Are we the left wing stormfront??

[Capitalist Octopus]

Basically, do you think we're the equivalent of Stormfront but for the left? In the sense of, people's reactions to the site being almost the same (those who aren't sympathetic). Do people react in as much horror?

I hope this question comes across clear.

[RedHammer]

I don't think so.

Americans may react with equal horror to Marxism and communism as they do to the far-right, but generally speaking, the world does not share the American phobia to the same degree. The perceptions of Marxism in Europe, for example, are not nearly as misguided. Some tendencies here, like Marxism-Leninism, may not be super popular anymore, but Marxist thought does live on and is not seen as "fringe".

And it's definitely not on the same level. Fascism and Nazism explicitly call for ethnic cleansing, imperialism, and xenophobia. Communism does not.

I'm sure many people, especially Americans, equate the two (Fascism and Communism), but they do so erroneously. At any rate, I certainly hope we aren't viewed the same as Scumfront.

[piet11111]

I know that a lot of censorship programs block revleft for hate speech.
You know those programs parents/public institutions like schools and library's use to block certain websites.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Well, yes, we are, functionally speaking. We're the gateway forum to the internet left, just as stormfront is the go-to place when you're a budding fascist.
But nobody is going to recoil in horror if you mention revleft. Actually, I never hear revleft mentioned outside of revleft and libcom.

[Positivist]

Not really because in the public mind (atleast the American one) communism=good idea that doesn't work and fascism=evil.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Kind of, in the sense that there's a "party line" with certain topics on this site.

But Stormfront is way worse in two ways: 1) people throw out OUTRAGEOUS claims and everyone just kind of takes them at face value, most of the time...at least on this website people will often demand that you back up your claims with some kind of evidence, and 2) Stormfront takes itself pretty seriously, it seems to me anyway, while Revleft has plenty of self-deprecating humor.

[Comrade Samuel]

Well, yes, we are, functionally speaking. We're the gateway forum to the internet left, just as stormfront is the go-to place when you're a budding fascist.
But nobody is going to recoil in horror if you mention revleft. Actually, I never hear revleft mentioned outside of revleft and libcom.

What puzzles me is what exactly they could possibly occupy their time with on that site? (I've never actualy been to stormftont, just hear it frequently mentioned around here) with Revleft there's alot to read, contemplate, understand, form opinions on ect. Whereas with them the only right of passage seems to be is being a racist scumbag.

What I'm getting at is other than having a circle jerk every time a hate crime is committed do they have any kind of theory, discussions or anything? (making any kind of logical sense or not being irrelevant, I was just wondering if there was a more complex collective view that they all shared or if it really is as simple as "be as racist and ignorant as you can be!")

[roy]

our administration could beat up their administration

[Os Cangaceiros]

I have noticed that Hitler kind of takes up Stalin's role on Stormfront, as an imposing historical figure who some people are all like, "Hitler was awesome!", and others are like, "No, don't praise Hitler, that guy sucked, you'll alienate new recruits to our racist scumbaggery!"

It's kind of like here, with people praising Stalin to the fucking rafters for supposedly dragging Russia out of medieval feudalism and smashing the fascist Reich, and then there are the people who frown on such praise, because Stalin was a depraved madman and everyone knows this and how will you get recruits to communism by praising such a devil?

[#FF0000]

What puzzles me is what exactly they could possibly occupy their time with on that site? (I've never actualy been to stormftont, just hear it frequently mentioned around here) with Revleft there's alot to read, contemplate, understand, form opinions on ect. Whereas with them the only right of passage seems to be is being a racist scumbag.

What I'm getting at is other than having a circle jerk every time a hate crime is committed do they have any kind of theory, discussions or anything? (making any kind of logical sense or not being irrelevant, I was just wondering if there was a more complex collective view that they all shared or if it really is as simple as "be as racist and ignorant as you can be!")

To be totally fair, there is a lot of dumb circle-jerk shit on Revleft too.

[Drosophila]

our administration could beat up their administration

Their administration is a celebrity though.

[Yuppie Grinder]

In that we're creepy and unproductive, yes.
In no other ways though.

