Getting jobs in a socialist country

[Philosophos]

I would like to see what is your opinion about getting a job in a socialist country.
For example do you think that every person should take a job that he/she likes?
This might cause a problem of "over-population" in some professions that is not needed.

Another way is getting a job because the goverment gave it to you. This is good for the "over-population" but at the same time there might be some problems. For example if I'm good with computers (really good) and I have an extraordinary talent will the goverment give me a possition for making, programming or anything that has to do with computers?

There are some other ways too and each has each own cons and pros. Think about it and answer. I don't want only things that Marx or Lenin or Bakunin or other left guys said. I want some of your personnal opinions too so we can see this thing from many different angles.

Thanks in advance.

[helot]

The only instances in which someone should be compelled in any way to perform specific roles as opposed to ones they want to do is if there's not enough people doing it in the first place then i think the most equitable method would be for the task to be rotated among all with the relevant skill to perform that role and those without that skill to be trained up so they can take part until such a time where that role no longer needs to be performed.

[barbelo]

Well...
At least this is how it worked
(a) Primary education
(b) Technical or academical education; many times needing to pass ideological and meritocratic exams
(c) Work
(d) If you don't accept work, forced labor in a deep part of the country, extracting resources, building infrastructure

Weak points of a central planned economy:
-Without terror and ideological prosecution there is no assurance of workers efficiency.
-The planning is from top to base and the planners usually ignore the market's demands and necessities, which leads to development of black markets and slow adoption of new and optimized technologies.
-Stagnation, unnecessary surplus in certain areas while others can't meet the demand.

Of course this is the classical ML model following cycles of economical plans.
Unfortunately people that argue that workers should owns the means of production; although great in words, since this is the basic premise of the dictatorship of the proletariat envisioned by Marx; ignores that most of the production in the primary sector now days is mechanized (like agriculture for example).
And gradually the secondary sector is becoming fully mechanized/robotized too.
In both cases there is production but no workers or very few workers.

This is why I'm totally against socialism using as reference only the philosophy of 19th thinkers, like politics was some kind of religion with deities and sacred books.

[Lowtech]

I would like to see what is your opinion about getting a job in a socialist country.

this is a wonderful question, thank you for asking it!

the concept of a job in communism isn't the same as it is in our current economy. there may be required positions, required skill sets among all individuals, however there is no reason all your time should be devoted to any one skill set. also, people will have a much different outlook on what kinds of work are of merit.

a communist person would see great merit in the medical field, permaculture, carpentry, etc.

also artificial scarcity is eliminated, therefore one's labor value is better utilized, meaning that the same level of productivity now can be matched with less work hours.

[Lowtech]

Well...
Weak points of a central planned economy:
-Without terror and ideological prosecution there is no assurance of workers efficiency.wrong, people do not require money or prosecution to understand the merit of their deeds

-The planning is from top to base and the planners usually ignore the market's demands and necessities, which leads to development of black markets and slow adoption of new and optimized technologies. wrong again, without a market based economy, 90% of crime loses it's exchange value, essentially most crime simply doesn't happen if it is no longer economically viable. also, any advancement at all, individual, technological etc, again is not dependent on money/incentive/etc as people don't require money to understand the merit of their deeds

-Stagnation, unnecessary surplus in certain areas while others can't meet the demand.
market dynamics don't apply to a market-less economy.
ignores that most of the production in the primary sector now days is mechanizedmachines are simply a better "worker"; a worker you don't have to pay; a slave. this doesn't mitigate capitalism at all, as the commodities they produce are still sold above production cost, exploiting the consumer.

retention of value to support a plutocratic class is hardly a "system" of economics anyone should champion.

[The_Anarchist_Tension]

fuck work. you do whatever the fuck you want. oh but the toilets! you cry. fuck the toilets. if you want a clean toilet, build a fucking toilet cleaning machine. humans should not have to do jobs like that unless the want to. let machines do it.

[feather canyons]

In a socialist country we should not be tied to any role or identity. We would be free to, to quote Marx:


hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

(d) If you don't accept work, forced labor in a deep part of the country, extracting resources, building infrastructure



What? If someone doesn't work (which would be outright neurotic, considering the leisure you'd get due to elimination of market competition in a communist society), then they won't be able to eat. You don't have to chuck them in a gulag and point a gun to their head.

[Conscript]

fuck work. you do whatever the fuck you want. oh but the toilets! you cry. fuck the toilets. if you want a clean toilet, build a fucking toilet cleaning machine. humans should not have to do jobs like that unless the want to. let machines do it.

yea let's just pull some perpetual motion out of or ass and let machines do everything.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Unfortunately people that argue that workers should owns the means of production; although great in words, since this is the basic premise of the dictatorship of the proletariat envisioned by Marx; ignores that most of the production in the primary sector now days is mechanized (like agriculture for example).
And gradually the secondary sector is becoming fully mechanized/robotized too.
In both cases there is production but no workers or very few workers.

No workers? Then who builds, repairs and maintains the machines? Automation has been increasing, but we're nowhere near any kind of economy that does not require significant intellectual and physical input from human workers.

In any case, what is important from a Marxist perspective is not whether humans are doing the actual work, but which humans have control over the means of production.

[Veovis]

The way I see it, shit jobs will be done simply because they need to be done - maybe incentives can be used. This will continue until someone comes up with a way to automate or eliminate that job.

In socialism, being made redundant will be a good thing.

[NGNM85]

The way I see it, shit jobs will be done simply because they need to be done - maybe incentives can be used. This will continue until someone comes up with a way to automate or eliminate that job.

In socialism, being made redundant will be a good thing.

I agree. Technology can replace, or augment a great deal of labor. Any remaining jobs that absolutely require a human being, that are regarded as universally, or nearly universally, unpleasant, can be made less so by various means, like balanced job complexes, etc.

[Prometeo liberado]

I think the only answer here resides in you. As you are a member of the working class it will be you and your class that will decide it's own fate. Accept nothing less.