racist gang murder migrant in athens

[Sasha]

Iraqi migrant assassinated in central Athens in the early hours of Sunday August 12

At approximately 04.30 am on Sunday August 12, an unidentified Iraqi male was found stabbed in the streets of Athens (on Anaxagora Street). According to eye-witnesses, the perpetrators of the attack where five males riding four motorbikes who, just earlier on, in the same area, had tried to attack another two migrant males (citizens of Romania and Morocco) and who managed to escape. This is an apparent racist, lethal attack.


More info as it comes.






http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/08/12/iraqi-migrant-assassinated-in-central-athens-in-the-early-hours-of-sunday-august-12/

[MaximMK]

Death sentence for them.

[lookup]

Agreed

[RedskinUltra4]

Unfortunately we're going to see more these tragic events in Greece, and possibly elsewhere.

The Golden Dawn's entrance into parliament and the widespread support they have among the police will only encourage these brutal attacks by fascist thugs. The so-called Left (i.e. SYRIZA) is offering only muted protests and certainly won't do anything to prevent it.

I don't mean to sound melodramatic but we could well be witnessing the beginning of a slide to dictatorship and full-scale repression in Greece. We've seen this pattern before: economic crisis and brutal austerity measures lead the ruling elite to use immigrants and ethnic minorities as scapegoats. This is only a prelude to open attacks against striking workers, protesters, and dissidents.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

This is absolutely disgusting. These people hate out of such blind intolerance. Another clear example of just how much damage ignorance can do.

Do they know if it was an organisation's doing or just random supremacists?


Death sentence for them.

No.

[ВАЛТЕР]

The left is too often on the defensive. The fascists kill people like it's nobodies business, and we sit on our hands and do nothing other than vandalize some property or have a solidarity march or whatever. At the worst there will be a few fist fights.

To quote my old boxing coach: "Defense doesn't win fights, it just keeps you in them."


Make examples. I would like to see their family cry over their fascist sons and daughters graves. Fuck them and everything they love and care for.

[Philosophos]

Look guys I'm not saying that what they do must be tolerated but try to see things from the eyes of somebody that lives in Athens.

There are so many ilegal immigrants in Athens that can't find any jobs so they steal and they kill. That's why Golden Dawn the neo nazi party has so many voters right now.

Again I'm not saying this should be tolerated but just think of all the brain washing that the TV does to everyone. When there is a Greek robber they will say that there was a robber in a bank. If the robber is for example from Pakistan they will say that he was vicious and he threatened everyone in the bank.

That's what the goverments want they want us distracted from all the killings that the immigrants commite because they can't find any jobs in our country. A friend of mine was
in millitary at the borders of Greece and Turkey. At the same night that he was watching the place he saw 200 immigrants walking the borders like nothing was happening, like it was normal. He tried to threaten them to stop with his weapon but his general forced him to put his gun down and he told him that he has orders to let them pass....

The goverment wants chaos in Greece and they have it. What I want to say is that these people that are doing the killings might be from Golden Dawn but they might be civillians that can't stand anymore this unsafe situation in their own neighborhoods. They might also be from New Democracy or PASOK so they can keep the things hit up.

All I'm saying is that we should not blindly charge people to death sentences and we should look the facts and what these people who rule us want to do with us. They want us confused and filled with hatred with each other and we do it.. Just like good sheep we are....

[Comrades Unite!]

I agree, We should be on the offensive consistently.
Now of course I don't mean round up and shoot every fascist we come across as I suggested beforehand to a negative reception, I think we should crack down on them however, they're is so many murderers in the news that are race influenced and not enough murderers against Fascists.

If you know where a Fascist,A White Nationalist or a White supremacist lives then make their lives hell as I strive to do.

We must build a relationship between building class consciousness to our fellow Laborers and using force against the far right.


Anyway on to the news story, Its fucking horrible that a mans family will have to live with this because of the complete fucking idiocy of others, I would love to load up on ammo and go to Golden Dawns office or whatever the fuck they have and make them suffer and watch them bleed like stuck pigs, Find out who's a member and kick their little blackarses.

Now that will never happen... unless the class struggle intensifies and don't guide Golden Dawn to power(It might sound unlikely, but it is what happened with France,Ireland and most countries just replace Fascist with Capitalist.)

