Who set-up the ‘pussy riot’ stunt?

[Threetune]

In the floods of media condemnation of Russia here is a rare view.

“This is what Washington wants. As Washington continues to murder vast numbers of people around the globe, it will point its finger at the fate of Pussy Riot. The western bought-and-paid-for presstitute media will focus on Russia’s evil, not on the evil of Washington, London, and the EU puppet states who are slaughtering Muslims by the bucket-full.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32415 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32415)

“If a country is an amerikan ally, its people are amerikan slaves.”

[Sasha]

You are such an tool, i already posted this article days ago, you refused to reply to it,
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/opinion/the-wrong-reasons-to-back-pussy-riot.xml

[Threetune]

You are such an tool, i already posted this article days ago, you refused to reply to it,
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/opinion/the-wrong-reasons-to-back-pussy-riot.xml

I was a bit concerned by your response at first, but closer careful examination of the web addresses revealed that not only are they different but so is the article.

Now I may be a “tool” as you say but unlike you I can recognise the deference between two totally different web addresses, two totally different articles by two completely different people written on two different dates.

I thought I would give you a chance to take down or amend your post before I return to the polemic with you about the OP.

Edit: Have any of your frends not pointed out your mistake or are they all as stupid as you?
Neue Rheinische Zeitung (http://www.revleft.com/vb/set-up-pussy-t174552/member.php?u=62564) for example.

[Art Vandelay]

I was a bit concerned by your response at first, but closer careful examination of the web addresses revealed that not only are they different but so is the article.

Now I may be a “tool” as you say but unlike you I can recognise the deference between two totally different web addresses, two totally different articles by two completely different people written on to different dates.

I thought I would give you a chance to take down or amend your post before I return to the polemic with you about the OP.

Edit: Have any of your frends not pointed out your mistake or are they all as stupid as you?



If by friends you are referring to me, since I thanked his post, then I didn't even read either of your articles; I just agreed with the sentiment that you are a tool.

[Threetune]

If by friends you are referring to me, since I thanked his post, then I didn't even read either of your articles; I just agreed with the sentiment that you are a tool.


Just shows how wrong and ignorant you both are doesn’t it?

[Threetune]

Now Psycho you muppit, please see if you can distinguish between this web site http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/pussy-riot-just-another-liberal-claws-celebre-16200466.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/pussy-riot-just-another-liberal-claws-celebre-16200466.html) and a barn door.

“There is nothing the liberal English love better than raising a cheer for artistic freedom, especially where Johnny Foreigner is concerned. The rubbish girl band jailed for blasphemy and sundry offences in Russia is unlikely to be the interval entertainment at BBC Sports Personality of the Year, but that doesn't stop the luvvies leaping to conclusions about the whole of Russian society and, bizarrely, blaming Russian president Vladimir Putin for personally imprisoning these poor arty girls, as if he were Stalin and they were innocent.”



You really should have gone to Specsavers.

[ed miliband]

nobody has taken credit for setting the pussy riot stunt up yet? cool, it was me. i set it up.

[Threetune]

nobody has taken credit for setting the pussy riot stunt up yet? cool, it was me. i set it up.

Confession is good for you. You should tell Psycho.

[Threetune]

The tide of opinion may be turning.

“The sad truth is that the West's support for Pussy Riot is, in reality, nothing more than yet another expression of its rabid hatred for anything Russian or Russian Orthodox. And if that means erecting a small group of sexually dysfunctional women into a banner for freedom, so be it! And that if that also means looking away from the obscene and outrageous persecution of a real hero for freedom like Julian Assange by the US Empire and its vassals - then so be it also!”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm)

[bcbm]

stopped reading when i saw 'amerikan'

but yeah i agree, anyone who obtains support from westerners was probably actually created by them because organic resistance in a place like russia would be impossible

[bcbm]

wow 'sexually dysfunctional women' classy lot you're supporting here 3tune

[Threetune]

wow 'sexually dysfunctional women' classy lot you're supporting here 3tune

Not 'supporting anyone as you know but perhaps you can explain the Canadian connection and the ‘pussy riot’ conection with reactionaries Boris Nemtsov and Alexei Navalnyi?

