Dark Knight Rises

[The Intransigent Faction]

I'm sure there's probably been another thread/threads about this but I just saw it and I'm wondering what you all think.

There are clear reactionary tones in this movie, but it had its enjoyable moments. I personally was inspired by Bane's speech here :D:

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[Veovis]

I did an involuntary fist pump into the air whenever a cop got iced. Other than that and Bane's silly voice, it was kinda meh.

[Positivist]

Bane kicked ass and the part where everybody was parrying in some former rich guys home and Selina kyle looked at a family photo and went "this used to be somebody's home meh" sucked.

[Jazzratt]

Bane kicked ass and the part where everybody was parrying in some former rich guys home and Selina kyle looked at a family photo and went "this used to be somebody's home meh" sucked. When I saw that bit I thought "Yeah, someone's unreasonably massive home."

[#FF0000]

The more I think about it, the less i liked it.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Honestly, I loved Bane and Cat Woman. My date had to pull me back into the seat because I stood up and applauded when Bane started blowing up my city.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I have a feeling most of us here were the happiest during the scenes when "bad-things" were happening. Like when those rich-fucks were getting dragged out into the street and the cops were living in a hole in the ground, etc. So I thoroughly enjoyed it except for the fact that Bane was going to blow up the place no matter what.

[Positivist]

I have a feeling most of us here were the happiest during the scenes when "bad-things" were happening. Like when those rich-fucks were getting dragged out into the street and the cops were living in a hole in the ground, etc. So I thoroughly enjoyed it except for the fact that Bane was going to blow up the place no matter what.

Yes.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I have a feeling most of us here were the happiest during the scenes when "bad-things" were happening. Like when those rich-fucks were getting dragged out into the street and the cops were living in a hole in the ground, etc. So I thoroughly enjoyed it except for the fact that Bane was going to blow up the place no matter what.

I enjoyed this fact.

[Jazzratt]

I have a feeling most of us here were the happiest during the scenes when "bad-things" were happening. Like when those rich-fucks were getting dragged out into the street and the cops were living in a hole in the ground, etc. So I thoroughly enjoyed it except for the fact that Bane was going to blow up the place no matter what.
To be honest it felt like the film had to have the bomb thing (and the various scenes of people forced to live in squalor and the whole "no evidence or due process" thing at the trials) because they'd done a poor job of communicating to the audience that these bad things were happening to otherwise good people - since it never really went out of its way to show Gotham's elite as anything other than decadent revelers in corruption [which is quite true to life]. Obviously communists watching are 1) not the target audience and 2) predisposed to not giving a toss what happens to rich people or coppers but I think that it wouldn't have taken too much effort to give a greater sense of humanity to the victims of Bane's uprising which would have at least made their fates feel vaguely unjustified without having to piss about with all that fusion bomb bollocks.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

To be honest it felt like the film had to have the bomb thing (and the various scenes of people forced to live in squalor and the whole "no evidence or due process" thing at the trials) because they'd done a poor job of communicating to the audience that these bad things were happening to otherwise good people - since it never really went out of its way to show Gotham's elite as anything other than decadent revelers in corruption [which is quite true to life]. Obviously communists watching are 1) not the target audience and 2) predisposed to not giving a toss what happens to rich people or coppers but I think that it wouldn't have taken too much effort to give a greater sense of humanity to the victims of Bane's uprising which would have at least made their fates feel vaguely unjustified without having to piss about with all that fusion bomb bollocks.
Yeah that's true, but the whole premise of Bane wanting to blow the place up is everybody in Gotham is corrupted while Batman is that sparkling hope in the distance that the corrupt city of Gotham can in fact be saved. It's a little hard to convey to the audience that the place is a corrupt shit hole while at the same time conveying the message that it's really not, that it's saveable. At least it is when the whole series has been conveying that message that Gotham is basically a city just eroding at the very core with corruption. Glimmers of hope here and there, but not really much.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

I thought it was a bit boring. I first saw it at midnight, and then with my dad, his friend and my sister another day, and I enjoyed it more. During the first scene on the plane, my sister leaned over and asked, "I like that guy in the mask, is he Batman?".

[Jimmie Higgins]

To be honest it felt like the film had to have the bomb thing (and the various scenes of people forced to live in squalor and the whole "no evidence or due process" thing at the trials) because they'd done a poor job of communicating to the audience that these bad things were happening to otherwise good people - since it never really went out of its way to show Gotham's elite as anything other than decadent revelers in corruption [which is quite true to life]. Obviously communists watching are 1) not the target audience and 2) predisposed to not giving a toss what happens to rich people or coppers but I think that it wouldn't have taken too much effort to give a greater sense of humanity to the victims of Bane's uprising which would have at least made their fates feel vaguely unjustified without having to piss about with all that fusion bomb bollocks.

I thought that their attempts to push "real-life" buttons was shallow and disappointing as much as the filmmaker's assumptions were pretty conservative. Just on a film-level I think it would have been better if they kept Gothem a shit-hole where maybe some people might think, "eh, Bane or the status-quo... maybe Bane might be better". Instead of feeling like he was "unnecessary" maybe Batman could have been retired because he was plain demoralized and physically wreaked. I think it would have made it more dramatic and hit more of a social nerve even if they kept their assumptions about crime and terrorism and revolution and Bane was still just a warlord using populist rhetoric. Like why even have that in the movie if it really doen't matter what he's telling people. He could have just been on the football field and said, "You're all corrupt fat people who like spectacle, so I'll give you some spectacle..." Boom!. No one in the city was like "yeah Bane's a populist" and the prisoner-army were more 2 dimensional than 60s Batman TV graphics so it wasn't like they were in it for "the revolution" either. So the only "audience" for Bane's populist flim-flam was the movie audience... so it came off not only as politics that I disagreed with, but more sinfully in terms of film, just didactic and inorganic to the what was happening on screen.

I feel like with this movie they had several different story ideas and rather than zero in on "batman's retired" or "batman's injured" or "batman is the same as a terrorist" or "batman can't go it alone" or "order vs. revolution" or any number of other story threads... they included all of them and the movie lacked focus and dramatic punch because of it IMO.

The first one can pretty easily be thematically summed up with: "What separates vigilante-justice from terrorist justice" and the second one with "How can you enforce rules when you break rules" but the third... what? "Can you wipe the slate clean and be reborn" I think is the unifying theme but it was kind of done in a skattershot way. Oh shit, we have one last movie... let's throw it all in there!

All in all I was entertained by it, but thought it was weak and, other than stylistically, not as different from any comic book movie (I mean a huge ticking timebomb!) as critics make it out to be.