Arguing with a Zionist

[Hexen]

I've been recently been arguing with a Zionist:


[19:25] 18<MoonStalkeR> why did they have to kill RT with this liberal palestine shit
[19:26] 31<Boilerplate>30 Are you a Zionist MoonStalker? It's basically Jewish Nationalism which any form of Nationalism is bad news
[19:26] 18<MoonStalkeR> I support zionism, but am against judaism
[19:26] 31<Boilerplate>30 Israel is a aparthied state like South Africa
[19:26] 18<Daedolon> I support Blood
[19:26] 18<MoonStalkeR> lol
[19:27] 18<MoonStalkeR> south africa stopped being apartheid like 20 yrs ago
[19:27] 18<MoonStalkeR> and israel never had apartheid
[19:27] 18<MoonStalkeR> you remind me of a soviet-originated communist propoganda film
[19:27] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your obviously delusinal Moonstalker
[19:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> that claimed israel and south africa are part of an evil axis of oppressing colored people
[19:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> lolol
[19:28] 31<Boilerplate>30 Israel is white occuplation of the Middle East.
[19:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> notice how south africa went to shit after they ended apartheid
[19:28] 31<Boilerplate>30 Like South Africa is white occupation of Africa
[19:29] 18<MoonStalkeR> during apartheid it was one of the best nations in the world
[19:29] 18<Daedolon> MoonStalkeR you okay?
[19:29] 31<Boilerplate>30 Aparthied is stolen land
[19:29] 31<Boilerplate>30 The US was once a Aparthied state
[19:29] 31<Boilerplate>30 Well it kinda still is when you look at the Native Americans
[19:30] 31<Boilerplate>30 So is Austrilla
[19:30] 31<Boilerplate>30 with the Aboriginals
[19:30] 31<Boilerplate>30 White Colonalism is a cancer in this world
[19:31] 18<MoonStalkeR> Daedolon I dont feel good
[19:31] 18<MoonStalkeR> the blacks living in south africa invaded from the north
[19:31] 18<MoonStalkeR> didn't they?
[19:32] 18<MoonStalkeR> completely different race from the few native tribes there
[19:32] 18<MoonStalkeR> it's more like blacks moving into a white country to occupy them
[19:32] 18<MoonStalkeR> if we use that logic
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[19:33] 31<Boilerplate>30 You got it backwords Moonstalker, it was the Whites that stoled Black lands and they're to reclaiming it back and now whites are crying "stealing" how ironic
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[19:34] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate, how do you define "nativity"?
[19:34] 18<MoonStalkeR> I agree that native americans were oppressed
[19:34] 31<Boilerplate>30 The Blacks were there first
[19:34] 18<MoonStalkeR> and european colonists were also attacked by native americans
[19:34] 18<MoonStalkeR> but amerindians also came from a different location
[19:34] 31<Boilerplate>30 Because they were occupying their lands, get it?
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[19:35] 31<Boilerplate>30 How would you like it if someone came in and stoled your land? Would you fight back?
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[19:36] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate so why would a sioux indian have more rights to north america than a white american?
[19:36] 31<Boilerplate>30 Because they were here first and Whites are the invaders
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[19:39] 31<Boilerplate>30 It's more like the Native Americans were living there for centuries and all the sudden the White man comes which instead of cooperation, they invade and steal their lands.
[19:39] 18<Daedolon> :3
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[19:45] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate I never lived in south africa, but by statistics it looks like it was a better place during apartheid
[19:46] 18<MoonStalkeR> what do you think is the reason?
