When Communism becomes significant

[Comrade #138672]

Perhaps it's not something to be concerned with right now, but I was wondering what would change if communism becomes significant again.

I'm worried about countermovements and how capitalists will respond to this in general -- once communism movements become significant enough to be a threat to them. Before communism and socialism were countered with fascism. Should we expect a rise in fascism again, and if so how "should" communists respond or protect themselves and the people?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Fight. Fight them as hard as you can. Don't give up.

[JPSartre12]

Perhaps it's not something to be concerned with right now, but I was wondering what would change if communism becomes significant again.

I'm worried about countermovements and how capitalists will respond to this in general -- once communism movements become significant enough to be a threat to them. Before communism and socialism were countered with fascism. Should we expect a rise in fascism again, and if so how "should" communists respond or protect themselves and the people?

You make a valid point, comrade. I think that it's very plausible that some seriously reactionary politics wil rear there ugly head if we start making actual strides.

That being said, I think that the things that we'll have to deal with will be very different because we're in a completely different historical moment with a different level of production. Socialist and communist movements in the early 1990s are going to be different than ones in the post-2000 era. Over a century of change has passed.

[Amon]

The bourgeoisie won't back down peacefully and will try and use force, which is why it may be a necessary evil for us to use violence, which is a shame but it will be needed if this is the case.

It will certainly get people thinking again, which is a good thing, since a lot of people believe communism is dead.

As stated above, reactionary politics and ideologies are to be expected, with great force no doubt.

[Strannik]

I'd predict that there will be reactionary groups with ideology so monumentally irrational that it would make nazis blush. At least they tried to appeal to masses somehow. 21. century reaction, once it really gets going, won't try to have mass support. It's tools will be techno-terrorism and tiny well-trained forces that try to scare and kill as many as they can.

[barbelo]

I sadly think communism became insignificant after Cold War.

The very fact that most leftists are actually people organizing in places like Twitter or here and bragging about irrelevant things like Assange or circumcision only shows the immaturity of 21th century communists.

Besides, most leftists, I would say trotskyists, simply decided that the now defunct Soviet Union and the soviet proxies world wide weren't legitimately representations of socialism; instead of learning with past mistakes... Turning a possible local or world revolution into more and more a irrational unreachable utopia.

[leftistman]

A communist revolution would be pointless in North America. The closest thing we have to one is Occupy Wall Street which is just a movement consisting of hippies and liberals, not that it will accomplish anything anyways. I can't imagine a communist revolution occurring in Europe. Only in South America or Asia where many sweatshops and most people are impoverished.

[ckaihatsu]

This thread *should* have been called 'When Communism becomes dismissed by communists' -- (!)

(Yeesh...!)