American Dream... what a joke!

[Radikal]

I am in 11th grade, and I thought that the pro-America & pro-Christian stuff was going to be like years prior, just the Pledge of Allegiance and other pointless and stuff that I don't give a crap about. Well, that shit is different. In my English class, we have to do a project about the American Dream and how it exists. Also, she played some dumbass Christian rock and read a speech from John Winthrop, who said that he wanted for it to be a Theocracy in America. Furthermore, she says that many people around the world want to come here (:rolleyes:). Anyways, what do you guys think about this "American Dream" B.S.?

Also, my US History (coughwhitewashingofusgenocideofnativesandblacksco ughcough) teacher said that your either Liberal or Conservative, and that Romney and Obama are extremely different. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[rylasasin]

It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - George Carlin.

There, I just saved you 10 boobless hours on your project :laugh:

[Marxaveli]

It sounds like your teacher has been reading too many Horatio Alger stories. Sadly, your real education wont begin until you go to College - high school is a pure indoctrination session and looking back on it now, at age 34, I realize I didn't learn jack shit back then.

You COULD do an American Nightmare paper just to spite her, lol, which would demonstrate that you can think critically, but that may end up hurting you, since critical thinking isnt encouraged or taught until you go to college or you do your own self-research. Probably just do it the way she wants you to, since it is obvious you already have a head on your shoulders and know its complete BS.

[Radikal]

It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - George Carlin.

There, I just saved you 10 boobless hours on your project :laugh:

Yeah, I love that quote. But I don't want to fail because the only way I can get into college is through scholarships and loans, and I'd rather scholarships! Damn bourgeoisie system, either conform or be broke. If that wasn't a factor I would absolutely laugh at the prospect of doing the project.

[Radikal]

It sounds like your teacher has been reading too many Horatio Alger stories. Sadly, your real education wont begin until you go to College - high school is a pure indoctrination session and looking back on it now, at age 34, I realize I didn't learn jack shit back then.

You COULD do an American Nightmare paper just to spite her, lol, which would demonstrate that you can think critically, but that may end up hurting you, since critical thinking isnt encouraged or taught until you go to college or you do your own self-research. Probably just do it the way she wants you to, since it is obvious you already have a head on your shoulders and know its complete BS.

Yeah, indoctrination is heavy. Someone at my school thought Hitler was a Communist! :blink:

It only takes a little research into the history of the Holocaust to find out about how Communists were sent to camps too. :glare:

[cynicles]

Do a report on how it was a concept manufactured in the 40s(50s?) and is complete bullshit.

coughialwaysthoughtthatwasabigpartofthereasonwhyth eysupportedzionistethiniccleansingandcolonizations omuchcough

[RedHammer]

The sad part is that many of these teachers genuinely believe that they are educating you. *sigh*

I didn't get a good education in history until my senior year in high school, when we read A Peoples' History of the United State by Howard Zinn, and focused largely on Latin American history (which is full of examples of American imperialism). My teacher was a self-described communist and hung up a Che Guevara poster on the wall :cool:

Regarding this assignment, be critical. Write about the American Nightmare; or alternatively, you could talk about how the "American Dream" is not a reality for so many Americans.

[Zostrianos]

Reminds me of when the Texas board of education recently tried to rewrite history, by giving a more conservative taint to school textbooks - including replacing "imperialism" with "expansionism", portraying the NRA and conservatives in a positive light as pillars of America, emphasizing the "Christian nation" myth, etc... (I don't know if they actually went through with it in the end)

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[Igor]

"American nightmare" sounds obnoxious as fuck don't use it. But yeah, don't use the thing to be your commie soapbox, it will not convince people to go "america is bad", but focus on the actual problems and keep it as basic as possible. Don't try to sneak in blatantly commie viewpoints or shit about how it's a manufactured concept; people will not give a shit or they will think you're a conspiracy theorist and most of all, it flies well over the level of detail they've received in high school history. I'd rather just dig up some statistics on poverty and hunger in US today and maybe shit like that, problems nobody can dispute are problems in the first place. It's a high school representation and that way you are more likely to get positive response from people than being that communist kid. High school is not really the stage for agitation, education or whatever, just making them ask some very basic questions should be enough and considered a small victory.

[Zostrianos]

just making them ask some very basic questions should be enough and considered a small victory.

Such as
"why are the poor denied healthcare if they can't pay?"