[19:48] 31<Boilerplate>30 Like everything is better under whites
[19:49] 31<Boilerplate>30 Well South Africa is still Aparthied as I'm aware of
[19:49] 18<MoonStalkeR> but staying on topic, israel never had apartheid
[19:50] 18<MoonStalkeR> many white south africans appear to be fleeing the country
[19:50] 31<Boilerplate>30 Yes it is apartheid are you that delusional? Look it up: http://www.answers.com/topic/apartheid An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
[19:50] 31<Boilerplate>30 A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
[19:50] 31<Boilerplate>30 The condition of being separated from others; segregation.
[19:50] 31<Boilerplate>30 Basically Israel is the racial segragation of whites and palestanians and the rest of middle easterns
[19:50] 18<MoonStalkeR> apartheid was practiced in south africa until 1994, israel had no such systme ever
[19:50] 18<MoonStalkeR> wtf
[19:51] 31<Boilerplate>30 Israel wants white occupation of the Middle East while the rest is turned into oil fields for US imperialists
[19:51] 18<MoonStalkeR> there's many muslims in high position in israel
[19:52] 18<MoonStalkeR> plus israel spends massive funds to feed palestinian criminals and freeloaders
[19:52] 18<MoonStalkeR> they have to treat them like royalty, or else the media will shout "omg apartheid state"
[19:53] 31<Boilerplate>30 Except those 'muslims' are whites or wealthy Middle Easterns
[19:53] 18<MoonStalkeR> they all look like regular sand niggers
[19:54] 18<MoonStalkeR> a lot of them risk a lot to sneak into israel
[19:54] 18<MoonStalkeR> from their oppressive homeland
[19:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 Do you live in Israel MoonStalker?
[19:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> israel is like the only place where homos aren't beheaded, women are treated equally, and people actually have rights
[19:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> ironic that you want it blown up for some reason
[19:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> aren't all those things that you believe in
[19:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> only place in the mid east*
[19:56] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your missing the point that it's white occupation of the Middle East
[19:56] 18<MoonStalkeR> no, I would like to visit sometime
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[19:56] 31<Boilerplate>30 Hence it's a Aparthied. You Zionists are delusional
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[19:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> the burden of proof is on you, since you are the one with wild accusations
[19:57] 31<Boilerplate>30 Another thing to that the "Oppressive Regimes" are products of western imperialism
[19:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> apartheid
[19:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> rofl
[19:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> islam is not a product of western imperialism
[19:57] 31<Boilerplate>30 Like for example Wahabism is has western imperialist origins
[19:58] 31<Boilerplate>30 Which is what modern Islam follows today
[19:59] 18<MoonStalkeR> too bad the muslims that come here act the same way without their "evil western wahabi government"
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[20:05] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate are you trying to say without wahabbis muslims are angels?
[20:05] 18<MoonStalkeR> lol
[20:05] 18<MoonStalkeR> iran doesn't follow it
[20:05] 18<MoonStalkeR> still seems like a pretty shitty place
[20:05] 31<Boilerplate>30 All religions are bad
[20:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> in israel it's possible to be free from it atleast
[20:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> elsewhere in mideast everyone would have it shoved down their throats


