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Comrades Unite!
15th August 2012, 18:01
Fascism is Unitarian ideology.
Musolini was Bolshevic btw, he described "Bolshevism" with a word closer to the italians - "Fascism" (болшевик, the literal meaning of "bolshevism" means "majority")
The symbol of Fascism are the united sticks, reperessenting national unity. This symbol is actually pretty damn common in indo-european cultures (including mine)
The goal of Fascism was the the creation of "Corpora" (Corpora mean "body". He wanted to merge the people and state into one abstract being "Corpora")
The goal of Communism is the creation of "Commune" (merge or people and state).
You can pretend that "Corpora" and "Commune" are very different... but they are actually not. Both of them are fighting for homogenous socities (one class, one nation, one party, no more division and discrimination)
Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
15th August 2012, 18:05
Communism is no state, no nation, no class and no party. I can't see how they're at all related
RedHammer
15th August 2012, 18:09
No, Fascism is about class collaboration. Communism is a classless, stateless society.
Even if we move past all the ultranationalism, racism, sexism, idealism, and militarism, the economic structures of communism and fascism would be considerably different regarding the question of what is being produced, and who controls production?
Under Fascism, the people are "united" only in the loose sense that the state orchestrates all classes - state, management, and workers. But the workers are still alienated from their labor and remain wage slaves; and production is not geared towards fulfilling human needs, but rather the specified aims of the corporations (or state, which would be in bed with them).
Also, Fascism is a nationalist ideology; people are divided or united by nationality and (to varying extents) race. How can you say it seeks to end "division and discrimination"?
Thirsty Crow
15th August 2012, 18:11
You can pretend that "Corpora" and "Commune" are very different... but they are actually not. Both of them are fighting for homogenous socities (one class, one nation, one party, no more division and discrimination)
You do understand that your approach is severly flawed, in that you compare, superficially at that, some of the ideological aspects of the two without paying attention to their class politics and practice? That would be idealism in fact (wow I get to legitimately use that word around here)
Moreover, I don't know where you get this "Commune" thing from. Anyway, communists don't strive for a homogenous society, but rather for the elimination of all classes, thus making the emancipation of the working class an act of self-abolition of the working class as a class.
On the other hand, no Fascist did advocate the eradiction of classes, but their bonding though the Fascist state which is to ensure class peace by means of extreme forms of nationalism. And I can't see how could you be serious and conclude that Fascists advocated an end to discrimination when it is an openly chauvinist, nationalist, and racist ideology.
Comrades Unite!
15th August 2012, 18:15
Thanks, I wrote out a long ass message and it got deleted and I was too lazy to type it out again.
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