"why is there so much crime in America (where drugs are illegal, and jail sentences are harsh), while in northern Europe (where in many countries drugs are legal, crime rehabilitation is emphasized, etc.) it's almost nonexistent?"

[Radikal]

The sad part is that many of these teachers genuinely believe that they are educating you. *sigh*

I didn't get a good education in history until my senior year in high school, when we read A Peoples' History of the United State by Howard Zinn, and focused largely on Latin American history (which is full of examples of American imperialism). My teacher was a self-described communist and hung up a Che Guevara poster on the wall :cool:

Regarding this assignment, be critical. Write about the American Nightmare; or alternatively, you could talk about how the "American Dream" is not a reality for so many Americans.

Heh, I want to be a History teacher, but I'm afraid of there being a new McCarthy era in the future, and not being allowed to teach.

[rylasasin]

In all seriousness though, I would recommend just writing up some bullshit paper filled basically with the kind of shit she basically wants to hear (the american dream is good the america dream is a reality blah blah blah) and get it over with. The important part is that you know its bullshit and why its bullshit.

If you want to do a piece why the american dream is BS, do it on your own time.

IMO, when it comes to people like that (Especially ones that hold an illusion of power) you're not going to change their minds, so don't bother. I've learned that the hard way. And doing shit just to spite her for her ignorance is just going to get you in trouble, now and later.

Being a Marxist is not like being a christian missionary. You don't HAVE to try to convert everyone you meet. Karl Marx is not going to come out of the sky and beat you over the head with a massive stone copy of Das Kapital or fry you with revolutionary lightning bolts for choosing to back down from a fight you have no chance on winning anyway.

... unless of course you have to present it in front of the whole class. That's another story (maybe)...

[Igor]

Yeah, I understood it was a presentation for the whole class. If it's not, bullshit all you can to get the grades you want.

[Radikal]

In all seriousness though, I would recommend just writing up some bullshit paper filled basically with the kind of shit she basically wants to hear (the american dream is good the america dream is a reality blah blah blah) and get it over with. The important part is that you its bullshit and why its bullshit.

If you want to do a piece why the american dream is BS, do it on your own time.

IMO, when it comes to people like that (Especially ones that hold an illusion of power) you're not going to change their minds, so don't bother. I've learned that the hard way. And doing shit just to spite her for her ignorance is just going to get you in trouble, now and later.

Being a Marxist is not like being a christian missionary. You don't HAVE to try to convert everyone you meet. Karl Marx is not going to come out of the sky and beat you over the head with a massive stone copy of Das Kapital or fry you with revolutionary lightning bolts for choosing to back down from a fight you have no chance on winning anyway.

... unless of course you have to present it in front of the whole class. That's another story (maybe)...

Eh, I think we are going to present. We also have to get songs and other things (Hehe). I am not trying to convert, I just don't want to feel like I'm doing a disservice to myself.

[Positivist]

Do a report on how it was a concept manufactured in the 40s(50s?) and is complete bullshit.

coughialwaysthoughtthatwasabigpartofthereasonwhyth eysupportedzionistethiniccleansingandcolonizations omuchcough

You could legitimately do this one if you ask her before hand if you are allowed to do a project on the origins of the concept. Being that your cherokee her "I'm a teacher so I can't be mean to the colored kid (as much as she'd like to be)" might kick in and you could get away with it while simutaneously informing your classmates that the American Dream an invented concept and wasn't some god ordained fact of life or something.

[Aussie Trotskyist]

I am in 11th grade, and I thought that the pro-America & pro-Christian stuff was going to be like years prior, just the Pledge of Allegiance and other pointless and stuff that I don't give a crap about. Well, that shit is different. In my English class, we have to do a project about the American Dream and how it exists. Also, she played some dumbass Christian rock and read a speech from John Winthrop, who said that he wanted for it to be a Theocracy in America. Furthermore, she says that many people around the world want to come here (:rolleyes:). Anyways, what do you guys think about this "American Dream" B.S.?

Also, my US History (coughwhitewashingofusgenocideofnativesandblacksco ughcough) teacher said that your either Liberal or Conservative, and that Romney and Obama are extremely different. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Dear god am I glad I don't study in the US.

Then again, I'd kill for the chance to, in the middle of class, stand, raise a clenched fist salute, and sing the The Internationale. Also, give them the truth about all this shit they are telling you. Back it up with proof, and they can't mark you down for it (and if they do, complain).

[Igor]

Dear god am I glad I don't study in the US.