Any response to this person?

[Rugged Collectivist]

Didn't the Islamists take control of Iran because the left was crushed when the US restored the monarchy? I'm no expert on the subject but wasn't the pre-Shah leader of Iran a socialist or at least a social democrat?

"Boilerplate I never lived in south africa, but by statistics it looks like it was a better place during apartheid"

I bet it was better for the white people and no one else. I'm getting Nazi vibes from this guy. I wouldn't waste my time if I were you.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

[D]uring apartheid [South Africa] was one of the best nations in the world.

Why are you bothering to argue with complete dumbasses? You can't convince everyone.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Inform him that "sand -------" is a racist term and that by using it while at the same time defending apartheid could lead people to believe that he is a racist. After that he'll be right where you want him.

[Positivist]

This guys a fucking dumbass. Might just want to ask what he means by saying south Africa was one of the best countries in the world. What qualifies a country for greatness in his opinion? Once he directs you to some bullshit technological or military achievements point out that that doesn't mean jack shit to the black native majority.

[Luc]

oh nvm it was wrong guy talking :lol:

[Hexen]

Update:


[20:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 By the MoonStalker, "Sand Nigger" is a racist term and you at the same time defending apartheid could lead people to believe that your a racist (which you might be knowngly or unknowningly)
[20:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 *By the way
[20:55] 31<Boilerplate>30 *using that term and at the same time
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[20:57] 21<meleemario>21 whats going on Boilerplate?
[20:58] 31<Boilerplate>30 Me and MoonStalker are talking about aparthied states like South Africa and Israel which he supports
[20:59] 31<Boilerplate>30 It's basically white colonalism
[20:59] 31<Boilerplate>30 in general
[21:02] 18<meleemario> what does apartheid mean?
[21:02] 31<Boilerplate>30 http://www.answers.com/topic/apartheid
[21:02] 31<Boilerplate>30 racial state segration basically
[21:03] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate I'm not racist
[21:04] 18<MoonStalkeR> neither south africa or israel are apartheid states
[21:04] 18<MoonStalkeR> are you out of your mind
[21:04] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your obviously delusional MoonStalker
[21:04] 31<Boilerplate>30 They are apatheid states
[21:05] 31<Boilerplate>30 You sound like your racist
[21:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> "system of racial segregation enforced through legislation by the National Party governments, who were the ruling party from 1948 to 1994, of South Africa"
[21:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> apartheid ended in 1994
[21:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> and israel never had such a thing
[21:06] 31<Boilerplate>30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vlmGknvr_Pg#t=330s
[21:06] 18<MoonStalkeR> typical communist propaganda
[21:07] 31<Boilerplate>30 I think I maybe wasting my time speaking with you
[21:07] 18<MoonStalkeR> lolol
[21:07] 18<MoonStalkeR> HEIL DER FUHRER
[21:07] 18<MoonStalkeR> HEIL HITLER!!!!!!!!!!
[21:08] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate you have a lot in common with neo-nazis
[21:08] 18<MoonStalkeR> especially this evil america-israel ZOG rhetoric
[21:08] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your speaking nonsense now
[21:09] 18<MoonStalkeR> ive known skinheads who said the same beliefs as you
[21:09] 31<Boilerplate>30 You just admitted that you worship Hitler
[21:09] 18<meleemario> i think he was kidding BoN
[21:09] 18<MoonStalkeR> both you and nazis believe in a zionist occupied government
[21:09] 18<meleemario> what is zionism?
[21:09] 31<Boilerplate>30 I can't distqusish the differeance meleemario
[21:10] 31<Boilerplate>30 Jewish Nationalism
[21:10] 18<meleemario> ah
