Libya has WMD!

[Fidel Castro]

News just in, Libya has chemical and nuclear programs, they have agreed to destroy them in an attempt to get close to the West, any thoughts?

[j.guevara]

I liked how Bush called it "quiet diplomacy" instead of secret business deals with supposed terrorists.

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 11:03 PM
News just in, Libya has chemical and nuclear programs, they have agreed to destroy them in an attempt to get close to the West, any thoughts?
Hmm...well Lybia has been under the radar for a long time. It's good to see that they are willing to not use WMD. But basically, they are doing it to get closer to the US, which isn't that nice to see. They should of stayed under the radar.

DeadMan.

[(*]

Not surprising that they'd make this gesture
Libya's image has taken quite a hit for many years. I think they are trying to erase all the bad publicity they have encountered.

[New Tolerance]

News just in, Libya has chemical and nuclear programs, they have agreed to destroy them in an attempt to get close to the West, any thoughts?

Libya has Nuclear weapons???

[Fidel Castro]

weapons programs. As the news is just quite fresh I don't know at the mo exactly what were fully developed.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

It's good for them, it makes international relations a bit better for that country.

I don't think they have nuclear wepons, but might have planed to make some.



--Paz

[Jesus Christ]

http://firefly.sparse.org/~mrt/images/sucka.gif

"You best give up 'dem weapons of mass destruction foo'!"

[DeadMan]

That's true. If a country has WMD, they all of a sudden gain alot more respect and are higher up in the world food chain. And a whole lot less people want to mess with them.

DeadMan.

[Fidel Castro]

No one wants to mess with them, except nations with even more WMD who feel threatened, e.g USA and UK

[Chewillneverdie]

well of course, Nukes blow the shit outta stuff lol. If a country had a nuke and hated you, would you be worried? I hate nukes and the thought of them

[(*]

Any country abandoning the pursuit of WMD is a victory for peace

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Any cynics who are saying this is Qad'hafi "folding" under Western pressure are talking bullshit.

This a move from Qad'hafi which proves he is a legitimate, freedom and peace loving leader. Hat's off to to the Colonel

[Fidel Castro]

Socialismo, although I am a big critic of US and UK policy you are of course correct to say that the colonel has made a good decision in destroying WMD. I doubt that he did so because he is peace loving, rather he is trying to gain favour with the West, and also what happened to Saddam must have changed the colonel's attitude.

[SonofRage]

This seems consistant with Qadhafi's move towards better diplomacy over the past ten years or so.

[DeadMan]

Wasn't Lybia Nationalist? I guess there afraid of getting kicked by the US or something so they decided to go quietly into the sunset.

DeadMan.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

You guys don't see the big picture here. Libya SHOULD persue its nuclear program to defend itself against US imperialism. In fact, all countries should have nuclear weapons for that purpose. The next thing you are going to see, is Bush screaming like that little girl on Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. Crying that Libya hasn't destoyed its WMDs, (which Libya doesn't have) and then deciding to attack it when it doesn't give up the weapons it doesn't have. For the sake of the Libyan people, Libya MUST have nuclear weapons ASAP. Because Bush wants Libya NOOOWWWWW!!!

[(*]

Arming the world will not bring about peace. Our goal must be to disarm

[SonofRage]

you are insane MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr. Having more nations with WMDs only increases the chances that they will be used.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

You don't understand, without the nuclear deterrent, Bush will almost certainly attack Libya. Nuclear weapons are necessary for Libya to protect it's national soveriegnty. This is more than just promoting the international peace. The very lives of the Libyans depend on it!

[Intifada]

what pisses me off is that the us and other western nations can have wmds, whereas any other nation (particularly arab) have to disarm. i agree that the disarming of all wmds would bring peace, but the usa can now attack libya without any worries.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Get a grip. George Bush is an idiot, but he will not just attack Libya. He has no grounds, especially now this announcement has been made. It's totallyoutof the question and not even worth considering.

I've heard news reports saying that Qad'hafi is only doing this because he has seen what happened to Iraq.

Well, yeh. That is why he has done it, and what is wrong with that? It's not showing that Qad'hafi is giving in. It is showing that he is a leader who has genuine concerns for his people and his country. He doesn't want his people to suffer the same fate of the Iraqi people just because he is in posession of nucelar arms.

Stop trying to read too deep and take it for what it is. It is, like (* has said, a step further towards peace.

[Soviet power supreme]

Get a grip. George Bush is an idiot, but he will not just attack Libya. He has no grounds, especially now this announcement has been made. It's totallyoutof the question and not even worth considering.