Then again, I'd kill for the chance to, in the middle of class, stand, raise a clenched fist salute, and sing the The Internationale. Also, give them the truth about all this shit they are telling you. Back it up with proof, and they can't mark you down for it (and if they do, complain).

that would be a bad idea

[Radikal]

Dear god am I glad I don't study in the US.

Then again, I'd kill for the chance to, in the middle of class, stand, raise a clenched fist salute, and sing the The Internationale. Also, give them the truth about all this shit they are telling you. Back it up with proof, and they can't mark you down for it (and if they do, complain).

People would just look at me like an I'm an idiot, which would be ironic.

[Aussie Trotskyist]

I kind of meant it metaphorically. Whenever they begin to rant about 'capitalism is the best, long live America' give them an argument. Tell them 'bullshit' and debate it with them.

Edit: I just though of something else. Compare the American Dream to fascism. It comes under all 14 Defining Characteristics of fascism: http://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

[Radikal]

You could legitimately do this one if you ask her before hand if you are allowed to do a project on the origins of the concept. Being that your cherokee her "I'm a teacher so I can't be mean to the colored kid (as much as she'd like to be)" might kick in and you could get away with it while simutaneously informing your classmates that the American Dream an invented concept and wasn't some god ordained fact of life or something.

I'm not coloured; my Cherokee is relatively invisible except some physical features. But I am very proud of my ancestry, however.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Oh wow, is it really that bad? I'm not so learned on American education besides the want for mass privatisation and that revolting pledge of allegiance they hit children with. Would you be able to elaborate on how biased some of these history classes are? (The worst I'd ever had was when my history teacher proclaimed that Communism was a ploy to take over the world, centered around everyone becoming working-class slaves to a mustached stalinoid dynasty :laugh:)

On topic, the American Dream is a load of unrealistic nonsense, and I advise you to actually challenge your teacher on these points with solid evidence to the contrary. Sure, it won't make your classmates go 'Capitalism is horrid, raise the red flag of rrrrrrrrrrrevolution!', but it will probably have the effect of them taking what your teacher says with a grain of salt.

[Radikal]

Oh wow, is it really that bad? I'm not so learned on American education besides the want for mass privatisation and that revolting pledge of allegiance they hit children with. Would you be able to elaborate on how biased some of these history classes are? (The worst I'd ever had was when my history teacher proclaimed that Communism was a ploy to take over the world, centered around everyone becoming working-class slaves to a mustached stalinoid dynasty :laugh:)

On topic, the American Dream is a load of unrealistic nonsense, and I advise you to actually challenge your teacher on these points with solid evidence to the contrary. Sure, it won't make your classmates go 'Capitalism is horrid, raise the red flag of rrrrrrrrrrrevolution!', but it will probably have the effect of them taking what your teacher says with a grain of salt.

Yeah, my US History teacher has a timeline around her class, and it has Presidents and other events, and at 1991 it says "COMMUNISM FAILED"

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Beeth]

A word of advice. Don't try to be honest in high school. Or else you will antagonize people. Just play along and get good grades, or people may make your life miserable because they may accuse you of being a traitor etc. focus on such activism later on in your life.

[Liberty]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams. America is the land of opportunity, and we have granted the peoples' dreams from Communist China to Socialist South America. Where other economic systems fail, Capitalism cleans up the mess.

Just imagine, you are sitting where billions of others can only dream. It is so great to have such freedom, isn't it?

[Radikal]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams. America is the land of opportunity, and we have granted the peoples' dreams from Communist China to Socialist South America. Where other economic systems fail, Capitalism cleans up the mess.

Just imagine, you are sitting where billions of others can only dream. It is so great to have such freedom, isn't it?

What? Are you serious?

You've never been below poverty line, have you? You don't know how it is, when you're poor and don't know when you're next meal will come from. All you Libertarians are middle-class shits who think they can become rich (There are who do, but they become bourgeoisie). Don't come at me with this "Land of Opportunity" shit. Opportunity for the privileged. I've seen immigrants from China, and they ain't exactly happy. Only Nationalists and other brainwashed people believe in the American Dream.

Also, China ain't no Communist country. It has been capitalist since Deng Xiopeng took over after Mao. You need to research more.

[rylasasin]

What? Are you serious?

Ehhhh just ignore him. Liberty is was our.... Village Moron of the Moment/Troll of the Time (they tend to come and go from these boards before either giving up completely or letting their reactionary tenancies get the better of them and getting B&) :closedeyes:

Also he's not a Libertarian. Libertarians try to be anti-war (if only for the reason that it wastes money and its gov. intervention.) Liberty is was basically just a teatard.