[21:10] 21<meleemario>21 is it because you're not hearing him speak directly Boilerplate?
[21:10] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate is busy shaving his head
[21:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> to fit into the aryan brotherhood
[21:11] 18<MoonStalkeR> so they can fight together against ZOG
[21:12] 31<Boilerplate>30 That's right, call anyone who critize Israel a Nazi without thinking
[21:12] 18<MoonStalkeR> LOL
[21:12] 18<MoonStalkeR> more like, call anyone who supports israel a nazi
[21:12] 18<MoonStalkeR> which is exactly what you did
[21:12] 18<MoonStalkeR> with all the liberals around, expressing support for israel automatically means that you are a nazi
[21:13] 18<meleemario> if i may interject, Israel is essentially part of the United States
[21:13] 18<meleemario> we modernized them and all that
[21:13] 18<MoonStalkeR> it's how delusioned your kind is
[21:13] 18<MoonStalkeR> yea
[21:13] 18<meleemario> although that sure pissed off the folks in the middle east, thinking we took their land
[21:13] 18<meleemario> carry on
[21:14] 31<Boilerplate>30 There's actually differance, Neo Nazis hate Israel because of the "Jewish Conspiracy" while Leftists hate Israel is because it's a Aparthied Imperialist state. two completely different reasons.
[21:15] 18<MoonStalkeR> neo-nazis also say the same nonsense about "israel oppressing innocent muslims"
[21:15] 18<MoonStalkeR> leftists likewise rant about jewish conspiracies all the time
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[21:16] 18<MoonStalkeR> what was my last messg
[21:16] 18<meleemario> [22:15:46] <+MoonStalkeR> leftists likewise rant about jewish conspiracies all the time
[21:16] 18<MoonStalkeR> kk
[21:17] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your missing the point that Israel is white occupied lands. I think you don't even know what Leftism is about do you? It's the Neo-Nazis are asserting the Jewish Conspiracy not Leftists.
[21:17] 18<MoonStalkeR> one can be neo-nazi and leftist at the same time
[21:17] 31<Boilerplate>30 No
[21:17] 18<MoonStalkeR> or share mutual interest
[21:17] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your once again obviously delusional
[21:17] 18<MoonStalkeR> leftists always complain about how US government is taken over by zionists
[21:18] 18<MoonStalkeR> lol
[21:18] 18<MoonStalkeR> that's conspiracism
[21:18] 18<MoonStalkeR> same with skinheads, ron paul fanboys, etc.
[21:18] 31<Boilerplate>30 No they don't Israel is the US's ally
[21:19] 18<MoonStalkeR> israel may as well be very dependent on the US
[21:19] 31<Boilerplate>30 Neo Nazis are the ones asserting about "Zionists taking over the US"
[21:19] 18<MoonStalkeR> for protection against people that want to destroy them
[21:19] 31<Boilerplate>30 I think I maybe wasting my time speaking to you.
[21:19] 18<MoonStalkeR> and it's in US interests that israel does not get blown up, to avoid global crisis, oil price raises, etc
[21:20] 18<MoonStalkeR> at the same time you are spewing typical anti-white propoganda
[21:20] 18<MoonStalkeR> according to you, any white nationalist is a nazi
[21:20] 31<Boilerplate>30 Because they are
[21:20] 31<Boilerplate>30 Any form of Nationalism is bad news
[21:20] 18<MoonStalkeR> while black nationalists are innocent, right?
[21:21] 31<Boilerplate>30 You know what I just said?
[21:21] 18<meleemario> sorry to cut in, but what is nationalism?
[21:21] 18<MoonStalkeR> being happy about one's race, identity, etc.
[21:21] 18<MoonStalkeR> like if we start a blood nation
[21:21] 18<MoonStalkeR> we can be Blood nationalists
[21:21] 31<Boilerplate>30 It's actually a recent 19th century invention
[21:21] 18<meleemario> happy to be a player of Monolith's Blood?
[21:21] 18<MoonStalkeR> yes or proud of it
[21:21] 31<Boilerplate>30 It's a divide & conquer stradgegy
[21:22] 18<MoonStalkeR> i'd rather have nationalists than mindless lefitsts
[21:22] 18<meleemario> what about the jihads?
[21:22] 18<MoonStalkeR> they are sand nigger nationalists
[21:22] 18<MoonStalkeR> but islam generally erases any ethnic nationalism and replaces it with religious nationalism
[21:22] 31<Boilerplate>30 See are a racist MoonStalker