Do try. The other Revleft Moderators are all over the place with this one.:laugh:


http://juhamolari.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/anarchist-pussy-riot-and-voina-dirty.html#!/2012/08/anarchist-pussy-riot-and-voina-dirty.html (http://juhamolari.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/anarchist-pussy-riot-and-voina-dirty.html#!/2012/08/anarchist-pussy-riot-and-voina-dirty.html)

[bcbm]

obviously they are cia and were banking on a stupid punk stunt becoming a major media event, as most punk stunts do

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Hmm on one hand I hate all things American and Christian but I feel the need to defend all things Russian and Russian Orthodox. Are there some random blogs that can help sort these feelings out for me?

[Threetune]

obviously they are cia and were banking on a stupid punk stunt becoming a major media event, as most punk stunts do

Must do better.

So why did reactionary Alexei Navalnyi turn up as a defence witness at the trial?

[bcbm]

because they are cia

[Ocean Seal]

Now Psycho you muppit, please see if you can distinguish between this web site http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/pussy-riot-just-another-liberal-claws-celebre-16200466.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/pussy-riot-just-another-liberal-claws-celebre-16200466.html) and a barn door.

“There is nothing the liberal English love better than raising a cheer for artistic freedom, especially where Johnny Foreigner is concerned. The rubbish girl band jailed for blasphemy and sundry offences in Russia is unlikely to be the interval entertainment at BBC Sports Personality of the Year, but that doesn't stop the luvvies leaping to conclusions about the whole of Russian society and, bizarrely, blaming Russian president Vladimir Putin for personally imprisoning these poor arty girls, as if he were Stalin and they were innocent.”



You really should have gone to Specsavers.


Yo aren't you supposed to like Stalin or something?



The tide of opinion may be turning.

“The sad truth is that the West's support for Pussy Riot is, in reality, nothing more than yet another expression of its rabid hatred for anything Russian or Russian Orthodox. And if that means erecting a small group of sexually dysfunctional women into a banner for freedom, so be it! And that if that also means looking away from the obscene and outrageous persecution of a real hero for freedom like Julian Assange by the US Empire and its vassals - then so be it also!”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm)
Yo I don't really like anything Russian Orthodox or Russian to be honest. Yeah there is quite a ways of fucked up shit over there. But then again I don't really like most of the church/mosque hierarchies or most countries. But yeah I do like the Russian proles, like I like most proles. And I really don't think that Pussy Riot is distracting people away from real heroes for freedom like Julian Assange any more than Julian Assange is distracting people away from Pussy Riot.

TL;DR: I don't like the upper levels of most churches or most imperialist countries.
Oh and one more thing this is bigger than Pussy Riot now.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Good to see all these radical revolutionaries like threetune standing up for the divine sanctity of the Russian Orthodox Church :rolleyes:

[#FF0000]

Must do better.

So why did reactionary Alexei Navalnyi turn up as a defence witness at the trial?


i'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's because the anti-putin block makes up literally everybody except putin in russian politics and so it's a giant hodge-podge of people with different shades of shitty politics

also cia

[Crux]

This thread is so much better when you have Threetune on ignore.

[Crux]

Must do better.

So why did reactionary Alexei Navalnyi turn up as a defence witness at the trial?

So why is it that all your sources are reactionary as fuck?

Thankfully, though, the protest was conducted in an Orthodox cathedral rather than a mosque, thereby liberating the liberals from the psychic meltdown of not knowing who or what to support. Which usually ends up expressing itself as total silence.
Who is Gail Walker?

The first page is obviously some tinfoil-hat outfit, the finnish page you linked is, as was clarified in the other thread:

Dude you have great sources, that Juha Molari guy is a major league reactionary piece of shit. His blog posts in Finnish are largely about just defending Russian state, stating that this court decision "shows Russia is a real Rechtsttaat*" and constantly referring to them as "criminals" because for the guy, that's what "anarchism" and insulting the Orthodox church are about. The guy is self-describedly "pro-Kreml" and "against homosexual relations". He's member of the Finnish Anti-Fascist Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Anti-Fascist_Committee) which, regardless of the name, has nothing to do with anti-fascism and they mostly like to spout Kreml talking points in the Finnish media. He's not the kind of guy whose blog you probably want to spread around here.