[Zostrianos]

He's a Teabagger

[Aussie Trotskyist]

Ehhhh just ignore him. Liberty is our.... Village Moron of the Moment/Troll of the Time (they tend to come and go from these boards before either giving up completely or letting their reactionary tenancies get the better of them and getting B&) :closedeyes:

Also he's not a Libertarian. Libertarians try to be anti-war (if only for the reason that it wastes money and its gov. intervention.) Liberty is basically just a teatard.

Wait... Obviously this is in the Opposing Ideologies forum.

Lesson of the story, if you don't want a discussion to be interrupted, don;t post it here.

[l'Enfermé]

Liberty still hasn't explained to me where he got the idea that millions of Jews were killed in the Soviet Union half a decade after WWII ended, in what he called a "Red Holocaust". :(

[m1omfg]

Socialist South America? Liberty, you mean that South America on planet Earth that was mostly run by CIA sponsored right wing dictatorships for the last 100 years? And China is not Communist, Socialist, not even a Soviet-style planned economy. It is more capitalist than USA.

[Radikal]

Wait... Obviously this is in the Opposing Ideologies forum.

Lesson of the story, if you don't want a discussion to be interrupted, don;t post it here.

I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. :tongue_smilie:

But I do want to see what some of these reactionaries have to say, mostly for the lulz. :D

[Radikal]

Ehhhh just ignore him. Liberty is was our.... Village Moron of the Moment/Troll of the Time (they tend to come and go from these boards before either giving up completely or letting their reactionary tenancies get the better of them and getting B&) :closedeyes:

Also he's not a Libertarian. Libertarians try to be anti-war (if only for the reason that it wastes money and its gov. intervention.) Liberty is was basically just a teatard.

Ah. I thought was a Libertarian, based on his name. :tongue_smilie:

[Raúl Duke]

I didn't get the making of a good education 'till Sophomore year of college...and even then it wasn't much of a foundation for what college is about (i.e. compulsory school History is mostly rote memorization. History in college is about interpretation, research, analysis through examination of sources).

[ВАЛТЕР]

I'd just give my life story about how my family fled to America from a war torn nation only to end up bankrupt and struggling to make ends meet, to the point we moved back to Serbia, while my father goes back and forth driving a truck for six months at a time without seeing his family in order to send us money. We figured if we are going to be poor we may as well be poor here where we own our house and money from abroad is worth a bit more.

[Regicollis]

Fulfil the assignment and write about how the American Dream exists - i.e. write about poverty, student debt and foreclosures.

But be sure to back up your paper with facts from sources your teacher is going to accept - like government sources.

[RedHammer]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams. America is the land of opportunity, and we have granted the peoples' dreams from Communist China to Socialist South America. Where other economic systems fail, Capitalism cleans up the mess.

Just imagine, you are sitting where billions of others can only dream. It is so great to have such freedom, isn't it?

Not really. Some people have found success. I'll grant you that. And politically, the United States is more free than, say, some other countries. I'll grant you that.

But the unfortunate reality is that for many Americans, a vicious cycle of poverty persists through the generations. Many Americans don't know where their next meal will come from; or when they'll be able to see a doctor. Or how they'll pay for college.

And all of this despite the fact that this country [the U.S.A] has more resources and more wealth than any other country on the planet. How much wealth do we have locked up in the hands of a few? What could we achieve with that? Look around you: how "hard" are the 1% working, as they make money off of money and outsource jobs?

No. American capitalism is far from being a genuine meritocracy - capitalism will never, never can be, a genuine meritocracy. And you forget: part of the reason why "America is so great" is the exploitation of the rest of the world. What about their American Dream?

[Zostrianos]

And all of this despite the fact that this country [the U.S.A] has more resources and more wealth than any other country on the planet. How much wealth do we have locked up in the hands of a few? What could we achieve with that? Look around you: how "hard" are the 1% working, as they make money off of money and outsource jobs?

A few years ago I read somewhere that the money that the US wasted on the war in Iraq per year was enough to feed most of Africa for 20 years. Tell me that's not criminal.

[Marxaveli]

Liberty is the prototypical American that read "Ragged Dick" in high school and believes every world of it - false consciousness at its best. The elites love people like you.

[Radikal]

Liberty is the prototypical American that read "Ragged Dick" in high school and believes every world of it - false consciousness at its best. The elites love people like you.