[21:22] 31<Boilerplate>30 *you
[21:23] 18<MoonStalkeR> well, I don't see myself as a racist
[21:23] 31<Boilerplate>30 Although you are
[21:23] 18<MoonStalkeR> how so
[21:23] 31<Boilerplate>30 You live in denial
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[21:23] 18<meleemario> let me ask you this, do you or can you hate someone solely based on their race MoonStalkeR?
[21:23] 18<MoonStalkeR> no
[21:23] 18<MoonStalkeR> i judge by individual
[21:24] 31<Boilerplate>30 What you just said with using racist vocublary and defending nationalism and apathied
[21:24] 18<MoonStalkeR> but i will use common sense when it comes to large crowds etc.
[21:24] 31<Boilerplate>30 Therefore you are a racist
[21:24] 18<MoonStalkeR> for example, I will obviously be cautious in a black neighborhood
[21:25] 18<Hendricks266> I don't think MoonStalkeR is a racist, it's just that his thoughts are not completely articulated
[21:25] 18<Hendricks266> for example
[21:25] 18<Hendricks266> if you are in a "black neighborhood", what does that mean?
[21:25] 18<meleemario> gotta remember too that MoonStalkeR is still young
[21:26] 18<Hendricks266> I'm younger than him
[21:26] 18<meleemario> Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, attitudes, or beliefs that reflect or support the racial worldview: the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races". This ideology entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other
[21:26] 18<Hendricks266> if it was inhabited completely with middle-class college educated well-to-do blacks, it would not be called a "black neighborhood"
[21:26] 18<Hendricks266> it would be called a neighborhood
[21:26] 18<MoonStalkeR> not according to me
[21:26] 18<meleemario> cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others.
[21:26] 18<Hendricks266> the term "black neighborhood" connotes sort of a rundown/ghetto atmosphere
[21:26] 18<MoonStalkeR> in the mainstream, yes
[21:27] 18<meleemario> thats what racism is according to wikipedia, just for the record
[21:27] 18<meleemario> carry on
[21:27] 18<MoonStalkeR> anyone who disagrees with liberals is a racist
[21:27] 18<Hendricks266> If you were walking on the street and saw a black person dressed completely in a formal suit, neatly groomed, etc
[21:27] 18<Hendricks266> would you feel uneasy?
[21:27] 18<Hendricks266> wearing a tie, perhaps with glasses and a clipboard
[21:27] 18<Hendricks266> office bag
[21:27] 18<meleemario> not at all
[21:27] 18<MoonStalkeR> ^
[21:28] 18<Hendricks266> exactly
[21:28] 18<Hendricks266> now
[21:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> of course, that's not how the majority of blacks are dressed here
[21:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> perhaps it's different where you live
[21:28] 18<meleemario> New York is a tough place MoonStalkeR
[21:28] 18<meleemario> full of crime and stuff
[21:28] 18<Hendricks266> if you saw a white dude wearing baggy shorts with the waist below the ass, an oversized white t-shirt or a wifebeater, and a baseball cap turned backwards, you would feel uneasy right?
[21:28] 18<MoonStalkeR> indeed it is
[21:29] 18<MoonStalkeR> yes I would
[21:29] 18<meleemario> same here
[21:29] 18<Hendricks266> see, that's the crux of what I'm getting at
[21:29] 18<Hendricks266> it's not the skin color
[21:29] 18<meleemario> its the attitude someone carrys about themselves
[21:29] 18<MoonStalkeR> and I never said it's the skin color, if that's directed at me
[21:29] 18<Hendricks266> it's directed towards BoN
[21:29] 18<MoonStalkeR> I'm used to seeing black people with pants below their waist
[21:29] 18<MoonStalkeR> oh
[21:30] 18<Hendricks266> it's just the unfortunate patterns that people of skin colors are grouped in and continue to group themselves in
[21:30] 18<MoonStalkeR> if I was in a different place, perhaps I would be used to seeing black people dressed in proper attire
[21:30] 31<Boilerplate>30 Why did you direct it at me?
[21:30] 18<Hendricks266> you are calling him a racist
[21:30] 18<Hendricks266> I can understand being suspicous in NYC
[21:31] 31<Boilerplate>30 Because he supports Aparthied and using racist termonology is what made me think he was a racist