[Thirsty Crow]

Death sentence for them.
Yes, the state currently performing large scale immigrant deention and deportations, with significant numbers of pigs harbouring fascist sympathies, will do something like that.
And of course, we should be advocating the strenghtening of the powers of the repressive apparatus of the state.

On the other hand, what we shouldn't mention is the necessity for community defense organizing, linking workers born in Greece and immigrants, be they "legal" or not, under a common goal of workers' empowerment.

[cynicles]

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/08/13/office-of-neo-nazi-golden-dawn-in-pagrati-central-athens-set-alight-with-petrol/

[Comrades Unite!]

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/08/13/office-of-neo-nazi-golden-dawn-in-pagrati-central-athens-set-alight-with-petrol/

That literally made my day, If only Nikolaos Michaloliakos was set alight in it.
The Communists in Greece must defend the people threatened by the cowardly Golden Dawn and must go on the offensive against Golden Dawn as should the laborers of Greece.

[Sasha]

http://blog.occupiedlondon.org/2012/08/13/office-of-neo-nazi-golden-dawn-in-pagrati-central-athens-set-alight-with-petrol/


came to post that, nice to see someone beat me too it... :)

[RedHammer]

This is sad. Iraq and Greece have very good relations and generally the Greeks view Iraq in a positive manner.

It's sad that a man, who did nothing wrong, has to lose his life and his family has to suffer because some people can't tolerate the fact that he was born somewhere else.

If the shit hits the fan in Greece, the Left needs to be ruthless and without mercy in dealing with these cowards.

[Comrades Unite!]

This is sad. Iraq and Greece have very good relations and generally the Greeks view Iraq in a positive manner.

It's sad that a man, who did nothing wrong, has to lose his life and his family has to suffer because some people can't tolerate the fact that he was born somewhere else.

If the shit hits the fan in Greece, the Left needs to be ruthless and without mercy in dealing with these cowards.

Yes, I am with you completely.

I hope the people who did this are skinned after being starved.That will be just.

I am no proponent of the death penalty but I do think racially motivated kills and people such as Ted Bundy deserve(d) to fry.

RED POWER!

[RedHammer]

Hear, hear, comrade. I'm not an idealist. We do what we need to. If the fascist cowards in Greece want to go around murdering people, they must be crushed and be made examples of.

[Comrades Unite!]

Agreed, We DO have the ability to put our boot in the Fascists face(Not in the literal sense,I mean stomp out Fascist movements)

I'm a firm believer in protecting the meek from Fascist tyranny,Five fascists on one man is not just. :hammersickle:

[MaximMK]

They should be assassinated.

[Positivist]

I honestly don't understand the opposition to the death penalty amongst socialists.

[RedHammer]

I honestly don't understand the opposition to the death penalty amongst socialists.

I think it comes with opposing the bourgeois state. In a workers' state, though, I personally have no problem with it.

Is there a big Antifa scene in Greece? The "Golden Dawn" cowards, and they are cowards, want to bring back the "good ol' days" of Ionnas Metaxas. They need to be stopped.

Greece is quickly becoming a major battleground between the right and the left.

[Positivist]

I think it comes with opposing the bourgeois state. In a workers' state, though, I personally have no problem with it.

This is pretty much my position.

[#FF0000]

I honestly don't understand the opposition to the death penalty amongst socialists.

"We are against the state but yeah we're all for it killing people who might have committed a crime especially when they kill poor and marginalized people disproportionately."

Plus a myriad other reasons why it's a dumb idea to execute prisoners (or have "prisoners" at all).

But yeah no problem w/ people defending themselves from fascists, though.

[Zostrianos]

I honestly don't understand the opposition to the death penalty amongst socialists.

Because the death penalty doesn't work. Countries where there's no death penalty and where jail sentences are lighter actually tend to have less crime. Just compare northern European countries (where sentences are light), with good old Amurica (where you can do hard time for nothing) - the former have virtually no crime, while the latter is what it is...
The death penalty and hard time as deterrents to crime are conservative fantasies with no basis in reality.

That being said, I hope these fascists get the same done to them as they did to their victims

[Ravachol]

The central problem here is not "how do we stop the fascists" but the fact that the rise and strength of fascism betray a weakness of the revolutionary milieu. The worst that could happen now in Greece is the absorption of all revolutionary energy in dead-end popular frontism and 'anti-fascism' waving the tattered banners of bourgeois liberal democracy against the spectre of fascism. Something that has historically always ended in tears (Spain '39 to name an example).

