Nationalism and Religion after the revolution

[MaximMK]

Please read the whole text to understand what im trying to say.

This has been on my mind since i saw sever documentaries about religion by Richard Dawkins.

You see in communism if there is no state there would be no prisons anymore. Marx said that peoples behavior depends on their material condition. So after everyone shares everything and is equal there would be no robberies, kidnappings for money and other crimes made out of poverty. There would be no reason for crime since we will all be one great equal brotherhood.

But what about the ideas that do not depend on the material condition of the individual. For example i dont see any reason why would nationalism disappear. It will eventually maybe after many years of unity but in the beginning it wont. Not all workers are internationalist. There are nationalist and racist workers too.

Another problem is religion. In several documentaries i saw the huge hatred religious people have for each other and even more for atheists. And lots of the workers are religious. The state has successfully put this idea inside them that if they are certain nationality they have to be a certain religion too. Some if they are not religious are considered not patriotic etc. for not following the nations religion.

An example: Not long ago near the place i live Albanian Muslims opened a shop. A normal everyday shop for food and stuff. The local Cristian Macedonian people chased them out of the area to preserve the spreading of other nationalities and religions in their area.

Another example is that Jews are not allowed in a mosque in Jerusalem i think because its a holy place for the Muslim people but also for the Jews too.

I can mention alot more religious problems like murders of doctors for abortion and blowing up abortion clinics. They think they have the right to murder people that made their choice what to do with their pregnancy because they think differently.

If we want to build a society with no law force and no prisons like lots of members here posted in other topics eventually there would be no way to contain these tensions. Fights, stabbings, murders between everyday citizens because of religion and nationality are an everyday thing in my country trust me. Maybe you can not feel it as i do where you live but trust me this is a dangerous thing and the only thing that stops these people from killing each other because they think they are true followers of god is the fear of prison and cops. I know the state used religion and most of the wars over religion are state scenarios but more and more young people fight each other over this individually.

Most of the workers in the revolution would join because of improving their material conditions and their will to participate in the revolution will be because of their individual material condition but they will never abandon their narrow minded religions and some nationality. Im not talking about reasonable people here im talking about narrow minded dangerous idiots who will do anything to see their religion dominate the world (Breivik, Army of God and many more). If we are against imprisoning them or killing them than explain to me how will this society work.

Communism and Anarchism can work perfectly with communists and anarchists only but we are 7 billion people and there are lots of nut jobs out there more than us and it is a real problem. Im talking about violent non-intelligent, narrow minded people that cannot be talked to and believe the earth is 6000 years old and follow books that call upon killing the non believers. We need the people to feel safe and to enjoy communism not hate it because of the freedom.

With the freedom comes great responsibility for which the world is not yet ready and i dont know if it ever will. If only we had the technology to go to another planet far away and live in our own society there. But the cruel truth is that we are stuck we all these people here.

[Marxaveli]

Nationalism would cease to exist in a Communist society - because it's a classless/stateless society. Nationalism is a by-product of the State, and it is used by them to keep the working class divided and under the trappings of false consciousness. Thus by its very nature it is reactionary. If Nationalism still exists, the whole "my country is superior", I'd say that's a pretty good indication that society is not Communist.

Religion is a bit trickier though. This too, is also a tool used by the State to divide and oppress the Proletarian, but it is more abstract than Nationalism is, not to mention much older. Although almost all Marxists are Atheist, I think religion, unlike Nationalism, could still exist in Communist society. Because Communism is classless/stateless, I think religion would lose all its power - there is no state to use it as an oppressive tool any longer. I see no problem with people still being able to have their religious beliefs under Communism (although since class antagonisms would be gone, religion would seem almost unnecessary for many people, I think), as long as they respect others views and don't impose it on them, and that it is kept as a personal affair rather than a public one.

[MaximMK]

Yeah nationalism would disappear easier than religion. But there is no country needed for it to exist only a group of people representing themselves as a nation. Nationalists here never claim their country is better they praise the other countries for their advanced tech and etc. They think they as people are better than others etc. They dont really need some reasonable reason they just wanna fight.

Religion too i agree will loose the power it has now because of the state i was not worried about the church as an institution but about religious fanatics who think their belief is the only truth for existence and others that dont agree should be fought etc.