[21:31] 18<MoonStalkeR> I never stated by view on apartheid
[21:31] 18<MoonStalkeR> my*
[21:32] 31<Boilerplate>30 Although you sound like you support it due to your tone
[21:33] 18<MoonStalkeR> I can't say I support it, but there are many arguments for it
[21:33] 18<Hendricks266> This is why I couldn't imagine going into politics
[21:33] 18<MoonStalkeR> same
[21:33] 18<meleemario> same here
[21:33] 18<Hendricks266> everything you say can and will be misunderstood and misinterpreted
[21:33] 18<meleemario> politics tears people apart
[21:34] 18<MoonStalkeR> it becomes another religion
[21:34] 18<meleemario> can i change the subject? i have a question about another matter
[21:34] 18<Hendricks266> there are components or results from apartheid that are helpful
[21:34] 18<Hendricks266> the idea itself is bad
[21:34] 18<Hendricks266> (racial segregation)
[21:34] 18<MoonStalkeR> exactly
[21:34] 18<Hendricks266> in a perfect world that could be explained to everyone and politics could be bettered
[21:35] 18<Hendricks266> but in the age of TV debates, the internet, there will always be people who don't get it, and it will spread like mold if you turn away
[21:35] 18<MoonStalkeR> it's always tied to an agenda, yes
[21:36] 18<MoonStalkeR> and is relative to what the reciever of the info is programmed to dissect it
[21:36] 18<MoonStalkeR> in most cases, blind faith
[21:36] 18<MoonStalkeR> as in religion
[21:37] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 i agree with boilerplate's critique on capitalism, feudalism, etc.
[21:38] 18<MoonStalkeR> when he mixes race into it, it gets different
[21:38] 21<meleemario>21 i agree with Boilerplate's ideas on capitalism as well
[21:39] 18<meleemario> but sexuality and race shouldnt be mixed together into the equation
[21:39] 18<meleemario> just being honest here
[21:39] 31<Boilerplate>30 I think your misinterapting my arguments. "Race" is a social construct
[21:39] 18<MoonStalkeR> you always bring it up
[21:39] 31<Boilerplate>30 I was referring to Cultural Imperialism/Colonalism
[21:39] 18<MoonStalkeR> and "race" "breeds" or whatever clearly exist
[21:40] 31<Boilerplate>30 Which are Europeans doing the dominananting
[21:40] 31<Boilerplate>30 No they don't
[21:40] 31<Boilerplate>30 There is no such thing as "Race"
[21:40] 18<MoonStalkeR> there are defined boundaries between ethnic groups on opposite sides of the planet
[21:40] 18<MoonStalkeR> does it affect them intelligent wise?
[21:40] 18<MoonStalkeR> idk
[21:41] 18<MoonStalkeR> but it, exists, whatever you wish to call it
[21:41] 31<Boilerplate>30 Point is we're all the same species (Homo Sapiens)
[21:41] 18<MoonStalkeR> ill stick to race since it's simple
[21:41] 18<MoonStalkeR> all dogs are canis lupus familaris
[21:41] 18<meleemario> yes, we're all humans created equally
[21:41] 18<MoonStalkeR> with diverse dog breeds
[21:41] 18<MoonStalkeR> that people obviously see the difference between
[21:41] 31<Boilerplate>30 That's the point you always look for the simiplist explainations even though life is more complex than that
[21:42] 18<MoonStalkeR> yes
[21:42] 18<MoonStalkeR> it is
[21:42] 18<MoonStalkeR> i am not looking for explanations
[21:44] 18<MoonStalkeR> I can clearly see if a person is "black" or "white"
[21:44] 18<MoonStalkeR> can't you
[21:46] 31<Boilerplate>30 It's their skin color
[21:46] 18<MoonStalkeR> yes, and I am not blind thus I can see their skin color
[21:46] 31<Boilerplate>30 Which is a product of the enviroment their from
[21:46] 18<MoonStalkeR> so I know if his skin color is black or white
[21:46] 18<MoonStalkeR> and the environment produces different looks or races
[21:47] 18<MoonStalkeR> so you can roughly define who belongs to which "race"
[21:47] 18<MoonStalkeR> I don't see why you overcomplicate it
[21:47] 31<Boilerplate>30 We don't live in a Tolken fantasy world that's the point your missing
[21:47] 18<MoonStalkeR> also it's more than skin color, there's also skull shape, facial features, etc.
[21:48] 18<MoonStalkeR> that's beyond the point
[21:51] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate you are obviously white
[21:51] 18<MoonStalkeR> and live the white man's guilt
[21:51] 18<MoonStalkeR> xD