But Libya has great oil resources.


Ask yourselves who against Libya would use their WMDs?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Well, if the US really has no grounds then there should be no problem with Libya having WMDs. If there are no reasons for Bush to attack Libya, he'll make some up. Nuclear weapons are necessary for the very survival of Libya in the face of US imperialism. That is their only defence against such a ruthless adversary.

[Soviet power supreme]

Libya should produce ant-nuke missile to shoot USA's nuclear missiles down instead of making nukes.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I am not defending America or there posession of Nuclear arms, but I do believe that the way the world can be rid of Nuclear arms is if everyone disarms. Waiting, and having the "if you're not disarming, then we're not", attitude is not going to help anyone.

Countries have to act and show that they are willing to make the step towards peace and not be stubborn. Disarming and getting the blessing of the people of the world for doing so will gain countries and leaders great prestige and this, I believe, will lead to America complying as well.

Nuclear arms are not to be taken as politics. It is a matter of world safety and peace.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What a dumb move by Libya.They were not gonna be attacked for quite a while.Not high on the priority list of the US.Gaddaffi is a weiro and a lackey of imperialism.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Anti-nukes are far too expensive for a country like Libya, and anti-nukes are useless for defending against an invasion. "Not a target right now" is not a good attitude to take toward the safety of one's own country. Bush has placed an innocent nation in his crosshairs, and now the Libyans must act NOW if they want to protect themselves against US imperialism.

[Fidel Castro]

Lybia has obviously reasoned that they cannot defend themselves effectively against the USA in a military sense, as the US are just so superior militarily. Accepting responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing, offering compensation to Lockerbie victim's families and now giving up their WMD will gain them more favour with the international community and make it far more difficult for the USA to launch an invasion. At the same time they could see an improvement economically.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Anti-nukes are far too expensive for a country like Libya, and anti-nukes are useless for defending against an invasion.

yes I agree

"Not a target right now" is not a good attitude to take toward the safety of one's own country. Bush has placed an innocent nation in his crosshairs, and now the Libyans must act NOW if they want to protect themselves against US imperialism.

Maybe its not a good attitude,but what would their nuke program do other then protect them from an invasion?

[(*]

Having any WMD program will further ostracize Libya from the rest of the world. It will in fact invite an attack, which few countries would try and prevent.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I disagree.I just don't think nations should end their nuculear programs cuz bush says they should.Tactics of intimadation are being used.If all nations give into the US they will really rule the world.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

It might result in ostratization, but at least it will be safe. The US has no right to try and dictate the policies of other countries, and this attack on Libya's weapons programs is an attack on Libya itself. Bush is looking to keep the rest of the world defenceless so he can plan his own attacks at his will, without the fear of nuclear retribution. All countries need nukes I say. They can disarm when this monster Bush disarms.

[Yazman]

Does Libya REALLY have WMDs, or is this just another "they have WMDs so lets totally destroy them, then forget about the non-existent WMDs" ?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I sure hope they do, because if they don't, Bush will accuse the Libyans of hiding them, and if they do, Bush will assume they have more. So I guess its a lose-lose situation. The only way out is to do like the North Koreans. Yes, we have nukes, and we are not giving them up.

[Soviet power supreme]

Yeah and nukes are the best against the invasion.Libya's army is good enough to defend american invasion but not good enough to prevent a nuclear strike.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Altough I am against Nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons aren't offensive weapons since US lost it's Nuclear monopoly position. Using Nuclear Weapons against a country that has nuclear weapons equals suicide. Therefor the US nor any other Nuclear holding country would dare using it.

The chance that the Nuclear weapons holding countries would deliver in their NW is slim to none. Even if they would give it in, I am not sure if it's for the best. Consider, what defense do small countries have against Imperialism of big countries. It would speed up the further domination of the US. Our only chance of getting rid of NW is if the people are united and do not have to fear Nuclear Offenses "from the other side".

[cubist]

the way i see it

libya doesn't want what iraq now has,

it's given in like sadman was supposed to, its happening people, America and briatain are taking over the world. if Sadman couldn't survive how can libya.

whos next??

[nezvanova]

this is bad...Bush is getting all the good plublicity he needs rght before election season...first they catch Sadamm, not this... <_<

[Soviet power supreme]

1.Libya doesnt have transcontinental missiles
2.Libya doesnt have enough nuclear bombs
3.Us is soon going to finish its nuclear missile defence project.