* for the lack of better term, "justice state" sounds stupid idk if there's actually an English equivalent

And then you have an openly sexist link and also decidedly tin-foil?
“The sad truth is that the West's support for Pussy Riot is, in reality, nothing more than yet another expression of its rabid hatred for anything Russian or Russian Orthodox. And if that means erecting a small group of sexually dysfunctional women into a banner for freedom, so be it! And that if that also means looking away from the obscene and outrageous persecution of a real hero for freedom like Julian Assange by the US Empire and its vassals - then so be it also!”

The only one buddying up with reactionaries is you, threetune.

[Sasha]

I was a bit concerned by your response at first, but closer careful examination of the web addresses revealed that not only are they different but so is the article.

Now I may be a “tool” as you say but unlike you I can recognise the deference between two totally different web addresses, two totally different articles by two completely different people written on two different dates.

I thought I would give you a chance to take down or amend your post before I return to the polemic with you about the OP.

Edit: Have any of your frends not pointed out your mistake or are they all as stupid as you?
Neue Rheinische Zeitung (http://www.revleft.com/vb/set-up-pussy-t174552/member.php?u=62564) for example.

Jezus fucking christ on a pogostick, what i meant is that the article I link to, and linked to in the previous thread you polluted with your reactionary dribble, explains and criticizes the situation in a far more convincing way than your tinfoil conspiracy bs.
But why do we need to defend our defense of pussyriot anyways? Why don't you explain your defense of putin for a change... oh wait let me guess, "anti-imperialism"? :laugh:

[Prof. Oblivion]

Was there extensive condemnation of the US for its murders in the media before? So how is the coverage of the Pussy Riot trial a "diversion"?

[Threetune]

[QUOTE=Majakovskij;2501030]So why is it that all your sources are reactionary as fuck? QUOTE]

You would say that wouldn’t you? Coming as you do from one of, if not the most, poisonous fetid puddles in the entire ‘left’ swamp.


So, are you talking about Psycho’s use of the putrid ‘New York Times’ article or your use of your own party’s bum liking
‘CWI.net’ which, when not ACTIVLY SUPPORTING ‘pussy riot’, is recruiting police and prison officers as “workers in uniform” and whose leading members famously went on TV to grass-up the poll tax rioters back in the day?

You will repeat and spread the leading bourgeois press opinion which together with the glitzy millionaire ‘art world’ almost unanimously lets loose its huge arsenal of anti Russian-sate propaganda. Which of course has everything to do with the fact that Putin’s bourgeois nationalism is defending Assad’s bourgeois nationalism from the western backed rebs in Syria.


By inviting Alexei Navalny to appear as a whiteness at their trial, ‘pussy riot’ are demonstrating that they are prepared to, at least cooperate, if not collaborate with the reactionary nationalist and racist Navalny and western bourgeois anti Russian-state propaganda. Bit like you really.

“This thread is so much better when you have Threetune on ignore.”:laugh:

[Threetune]

Jezus fucking christ on a pogostick, what i meant is that the article I link to, and linked to in the previous thread you polluted with your reactionary dribble, explains and criticizes the situation in a far more convincing way than your tinfoil conspiracy bs.
But why do we need to defend our defense of pussyriot anyways? Why don't you explain your defense of putin for a change... oh wait let me guess, "anti-imperialism"? :laugh:

You excuses and diversions are all your own. You didn’t even read it you slob.

[Rottenfruit]

In the floods of media condemnation of Russia here is a rare view.

“This is what Washington wants. As Washington continues to murder vast numbers of people around the globe, it will point its finger at the fate of Pussy Riot. The western bought-and-paid-for presstitute media will focus on Russia’s evil, not on the evil of Washington, London, and the EU puppet states who are slaughtering Muslims by the bucket-full.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32415 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32415)

“If a country is an amerikan ally, its people are amerikan slaves.”

DO me a favor dont type america as "Amerika" or "Amerikkka" its juvenile and flat out makes you look stupid

When i see somebody use Amerika here i think "oh man not another third worldist"

The answer is the most likly one, the members of Pussy Riot deicide to do this act to protest against Russia,

[Prometeo liberado]

I have it on good source that Malcolm Maclaren set this all up. Apparently the sun never sets on English genius!

[Threetune]

DO me a favor dont type america as "Amerika" or "Amerikkka" its juvenile and flat out makes you look stupid

When i see somebody use Amerika here i think "oh man not another third worldist"

The answer is the most likly one, the members of Pussy Riot deicide to do this act to protest against Russia,

Oh god not another one.