Ragged Dick? What is it, some Ayn Rand-esque book?

[Marxaveli]

Not quite. Ayn Rand's work is much more sociopath-like, and much more direct and graphic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragged_Dick

[Radikal]

Not quite. Ayn Rand's work is much more sociopath-like, and much more direct and graphic.

Ah, thanks for clarification.

[DrZaiu5]

It seems that they'll let any idiot teach nowadays.

[m1omfg]

And all of this despite the fact that this country [the U.S.A] has more resources and more wealth than any other country on the planet. How much wealth do we have locked up in the hands of a few? What could we achieve with that? Look around you: how "hard" are the 1% working, as they make money off of money and outsource jobs?

No. American capitalism is far from being a genuine meritocracy - capitalism will never, never can be, a genuine meritocracy. And you forget: part of the reason why "America is so great" is the exploitation of the rest of the world. What about their American Dream?

Actually in many Western European countries the wealth per capita is far higher than in the US.

[NGNM85]

I am in 11th grade, and I thought that the pro-America & pro-Christian stuff was going to be like years prior, just the Pledge of Allegiance and other pointless and stuff that I don't give a crap about. Well, that shit is different. In my English class, we have to do a project about the American Dream and how it exists. Also, she played some dumbass Christian rock and read a speech from John Winthrop, who said that he wanted for it to be a Theocracy in America. Furthermore, she says that many people around the world want to come here (:rolleyes:). Anyways, what do you guys think about this "American Dream" B.S.?


It gets better in college.


However; I think there are ways you could turn this around. Why not write about the financial crisis? You could write about how a cluster of financial institutions, and their puppets in Washington caused the greatest financial disaster since the great depression, and destroyed the possibility of millions of Americans to realize that 'dream.' I would really focus on the forteclosures, on the effect on the families who lost their homes.

[p0is0n]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams. America is the land of opportunity, and we have granted the peoples' dreams from Communist China to Socialist South America. Where other economic systems fail, Capitalism cleans up the mess.

Just imagine, you are sitting where billions of others can only dream. It is so great to have such freedom, isn't it?
I recently returned from a month-long expedition, if you will, to the United States. Most of the neighborhoods consisted of run-down, rotting, decaying and broken houses, with garbage and dirt and trash riddling the streets and a horrible smell of rotting garbage and dog piss penetrating your nose. These 46 million people of yours that live under the poverty line are everything but transparent.

This is your american dream and your american opportunity.

[International_Solidarity]

Yeah, I'm in 11 grade too. They teach jack-shit. My school teaches that Manifest Destiny was a good thing and that it led the "heroic spread west". What total Bourgeois bullshit, thousands of Mexicans and Natives died because of that stupidity!

[cynicles]

From what I understand the US cheats on it's GDP by adjusting for lower priced products or something like that, anyways it makes the US GDP appear larger then it actually is so there are probably a lot of western nations that have a hgiher GDP then the US taking that into account.

[Radikal]

Yeah, I'm in 11 grade too. They teach jack-shit. My school teaches that Manifest Destiny was a good thing and that it led the "heroic spread west". What total Bourgeois bullshit, thousands of Mexicans and Natives died because of that stupidity!

Damn, not even my US History class goes that far. :huh:

Anyways, I did my report. I wrote and recited a poem called "American Nightmare". Yeah, that set the tone of the project! :laugh:

Also I had a Malcolm X quote. 'Twas awesome. When I get my poem back, I'll put it here, for viewing purposes.

[Radikal]

I recently returned from a month-long expedition, if you will, to the United States. Most of the neighborhoods consisted of run-down, rotting, decaying and broken houses, with garbage and dirt and trash riddling the streets and a horrible smell of rotting garbage and dog piss penetrating your nose. These 46 million people of yours that live under the poverty line are everything but transparent.

This is your american dream and your american opportunity.

If you care to tell, where do you come from? Just curious. :cool:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Fulfil the assignment and write about how the American Dream exists - i.e. write about poverty, student debt and foreclosures.

But be sure to back up your paper with facts from sources your teacher is going to accept - like government sources.


It gets better in college.

However; I think there are ways you could turn this around. Why not write about the financial crisis? You could write about how a cluster of financial institutions, and their puppets in Washington caused the greatest financial disaster since the great depression, and destroyed the possibility of millions of Americans to realize that 'dream.' I would really focus on the forteclosures, on the effect on the families who lost their homes.

This. A thousand times this.