[21:53] 21<meleemario>21 MoonStalkeR: we know what Boilerplate looks like, he posted his pic on Posty
[21:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 Therefore you are subtly a racist
[21:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 Moonstalker
[21:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 That's the point
[21:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> you are obviously a racist too when you talk about how bad european or white "oppression" is
[21:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> you acknowledge that it is white
[21:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> i just got the msgs
[21:55] 18<MoonStalkeR> connection sucks
[21:56] 18<MoonStalkeR> here is how my country of birth views arabs and africans http://www.kyivpost.com/media/images/data/uploads/e/iblock/en_articles/121755/5457/big.jpg
[21:56] 18<MoonStalkeR> lol
[21:57] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your missing the point I'm talking about European domination of the world
[21:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> because europe owns
[21:57] 18<MoonStalkeR> and has gadgets
[21:58] 31<Boilerplate>30 That's the point where I point your racist
[21:58] 31<Boilerplate>30 That's where your racist
[21:58] 18<MoonStalkeR> it's true
[21:58] 18<MoonStalkeR> wtf
[21:58] 18<MoonStalkeR> europe had technology
[21:59] 18<MoonStalkeR> you are actually very racist since you always bring up "nativeness" and some blood & soil bullshit
[21:59] 31<Boilerplate>30 Actually the Renniasance was a product of stolen knowledge from Asia/The Middle East that they already knew
[21:59] 18<MoonStalkeR> the middle east stole it from europe in turn
[22:00] 18<Hendricks266> the renaissance had plenty of their own innovations, it's not like the Greeks knew everything
[22:00] 18<MoonStalkeR> indeed
[22:00] 18<MoonStalkeR> in a short time period, they achieved centuries worth of innovation
[22:00] 18<Hendricks266> Greeks --> Romans --> Middle Eat
[22:00] 18<Hendricks266> East
[22:00] 18<MoonStalkeR> while the middle east can be given credit in that they were good in preserving knowledge from antiquity
[22:01] 18<MoonStalkeR> certainly not as producers
[22:01] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 as boilerplate tries to portray them
[22:02] 31<Boilerplate>30 MoonStalker have you heard of Cultural Imperialism?
[22:02] 18<MoonStalkeR> yes
[22:02] 18<MoonStalkeR> I think it's your agenda actually
[22:02] 31<Boilerplate>30 What?
[22:03] 18<MoonStalkeR> you promote foreign influences
[22:03] 31<Boilerplate>30 Your actually delving into the "No U" arguments again
[22:03] 31<Boilerplate>30 Since when I promoted influences?
[22:03] 18<MoonStalkeR> when did i get into "et tu" arguments nigga?
[22:04] 31<Boilerplate>30 You just recently did
[22:04] 31<Boilerplate>30 When you said I also promoted cultural imperalism
[22:04] 18<MoonStalkeR> you do, subtly
[22:04] 18<MoonStalkeR> you promote foreign people as ultimate angels
[22:04] 18<MoonStalkeR> and europeans as white devils
[22:05] 21<MoonStalkeR>21 Boilerplate what is your view on immigration
[22:07] 31<Boilerplate>30 Does it really matter? Under the capitalist system, it's used to get more workers to be exploited.
[22:07] 18<MoonStalkeR> I am glad you know that much
[22:07] 18<MoonStalkeR> do you think it should be stopped while we are in this system
[22:08] 31<Boilerplate>30 Nope
[22:08] 31<Boilerplate>30 Capitalists need more workers to exploit
[22:09] 31<Boilerplate>30 I never promoted foreign as "angels" and whites as "devils" I'm just observing reality
[22:10] 31<Boilerplate>30 Which is basically the Western domination of the world
[22:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> native americans came from elsewhere too
[22:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> and possibly conquered it from previous inhabitants
[22:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> with lots of inter tribal warfare in every area
[22:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> europeans are simply the latest tribe to conquer those places
[22:10] 18<MoonStalkeR> if it wasnt them, it would be someone else