Apart from an entire generation of revisionist middle class youth who don’t recognise the existence of imperialism we also have a subsection that doesn’t recognise the conventions of accreditation and quotation marks.

Or to put it more bluntly – I didn’t write the piece you are referring to. Get it? Someone else is the author, which is why it starts and ends with “quotation” or “speech” marks to show that someone else wrote it.

The “quotation” is then followed by a link to a web address so that any reader can check out the accuracy or not of the “quote”. It’s the polite thing to do.

[Crux]

[QUOTE=Majakovskij;2501030]So why is it that all your sources are reactionary as fuck? QUOTE]

You would say that wouldn’t you? Coming as you do from one of, if not the most, poisonous fetid puddles in the entire ‘left’ swamp.


So, are you talking about Psycho’s use of the putrid ‘New York Times’ article or your use of your own party’s bum liking
‘CWI.net’ which, when not ACTIVLY SUPPORTING ‘pussy riot’, is recruiting police and prison officers as “workers in uniform” and whose leading members famously went on TV to grass-up the poll tax rioters back in the day?

You will repeat and spread the leading bourgeois press opinion which together with the glitzy millionaire ‘art world’ almost unanimously lets loose its huge arsenal of anti Russian-sate propaganda. Which of course has everything to do with the fact that Putin’s bourgeois nationalism is defending Assad’s bourgeois nationalism from the western backed rebs in Syria.


By inviting Alexei Navalny to appear as a whiteness at their trial, ‘pussy riot’ are demonstrating that they are prepared to, at least cooperate, if not collaborate with the reactionary nationalist and racist Navalny and western bourgeois anti Russian-state propaganda. Bit like you really.

“This thread is so much better when you have Threetune on ignore.”:laugh:
I base my opinion on what russian marxists say, you base it on tinfoilhat reactionaries and right-wing editorials. Of course you can't face up to that but start slinging your nonsense again. As a moderator I can no longer have you on ignore, because we need to keep an eye on how many times you step over the barricades, "comrade".

[Prof. Oblivion]

If the Pussy Riot trial is really a diversion, then the question one must ask is: diversion from what?

[Threetune]

If the Pussy Riot trial is really a diversion, then the question one must ask is: diversion from what?

Go on then, what?

[Threetune]

[QUOTE=Threetune;2501217]
I base my opinion on what russian marxists say, you base it on tinfoilhat reactionaries and right-wing editorials. Of course you can't face up to that but start slinging your nonsense again. As a moderator I can no longer have you on ignore, because we need to keep an eye on how many times you step over the barricades, "comrade".

So, still no agreement on who set up the ‘pussy riot’ stunt or why it galvanised the vast majority of both the ‘right’ and ‘left’ press of the west to campaign in their defence. Even that champion of capitalism ‘The New York Times’ rallied to their course as our most intelligent and erudite Moderators have already pointed out.

However, even our wise and all knowing Mods are at a loss to explain why “the girls” who are in fact women, managed to invite a notorious rightwing activist Alexei Navalnyi? to give evidence at their trial and why he is photographed with one of them at an anti-Putin demo before they became YouTube mega stars.


For those who don’t know, Alexei Navalnyi is a prominent anti-Putin blogger bloke who made a racist speech to a Russian nationalist mob last year and who any self respecting communist would kill on sight given the opportunity.
Never-the –less our wise and most esteemed Moderators are entirely right to disparage any and all speculation about this ‘left’ ‘right’ pro and anti-Putin collaboration in Russia at a time when Russian foreign policy is going nose-to-nose with western imperialist arming of Islamic terror in Syria.


After all Revleft can’t possibly allow the expression of individual or group opinion if not supported by the permitted rightist reading of ‘The New York Times’ or the ‘leftist’ ‘CWI.net’.


The fraternal and enduring alliance between Great Comrade Moderator Majakovskij and the Not Always Really That Great Comrade Moderator Psycho will, we beg, always and forever guide our standards of editorial propriety. Hoorar! Hoorar! Hoorar!

[Sasha]

If the Pussy Riot trial is really a diversion, then the question one must ask is: diversion from what?

Even if it was (which it wasn't) it would still be rather insignificant compared to the actual false flag "moscow apartment bombings" the FSB pulled to get putin in power and Russian troops back in chechnya. Being obnoxious in a church is quite small fry compared to blowing up hundreds of your own citizens and put the blame on others so you can invade those and kill, torture and rape tens of thousands of their civilians. Oh, and execute any journalists or lawyers that dare to dig for the truth about what happened ofcourse.

