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Zostrianos
15th August 2012, 02:40
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/330794

Saudi Arabia, run by the world's most repressive religious fundamentalist monarchs, has announced plans to construct a city exclusively for women. The city, which will be built in the Eastern Province city of Hofuf, is being billed as a way for women to achieve a greater degree of financial independence while obeying the strict gender segregation dictated by the kingdom's Wahhabi Muslim rulers and enforced by the dreaded mutaween morality police. RT reports that construction on the new city, backed by $133 million in investment, is scheduled to begin in 2013. The city will create around 5,000 industrial jobs in textiles, pharmaceuticals, and food processing. "I'm sure women can demonstrate their efficiency in many aspects and clarify the industries that best suit their interests, their nature and their ability," Saleh al-Rasheed, deputy director of the Saudi Industrial Property Authority (Modon) told al-Eqtisadiah. In Saudi Arabia, women are subject to a strictly enforced gender apartheid. They aren't allowed to vote or drive. They cannot be treated in hospitals or travel without written permission from their husbands or male relatives. One woman who was kidnapped and raped by seven men was sentenced to 90 lashes of the whip for being in a vehicle with an unrelated male. When she went to the media with her story, her sentence was increased to 200 lashes. In 2002, 15 girls needlessly died when the mutaween locked them inside their burning school and stopped firefighters from saving them because they weren't 'properly' dressed in black robes and headscarves. Progress, when it does come, is extremely slow and measured. Last year, King Abdullah announced that women will be permitted to vote and run in the 2015 elections. Since earlier this year, Saudi women have been allowed to work in cosmetics and lingerie shops, ending the embarrassing practice of having to buy underwear from men. And Saudi women have just recently been granted the right to compete in the London Olympics, where Sarah Attar, clad in head-to-toe clothing, finished last in the 800 meter run. Despite the strict restraints placed on women by Shari'a law, females still comprise an estimated 15 percent of Saudi Arabia's workforce.

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Yuppie Grinder
15th August 2012, 03:14
fuck islam

Zealot
15th August 2012, 03:22
So now they want segregation in entire cities? The hell is this shit. Can't say I'm surprised though since they have segregation pretty much everywhere else. However, I'm confused about how the city is going to function efficiently considering that women can't do anything without permission from men. It seems ironic that such a wealthy country is still following laws written during the bronze age.

Zostrianos
15th August 2012, 03:27
fuck islam

Admittedly, women in pre-Islamic Arabia, though inferior in status to men, still had more rights than they do today under Islam:

Moreover in the settled communities of the south Arabians, Nabataeans and Palmyrenes we find women active in a number of different spheres. They commission inscriptions, make offerings to the gods in their own right,7 act as administrative officers (Nami 14, Ja 487), take on a husband’s overlordship upon his decease (CIS 4.95) and construct public buildings and tombs. The last activity points to the enjoyment of a considerable degree of financial independence, and it is also one which gave women a very visible presence in their community, for their faces stare out from many a statue and funerary relief (Pl. 18). There are two particularly prominent roles that we find occupied by women pretty much throughout Arabia. The first is that of religious functionary, her authority then deriving from her ability to commune with the other world (see chapter 6 below), which in turn empowered her to transcend petty rivalries and focus the energies of a large social grouping. The confederation of Qedar, for example, was at a loss without its divine images and their female guardian... (R. Hoyland, Arabia and the Arabs from the Bronze Age to the coming of Islam)

cynicles
17th August 2012, 20:50
Oh please, not all muslims are like this, don't attach all muslims to this Wahhabhist shit.

Oswy
17th August 2012, 21:10
Oh please, not all muslims are like this, don't attach all muslims to this Wahhabhist shit.

I don't disagree but this is what comes of religion as a public and political power, rather than private and personal matter (and Christianity has a long history of misogyny we must not forget).

Fuck all religion that seeks to control people in this way!

Yuppie Grinder
17th August 2012, 21:45
Oh please, not all muslims are like this, don't attach all muslims to this Wahhabhist shit.

I know that. Still, fuck Islam. Institutionalized religion is a tool of class warfare.

Devrim
17th August 2012, 21:54
Admittedly, women in pre-Islamic Arabia, though inferior in status to men, still had more rights than they do today under Islam:

I think this is very wrong.

Devrim

Zostrianos
17th August 2012, 22:01
I think this is very wrong.

Devrim

Well it appears it was the case

Devrim
17th August 2012, 22:08
Well it appears it was the case

No it doesn't. In fact the general view is exactly the opposite. Wiki for example says:


William Montgomery Watt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Montgomery_Watt) states that Muhammad, in the historical context of his time, can be seen as a figure who promoted women’s rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%E2%80%99s_rights) and improved things considerably. Watt explains: "At the time Islam began, the conditions of women were terrible - they had no right to own property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property), were supposed to be the property of the man, and if the man died everything went to his sons." Muhammad, however, by, "instituting rights of property ownership, inheritance, education and divorce, gave women certain basic safeguards."[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam#cite_note-21)


Devrim

Zostrianos
17th August 2012, 22:11
Like I said, I was making a comparison to today. I never researched the social conditions immediately after the imposition of Islam so I can't comment on that, but women today under Wahhabism are faring very poorly indeed compared to Antiquity.

ВАЛТЕР
17th August 2012, 22:36
So, uh we can expect NATO bombs of liberation and democracy to help stop this rogue state's human rights abuse anytime now right?...right?


This is the same state that has people beheaded for adultery, sodomy, and fucking Sorcery (whatever the fuck that means to them)! It's like their mentally stuck in the 14th century.

So yes I agree with Amadeo Brodiga, fuck Islam, fuck the Kuran, fuck the Imams and fuck their stupid rock that they all worship in Mecca. The same goes for Christianity and Judaism and every single institutionalized religion there is. (minus the rock thing. that's specifically for Islam.)

The world would be a better place without it. When we turn the synagogues, mosques, churches and temples into schools, museums, hell even a veterinary clinic would be better than a place where religious leaders peddle their politics from their holy soapbox.

Zostrianos
17th August 2012, 23:59
So, uh we can expect NATO bombs of liberation and democracy to help stop this rogue state's human rights abuse anytime now right?...right?

America only stands up for human rights if it doesn't conflict with its interests. Countries can do whatever they want in America's eyes, as long as they supply it with oil, etc....

ВАЛТЕР
18th August 2012, 00:05
America only stands up for human rights if it doesn't conflict with its interests. Countries can do whatever they want in America's eyes, as long as they supply it with oil, etc....

yeah, I was being sarcastic. Everybody knows you have to really deserve it to get precision guided "democracy" dropped on your head.

cynicles
18th August 2012, 20:35
So, uh we can expect NATO bombs of liberation and democracy to help stop this rogue state's human rights abuse anytime now right?...right?


This is the same state that has people beheaded for adultery, sodomy, and fucking Sorcery (whatever the fuck that means to them)! It's like their mentally stuck in the 14th century.

So yes I agree with Amadeo Brodiga, fuck Islam, fuck the Kuran, fuck the Imams and fuck their stupid rock that they all worship in Mecca. The same goes for Christianity and Judaism and every single institutionalized religion there is. (minus the rock thing. that's specifically for Islam.)

The world would be a better place without it. When we turn the synagogues, mosques, churches and temples into schools, museums, hell even a veterinary clinic would be better than a place where religious leaders peddle their politics from their holy soapbox.
Doubtful, they'd just replace Yahweh with the state.