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Stirnerist
23rd August 2012, 22:06
Hi everyone, I was wondering if you could humour me on something. What would you say the "orientation" of someone who wrote this list, intending to criticise the people who follow it, was likely to be? What would you say the "orientation" of someone described by the list would be?


- Do not tolerate certain forms of humor.
- Oppose liberalization of prostitution.
- Against porn.
- For political correctness.
- Want power for groups, not individuals.
- Defend corporations no matter what.
- Attached to old views of work relations.
- Attached to esoteric or old definitions.
- Against the freedom to bear arms.
- Willing to stop people from having abortions.
- View the world as some sort of obligation providing mechanism, as though the universe owes them something.
- Want persons to feel guilt for things they never committed.
- More concerned with their feelings and emotions than logic or justice.
- View man as subject or below the aspirations of 'society.
- View any tangent political philosophy or questioning of their beliefs as a threat to themselves and "the greater movement".
- Accuse people of racism/Misogyny/etc. purely for having a different opinion even when that opinion is not inherently racist/misogynistic/etc.
- Not against taxation
- Sees association with people from groups who have opposing viewpoints as "treason" or "counter-revolutionary".

Smash the state... but defend the status quo!

Lets oppose the state.... and erect a different state more according to our liking!

EDIT: I forgot two of the list entries.

cynicles
24th August 2012, 00:12
I can't think of anyone who would follow all of that or any political ideology that would fit all those things with ideological consistency. Given the nature of the list and everything that's in it though I would venture to say that the person who wrote it was a lolbertarian and say that they were writing it to "describe" mainstream politics.

Rafiq
24th August 2012, 01:06
Easy. A Libertarian or an Objackoffist describing the antagonist of their fantasy land.

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Robespierres Neck
24th August 2012, 01:14
Yeah, I would politically classify this person as a libertarian over anything else.

Positivist
24th August 2012, 01:23
Whoever is writing this is a conservative or libertarian antagonzing liberals who they think are the same thing as socialists. Can you tell whoever made this list that liberals =/= socialists, and that us socialists oppose liberals and their defense of capitalism as much as we oppose conservatives and their defense of capitalism, which is also as much as we oppose libertarians and their defense of capitalism. Though the libertarian defense of capitalism is especially idiotic in mu opinion.

Amon
24th August 2012, 01:44
I agree with the other comments above. A conservative or libertarian if I had to put into a box and label them. Either way they are counter-revolutionary.

All those views stated are, to say the least, disgusting in every sense of the word.

Igor
24th August 2012, 01:46
Like a bad trip.

Fourth Internationalist
24th August 2012, 02:06
I can't think of anyone who would follow all of that or any political ideology that would fit all those things with ideological consistency. Given the nature of the list and everything that's in it though I would venture to say that the person who wrote it was a lolbertarian and say that they were writing it to "describe" mainstream politics.

I'd have to say this is correct.

Lynx
24th August 2012, 02:14
- Defend corporations no matter what.

This smells of Austrian school economics.

Veovis
24th August 2012, 02:20
Sounds a lot like a particularly obnoxious liberal-progressive to me.

Leftsolidarity
24th August 2012, 02:28
Sounds like someone doing a bad job at trying to slander another ideology

Susurrus
24th August 2012, 02:32
Probably a non-nazi fascist of some sort would be the closest, ie the Italians, the Falange, etc.

Stirnerist
24th August 2012, 02:56
Thanks for the replies one and all. Those who said "libertarian" are correct in one sense as that's how he self-identifies. I would say Susurrus is closer to the truth though, as I was thinking more along the lines of "Poujadism" (ie. the conservatism mixed with a defence of small business/self-employment). However, this person actually wrote the list to criticise what he sees as deviationist tendencies within "libertarianism/anarchism" (his words). What he actually posted was this:


Conservative libertarians and anarchists piss me off.

Before the paleo-cons, right-wingers and minarchists jump at me, no I don't mean you... let me clarify a little more:

Lots of (British especially) libertarians and anarchists:

The list above then follows. When I pointed out that his list looked like nothing more than a right-wing diatribe, he accused me of "sectarianism" and claimed to be a leftist. I thought to myself "That doesn't sound like any leftists I know", so I decided to ask the best leftist community I know of (you're vulnerable to flattery, right? ;)) for your views. Don't hesitate to let me know if this changes anything.

levyel
24th August 2012, 06:51
Where I live a lot of those views would be those of the run-of-the-mill Democrat, although most of those descriptors aren't even meaningful (e.g., thinks the universe owes them something). There's not enough, or any, sustenance to the post for me to accurately ascribe any detailed political orientation to those set of beliefs. I think it would require a leap just to establish they favored any further deluded form of liberal democracy.

Now that you've said what he purports to be, I can actually see some dolt self-identifying as an anarchist saying that. However, I can't help but :laugh: at his sectarianism charge. This is the Internet, there are dumb people everywhere.

human strike
24th August 2012, 12:56
I agree with the other comments above. A conservative or libertarian if I had to put into a box and label them. Either way they are counter-revolutionary.

All those views stated are, to say the least, disgusting in every sense of the word.

All of them are disgusting? I agree with at least 2 of them, perhaps 3 or 4...

Philosophos
24th August 2012, 13:13
Maybe he's a liberal-conservative curious :lol: . I don't actually know, there are lots of guys that have their own opinions and we can't name them each one differently. It's like I'm a Marxist but I don't agree with one thing that Marx said and then I'm a Revolutionary Anti-Materializing Marxist :laugh:

ВАЛТЕР
24th August 2012, 13:18
Sounds like a fucking idiot to me.

Leftsolidarity
24th August 2012, 14:00
That person doesn't have a damn clue what left wing is

Sea
25th August 2012, 04:28
Maybe someone raised to be a Christian conservative who's getting their feet wet in left-of-center liberalism.