The only anti-fascism worth it's salt is the revolution, which through it's expansion robs the counter-revolution of it's material basis.



Fundamentally, communisation saps counter-revolutionary forces by removing their support. Communisers' propulsive force will not come from shooting capitalists, but by depriving them of their function and power. Communisers will not target enemies, but undermine and change social relations. The development of moneyless and profitless relations will ripple through the whole of society, and act as power enhancers that widen the fault lines between the State and growing sections of the population. Our success will ultimately depend on the ability of our human community to be socially expansive. Such is the bottom line.

Social relations, however, are incarnated in buildings, in objects, and in beings of flesh and blood, and historical change is neither instantaneous nor automatic. Some obstacles will have to be swept away: not just exposed, but done away with. We will need more than civil disobedience: passive resistance is not enough. People have to take a stand, some will take sides against communisation, and a revolutionary trial of strength does not just battle with words. States (dictatorial or democratic) are enormous concentrations of armed power. When this armed power is unleashed against us, the greater the insurgents' fighting spirit, the more the balance of forces will shift away from State power, and the less bloodshed there will be.

An insurrectionary process does not just consist in occupying buildings, erecting barricades and firing guns one day, only to forget all about them the next. It implies more than mere spontaneity and ad hoc ephemeral getting together. Unless there is some continuity, our movement will skyrocket today and fizzle out tomorrow. A number of insurgents will have to remain organized and available as armed groupings. (Besides, nobody has talents or desires for everything.) But if these groupings functioned as bodies specialized in armed struggle, they would develop a monopoly of socially legitimate violence, soon we would have a "proletarian" police force, together with a "proletarian government", a "people's army", etc. Revolution would be short-lived.


The question of whether or not to deploy armed action and how much against the fascists is secondary (though by no means irrelevant!) to the question of revolution which strikes at the very root.

[RedHammer]

Because the death penalty doesn't work. Countries where there's no death penalty and where jail sentences are lighter actually tend to have less crime. Just compare northern European countries (where sentences are light), with good old Amurica (where you can do hard time for nothing) - the former have virtually no crime, while the latter is what it is...
The death penalty and hard time as deterrents to crime are conservative fantasies with no basis in reality.


Not to change the subject, but that comparison is entirely baseless. I suspect, and reasonably so, that demographics and material conditions have much more to do with the disparity in crime rate between Northern Europe and the United States of America, than the use of the death penalty.

[Zostrianos]

It’s known that poverty is the main source of crime in most societies, but I was pointing out that ultimately the death penalty is useless (and can actually have adverse effects), and rehabilitation (besides betterment of social conditions for everyone) is the solution. Perhaps the correlation can be better explained as: there’s crime and negative conditions in society, and the capitalist response is to build more jails, impose the death penalty, and overall increase punitive measures, which in the end makes things a lot worse.
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[RedHammer]

It’s known that poverty is the main of crime I most societies, but I was pointing out that ultimately the death penalty is useless (and can actually have adverse effects), and rehabilitation (besides betterment of social conditions for everyone) is the solution. Perhaps the correlation can be better explained as: there’s crime and negative conditions in society, and the capitalist response is to build more jails, impose the death penalty, and overall increase punitive measures, which in the end makes things a lot worse.
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I don't think the death penalty is any worse than any other punitive measure. It certainly has a role to play in society, I think.

[Per Levy]

I don't think the death penalty is any worse than any other punitive measure. It certainly has a role to play in society, I think.

and that out of the mouth of a "revolutionary leftist". you know the difference between death penalty and say any other punitive measure is like, the person who gets executed is kinda dead and wont come back, thats quite a bit different then say, spend some time in prison(wich i dont want to see in a socialist world either).

the only role the death penalty has to play in society is a dieing role.

[RedHammer]

and that out of the mouth of a "revolutionary leftist". you know the difference between death penalty and say any other punitive measure is like, the person who gets executed is kinda dead and wont come back, thats quite a bit different then say, spend some time in prison(wich i dont want to see in a socialist world either).

the only role the death penalty has to play in society is a dieing role.

That really depends. Some people really are beyond rehabilitation; and not to mention, neo-nazis, fascists, and counter-revolutionaries.

As for common criminals, I imagine crime will be drastically reduced as we transition away from a system of exploitation and class divide.