Yup, that's putin, another anti-imperialist hero we can believe in...

[Crux]

So, still no agreement on who set up the ‘pussy riot’ stunt or why it galvanised the vast majority of both the ‘right’ and ‘left’ press of the west to campaign in their defence. Even that champion of capitalism ‘The New York Times’ rallied to their course as our most intelligent and erudite Moderators have already pointed out.

However, even our wise and all knowing Mods are at a loss to explain why “the girls” who are in fact women, managed to invite a notorious rightwing activist Alexei Navalnyi? to give evidence at their trial and why he is photographed with one of them at an anti-Putin demo before they became YouTube mega stars.


For those who don’t know, Alexei Navalnyi is a prominent anti-Putin blogger bloke who made a racist speech to a Russian nationalist mob last year and who any self respecting communist would kill on sight given the opportunity.
Never-the –less our wise and most esteemed Moderators are entirely right to disparage any and all speculation about this ‘left’ ‘right’ pro and anti-Putin collaboration in Russia at a time when Russian foreign policy is going nose-to-nose with western imperialist arming of Islamic terror in Syria.


After all Revleft can’t possibly allow the expression of individual or group opinion if not supported by the permitted rightist reading of ‘The New York Times’ or the ‘leftist’ ‘CWI.net’.


The fraternal and enduring alliance between Great Comrade Moderator Majakovskij and the Not Always Really That Great Comrade Moderator Psycho will, we beg, always and forever guide our standards of editorial propriety. Hoorar! Hoorar! Hoorar!
What is this CWI.net you keep talking about? Anyway, unlike you, my comrades in russia are aware of things like political context (and both the left and the anti-Putin movement certainly has it's limitations there and is quite heterogenous), incidentally so is that editorial in the NYT. So can you defend the reactionary tinfoilhats and rightwingers you've linked to make your "case"? Go ahead. I'll wait.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Go on then, what?

You tell us; you're the one saying it is a distraction...

[Threetune]

CWI.net http://www.socialistworld.net/

[Crux]

CWI.net http://www.socialistworld.net/
see those addresses are not the same (http://www.cwi.net/). It was a rhetorical question anyway, like this one, why do you claim to be a Leninist when you seem to rely only on reactionaries for your political information?

[Threetune]

The campaign spreads.
http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Pussy+Riot+says+members+flee+Russia/7149802/story.html (http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Pussy+Riot+says+members+flee+Russia/7149802/story.html)

[Igor]

Threetune, I'd love to hear one thing: why exactly are you so eager to discredit Pussy Riot completely through some really thin shit but in the other hand are constantly defending Assange, a right-wing libertarian suspected for rape?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Threetune, I'd love to hear one thing: why exactly are you so eager to discredit Pussy Riot completely through some really thin shit but in the other hand are constantly defending Assange, a right-wing libertarian suspected for rape?

anti-imperialism, dude.

wait til he starts quoting Lenin.

[A Marxist Historian]

The tide of opinion may be turning.

“The sad truth is that the West's support for Pussy Riot is, in reality, nothing more than yet another expression of its rabid hatred for anything Russian or Russian Orthodox. And if that means erecting a small group of sexually dysfunctional women into a banner for freedom, so be it! And that if that also means looking away from the obscene and outrageous persecution of a real hero for freedom like Julian Assange by the US Empire and its vassals - then so be it also!”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32225.htm)

Are the Pussy Rioters pro-Western in any way, shape or form? I've seen no signs of that. For all we know, they defend Assange and Wikileaks too.

The "West" doesn't have a "rabid hatred" of the Russian Orthodox Church. Quite the contrary. Insofar as the PR band brings the vicious, anti-Semitic, ultra-reactionary Russian Orthodox Church, which the Bolsheviks fought tooth and nail, into disrepute, that's a good thing.

That anti-Putineers in the West are supporting them is merely a maneuver in the imperial rivalry between Russia and America & Britain. The enemies of our enemies are not always our friends. A fairly low level rivalry at the moment, which is why there's no huge pro-PR campaign in the press now, very unlike the witchhunting of Assange.

-M.H.-

[Crux]

Now that threetune is banned I suppose I can admit it. Yes, I set up the Pussy Riot stunt.