[Ostrinski]

Hexen you always pick the most royal boneheads to debate with.

[Hexen]

Hexen you always pick the most royal boneheads to debate with.

It's usually by accident. I don't know who I'm going to be arguing with since I normally hang out in game based communities which this chat based on (on a game called Blood by Monolith) and these are the type of people I run into.

[jookyle]

And you guys are seriously against gulags?

[Rottenfruit]

I've been recently been arguing with a Zionist:



Any response to this person?
You'r arguing with a "true believer" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-believer_syndrome), nothing you say will or can change his opinon no matter how dissocited they are from reality

[leftistman]

As a student at a Jewish school, I know firsthand that reasoning with a Zionist is futile. One should not expect to change the mind of someone who has been told since they first learned how to speak, read, and write that Israel is this state of diplomacy, peacekeeping, compassion, and justified existence. These people seem to always have an emotional attachment to Zionism. As soon as you make even the slightest criticism of ANY Israeli policy, they begin to shout. Did I mention that they refuse to listen to opposing arguments? Sometimes I wonder why I ever discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with Zionists.

[Silvr]

One should not expect to change the mind of someone who has been told since they first learned how to speak, read, and write that Israel is this state of diplomacy, peacekeeping, compassion, and justified existence.

This has not been true in every case in my experience. Not everyone is incapable of questioning the assumptions they have been raised with. But arguing with some stranger over the internet about it, particularly one who thinks Apartheid South Africa was great shit, does seem like a huge waste of time to me.

[white picket fence]

"I support zionism, but am against judaism"

at least he's original, i'll grant him that

racist and colonialist opportunism without the saving grace of religion

[Rugged Collectivist]

"I support zionism, but am against judaism"

at least he's original


Maybe he takes a pragmatic approach to Zionism. He could support it because it furthers the goals of the US ruling class (which he might identify with) while still hating Jews.

[white picket fence]

for exerting such undue influence on american capital and foreign policy lol

[ВАЛТЕР]

I would have started trolling him a long time ago. No sense in arguing with people who have a piece of donkey shit where their brain should be.

[leftistman]

There are some people capable of critical thinking and skepticism, but these people are few and far between, especially at an age as young and impressionable as mine.

[James Connolly]

Israel is white occuplation of the Middle East.
Israel wants white occupation of the Middle East while the rest is turned into oil fields for US imperialists.What are you, Alex Jones? I don't know whether to laugh my ass off or to be shocked that such nonsense is accepted on the Left...

[GiantMonkeyMan]

[21:47] 18<MoonStalkeR> also it's more than skin color, there's also skull shape, facial features, etc.
[...]
[21:54] 31<Boilerplate>30 Therefore you are subtly a racist
Subtly racist? :confused:

I don't think your arguments are very sound because you go off on tangents and offer multiple ways for rebuttal.

There's no substantial difference besides physical appearance between people of different skin colour much as there are no substantial differences between tall and short people or blondes and brunettes. Since children are born with undeveloped brains that establish behavioural patterns through learning from adults, children of different appearances have no substantial difference in intelligence. Behavioural patterns are established through the environment you are brought up in so living in a poor neighbourhood with shit education opportunities leads to a very different person to those brought up in affluent neighbourhoods with many education opportunities. It's for these reasons that apartheid states like Israel are so wrong in their actions; they force the people they oppress into terrible lifestyles with no opportunities and maintain the status quo even though it's completely unnecessary.

You don't have to necessarily acknowledge all of this completely to not be racist (although you certainly couldn't be radical left, in my opinion); you do have to ensure that you don't treat people of different appearances in an overly varying manner. By labelling people of different appearances with derogatory terms, like moonstalker does, you are treating them negatively and are therefore racist. There's no way he can avoid that.

It's hard to maintain a debate in instant messaging and usually I would simply say don't bother as moonstalker doesn't seem like the person to change his mind but since the other people posting seem to be borderline with your thoughts and his then it'd be best if you structure a good argument to denounce his perspective and promote the radical leftist materialism.

[Hexen]

What are you, Alex Jones? I don't know whether to laugh my ass of or to be shocked that such nonsense is accepted on the Left...

Well I think I meant to say that Israel is an European colonialist occupation of the Middle East which I may have used the word "whites" wrongly. Of course I was also trolling him as well since I thought I was arguing with a potential racist.

[cynicles]

"I support zionism, but am against judaism"

at least he's original, i'll grant him that

racist and colonialist opportunism without the saving grace of religion
So is he one of those anti-semitic zionists then like Breivik or the evangelical right.