There is nothing more rewarding than beating the bastards at their own game. Good practice for life in the workplace, too.

[ВАЛТЕР]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams.


If you ever in your life said that to me. I would break every single bone in your body regardless of the consequences. You piece of shit. You have no idea how hard my father worked and still works to try and support our family. How much he struggles to keep food on our table. This is a man who is a furrier by trade, ran his own shop in Sarajevo before the war and had high hopes for the future of his family. Something that was taken away from him by savages like you. Now he is stuck in a truck in the US for a majority of the year, not seeing his family for months at a time. My father works harder than anybody you have ever met in your life, and you say something like this? Fuck you. I sincerely hope you die in a car fire.

[m1omfg]

From what I understand the US cheats on it's GDP by adjusting for lower priced products or something like that, anyways it makes the US GDP appear larger then it actually is so there are probably a lot of western nations that have a hgiher GDP then the US taking that into account.

USA has a high net GDP, but not the highest GDP per capita. USA has big net wealth, so does China, but it is the per capita GDP that really matters, and USA is far from the top in that.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The American dream is only a joke to those who haven't strived enough to match their dreams.

So the dream of millions is to go without adequate healthcare? Are you dizzy?


America is the land of opportunity, and we have granted the peoples' dreams from Communist China to Socialist South America.

Where the Soviet Union had "Potemkin Villages", the United States has "Potemkin People", their exceptional stories passed off as typical. Except for the millions of others who struggle in poverty, of course.


Where other economic systems fail, Capitalism cleans up the mess.

Ahem. Global warming.


Just imagine, you are sitting where billions of others can only dream. It is so great to have such freedom, isn't it?

Did you just admit that it's all a crock of shit? Fucking LOL!

Your doublethink would make Big Brother proud.

[Ocean Seal]

In all seriousness though, I would recommend just writing up some bullshit paper filled basically with the kind of shit she basically wants to hear (the american dream is good the america dream is a reality blah blah blah) and get it over with. The important part is that you know its bullshit and why its bullshit.

Nah some things are worth fucking with yo.

[Thirsty Crow]

I recently returned from a month-long expedition, if you will, to the United States. Most of the neighborhoods consisted of run-down, rotting, decaying and broken houses, with garbage and dirt and trash riddling the streets and a horrible smell of rotting garbage and dog piss penetrating your nose. These 46 million people of yours that live under the poverty line are everything but transparent.

This is your american dream and your american opportunity.
Yeah but they didn't strive hard enough, you see?
(disregarding the fact that other concrete individuals would live such lives if these strived hard enough, of course)

It's useless really. The mere fact that there isn't a legally fixed document, backed by violence and/or the threat of it, preventing certain groups of people from occupying a position is enough. There is opportunity alas!

[Baseball]

Yeah, I'm in 11 grade too. They teach jack-shit. My school teaches that Manifest Destiny was a good thing and that it led the "heroic spread west". What total Bourgeois bullshit, thousands of Mexicans and Natives died because of that stupidity!


So what were the Mexicans doing there? Or are they exempt from condemnation for a "heroic move" north?

[Rafiq]

So what were the Mexicans doing there? Or are they exempt from condemnation for a "heroic move" north?

Because Mexicans came from Europe and colonized it, right?

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[Ocean Seal]

So what were the Mexicans doing there? Or are they exempt from condemnation for a "heroic move" north?
Dude what the fuck is that supposed to mean. What were the Armenians doing in Turkey? The gypsies in Eastern Europe? The Jews in Germany? Massacring a populace or ethnically cleansing an area isn't fucking acceptable, regardless of what you call it.

[l'Enfermé]

The Armenians, actually, were mostly in Armenia, which then encompassed a considerable part of Eastern Anatolia, though the Ottomans preferred to pretend they were in Turkey, like they prefer to call the Kurds "Mountain Turks". What we call today "Armenia" was just Eastern Armenia/Russian Armenia back then.

[James Connolly]

Pssh, the 'American dream'... Exploitation apologism I call it.

[Radikal]

Dude what the fuck is that supposed to mean. What were the Armenians doing in Turkey? The gypsies in Eastern Europe? The Jews in Germany? Massacring a populace or ethnically cleansing an area isn't fucking acceptable, regardless of what you call it.

... Africans in South Africa, Palestinians in Israel, Natives in the Americas, Aboriginals in Australia, and Scots, the Irish, and the Welsh of Great Britain. Just adding on to your list. :cool: