh. Who cares that the Venezuelan government is in no way implicated in the article, that people among the indigenous communities themselves are alleging this, and there have been historical problems before with illegal miners in that part of the country.

[The Jay]

http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/gente/t_ministranicia_143.jpg Minister for Indigenous Peoples, Nilcia Maldonado, reported Saturday that after an investigation that began on Friday on an alleged massacre of 80 yanonamis in an indigenous community located in the Momoi area, municipality of Alto Orinoco, Amazonas state, no evidence was found of the alleged slaughter of people in this community.

Go fuck yourself. You are disgusting for defending a possible massacre just because it is in a country you have a fetish for. Absolutely disgusting.

[Obs]

Go fuck yourself. You are disgusting for defending a possible massacre just because it is in a country you have a fetish for. Absolutely disgusting.
Are you fucking kidding me. How do you defend a "possible massacre"? 1) It either happened or it didn't, so far reports are conflicting - even if evidence was conclusive that this really happened, what the minister does is denial, not defence. 2) He's not defending anything; he's literally not bringing in any sort of input of his own, just reporting what the Venezuelan minister said.

What you're doing is equatable to people who damn accused murderers before they've had due process. Let's at least stick to some basic principles.

I could accuse you of ripping babies apart with your bare hands on the daily, then insult people coming to your defense, and I'd be doing exactly what you just did. You ought to be fucking embarrassed.

[The Jay]

Are you fucking kidding me. How do you defend a "possible massacre"? 1) It either happened or it didn't, so far reports are conflicting - even if evidence was conclusive that this really happened, what the minister does is denial, not defence. 2) He's not defending anything; he's literally not bringing in any sort of input of his own, just reporting what the Venezuelan minister said.

What you're doing is equatable to people who damn accused murderers before they've had due process. Let's at least stick to some basic principles.

I could accuse you of ripping babies apart with your bare hands on the daily, then insult people coming to your defense, and I'd be doing exactly what you just did. You ought to be fucking embarrassed.

I'm not embarrassed since the second comment Chavista made included:


Alto Orinoco municipality of the Amazonas state and it was their guess that garimpeiros (Brazilian gold miners) may have slaughtered the people of that community or they ran away from the garimpeiros dispersing themselves thru the rain forest.

Either one of those options are indefensible. He was bringing up what the minister said for the purpose of denial. I believe this due to the general direction his/her postings are usually in.

[Obs]

I'm not embarrassed since the second comment Chavista made included:



Either one of those options are indefensible. He was bringing up what the minister said for the purpose of denial. I believe this due to the general direction his/her postings are usually in.
Denial, not defence, you fucking dolt. And again, we don't actually know and as of yet have no way of knowing if this happened or not. Just because the Guardian writes something doesn't make it true.

[The Jay]

I could go along with this and start flaming, but no thanks. You are right that it technically was a denial and that in itself there is nothing wrong with that. I have strong suspicions as to Chavista's motivations however.

[kurr]

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7218



Venezuelan officials investigating a reported mass killing of Yanomami indigenous people say they have found no evidence of the alleged attack.

On Wednesday, a group representing the Yanomami had said that up to 80 of their members had been killed by illegal gold miners.


Minister of Indigenous Peoples Nicia Maldonado said a team had travelled to the area by helicopter. She said they had failed to located the bodies witnesses had described finding.


"No evidence of any death was found," Ms Maldonado told state television.
Gen Jose Eliecer Pinto of the National Guard told the Ultimas Noticias newspaper that he had visited four indigenous communities along with other officials and that "everything is fine there".


A statement from a network of Yanomami groups had described how illegal gold miners had allegedly set fire to a communal house, and how witnesses reported finding burnt bodies.


Indigenous rights campaigners say the Venezuelan officials may have failed to find the community in question, which is based in a remote jungle location.

[Robocommie]

I could go along with this and start flaming, but no thanks. You are right that it technically was a denial and that in itself there is nothing wrong with that. I have strong suspicions as to Chavista's motivations however.

Venezuela isn't even implicated in this, this would be on illegal miners from Brazil, there's just no motive for Chavista to lie. You need to settle down. Not everything is some kind of conspiracy.

[The Jay]

You're right.

[RedAnarchist]

Apparently they are now saying that the attack did not take place - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19556792.