[Comrade Hector]

Greetings Comrades&#33; For a time I had respect for Muammar Qadhafi. I didn&#39;t praise him as a defender of socialism or anything, but I respected him for his resistance to Western imperialism. However, the respect I had for him died completely as I learned about his negociations with Baby Bush to dismantle Libya&#39;s defenses against any possible US attack. I don&#39;t understand what makes Qadhafi think that Bush will lay off of him just because he capitulates to the USA. The USA has wanted Qadhafi&#39;s head served on a plate since he ended all western interests in Libya. And after all Baby Bush has named Libya as a terrorist nation and part of the "Axis of Evil". It is easy to say that Muammar Qadhafi is doing all this because of what was done to Iraq. But the WMD never existed in Iraq, and they do in Libya. Such weapons can be very useful to repel a US attack. Qadhafi is a fool for dismantling Libya&#39;s defenses.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Qad&#39;hafi is not being a fool. He is doing this for the good of the Libyan people which proves what a good leader he is.

This is not Qad&#39;hafi giving into Bush or America, it is Qad&#39;hadfi showing his concern for the welfare and safety of the Libyan people and the people of the world.

[Comrade Hector]

What you said is probably why Muammar Qadhafi is dismantling the weapons. However, I think he is a fool for doing this, because Bush will never be fully satisfied until the Western imperialists&#39; interests are once again restored in Libya as they were before Qadhafi became leader after the revolution. Qadhafi does not want the USA to exploit Libya&#39;s natural resourses, even if he&#39;s giving up the WMD. This will never be good enough for the Americans and British. In other words, the Americans and British want the exact same thing that they wanted from Iraq.....oil. He is noble for looking at what the USA did to Iraq, and not wanting American bombs falling on Libya. However, as I stated previously: giving up these weapons will make it more difficult for Libya to repel a US attack. Unless Qadhafi fully restores US interests, Libya will always be under the threat of a US attack.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I understand what you are saying.

But think about it. America would NOT attack Libya after this step by Qad&#39;hafi. America had a lot of opposition to the Iraq invasion, however people were willing to accept it because of Saddam Hussein&#39;s history.

Qad&#39;hafi has complied with peace by dismantling his arms and, for that, if America attacked the world would be in even more uproar. It simply will not happen. There will not be an American invasion into Libya.

Also, Jack Straw especially, and also Blair, have highly praised Qad&#39;hafi in the media this week and in the Commons. This shows that an invasion into Libya would also not be supported by Britain.

America will not attack Libya for it&#39;s oil.

[Chewillneverdie]

I hate the thought of Nukes altogether

[airavata]

From Libya&#39;s point of view Qaddafi is following the most sensible course of action. He probably realised that Libya&#39;s economy couldnt support a full blown nuclear weapns programme. Libya is also isolated diplomatically and these actions merely ensureit&#39;s long term prosperity. Those who curse Qaddafi and say Libya should pursue it&#39;s nuclear weapons programme are mad. Disarmament is the only way to go. MAD is passe.

[Comrade Hector]

Socialism o Muerte, excuse the late reply. I&#39;m not much of a regular visitor. Qadhafi said he would dismantle Libya&#39;s WMD. As of now the USA is not going to attack Libya. The USA may not even bring up Libya for the next several years. However, the USA will never be fully satisfied until their interests are once again restored. We both know Qadhafi will never do that. In my opinion when Muammar Qadhafi made this deal with Baby Bush, he only delayed an American/British attack on Libya. All the USA has to do is use the media and create some phony evidence against Libya (as it did Iraq and Yugoslavia). Britain will be involved, as well as other NATO members. Yes right now they&#39;re all praising Qadhafi for this move, but ask yourself: how long will it truly last?

[comrade J236]

i think they should do it&#33; kaddafi shold present his wmd to bush. by air.....

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 5 2004, 04:23 PM
i think they should do it&#33; kaddafi shold present his wmd to bush. by air.....
LMFAO&#33; :lol: :lol: :lol:

DeadMan.

[comrade J236]

what does LMFAO mean?

[Invader Zim]

I read that they have chemical/biological weapons, and that the Nuclear threat is just speculation, they are not a confirmed nuclearcpower, and I doubt they ever will be.

[Comrade Zeke]

Kaddafi is a great leader but mabey he should Build up his army and train them real well. He should also get more addvanced wheaponary not this Soviet Crap that is out dadted and he should ally with some countries,like Cuba or CHina and Algeria,Tunisa and SUdan so he can have some allies when the USA declares war.

ANy Comments about my theory?
;)