[bcbm]

yes but they have a much higher level of debate

[cynicles]

I know that a lot of censorship programs block revleft for hate speech.
You know those programs parents/public institutions like schools and library's use to block certain websites.

Do those filters also block sites like mondoweiss and the electronic intifada, cause it may be just the anti-Zionism.

[JPSartre12]

No.

What we say is grounded in historical reality and economic analysis. What they say is grounded in senseless racism.

[piet11111]

Do those filters also block sites like mondoweiss and the electronic intifada, cause it may be just the anti-Zionism.

I don't know i am just going by reports of some revleft users being unable to go here from school/library where they said the site was blocked for hate speech.

For myself i never had to deal with such software so i can not give you any more information about what specific websites also are being blocked by such software.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What I found most telling the last time I had a look at Stormfront, was that they had a "white dating" section or something like that.

I think that stuff like that is indicative of a much greater degree of social and sexual isolation for the average Stormfront member, as opposed to the average Revleft member, who I would guess as having an easier time finding a partner what with the whole "not being a racist shitbag" thing.

But I suppose if they didn't have somewhere they could fantasise about finding that perfect blonde-haired blue-eyed Aryan girl then they would just collapse in a storm self-pity and in-breeding.

[Quail]

Yeah last time I went on I had a look through their dating threads and stuff. Some of it was pretty tragic and funny.

[Jazzratt]

Yeah last time I went on I had a look through their dating threads and stuff. Some of it was pretty tragic and funny.
Was that when you made this post:

Don't worry, I also found someone disturbingly hot on SF :\
:lol:

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Most people I've met have been opposed to my politics in one way or another but have been able to be civil about it and just get on with it. I think if these same people met people that post on stormfront, however, they would find it very difficult not to constantly be appalled with them.

[#FF0000]

Most people I've met have been opposed to my politics in one way or another but have been able to be civil about it and just get on with it. I think if these same people met people that post on stormfront, however, they would find it very difficult not to constantly be appalled with them.

Yeah we're similar in that we are a forum for the radical left, and they are a forum for the radical right. Anyone who'd say "OH MAN THEY ARE THE SAME THING" based on that would be king of all dummies though for reasons that've been covered here but mainly because we aren't a bunch of angry dads obsessed with conspiracy theories, crying about black people and deciding who is truly white and who just happens to have white skin

[RedHammer]

Yeah we're similar in that we are a forum for the radical left, and they are a forum for the radical right. Anyone who'd say "OH MAN THEY ARE THE SAME THING" based on that would be king of all dummies though.

I agree, but don't use the phrase "radical right", comrade! I hate that the word "radical" has become a dirty word and lost all meaning.

It originally meant "at the root", describing things that were aiming for change at the root of society. Radical should properly be used only to describe the left.

[Igor]

I agree, but don't use the phrase "radical right", comrade! I hate that the word "radical" has become a dirty word and lost all meaning.

It originally meant "at the root", describing things that were aiming for change at the root of society. Radical should properly be used only to describe the left.

Why? You can be right-wing and demand changes to be made to the society "by the root". These tend to be the more marginal sort of right-wingers, but many right-wingers are very much opposed to liberal bougie democracy and are in favour of indeed, radical change to it by its roots.

[RedHammer]

Why? You can be right-wing and demand changes to be made to the society "by the root". These tend to be the more marginal sort of right-wingers, but many right-wingers are very much opposed to liberal bougie democracy and are in favour of indeed, radical change to it by its roots.

While that may be true, it's more of a semantics thing. I don't like that "radical" has become a dirty word. If you want to describe the far-right, the proper term is "reactionary".

[Prometeo liberado]

our administration could beat up their administration
I sincerely doubt that.
Anyways we have Science on our side. They dabble in some form of peculiar insanity.

[Igor]

While that may be true, it's more of a semantics thing. I don't like that "radical" has become a dirty word. If you want to describe the far-right, the proper term is "reactionary".

People who consider the term "radical" dirty usually consider the very idea of total, complete social change by society's roots a bad thing, so we don't really have to make it seem any nicer.

The far-right is reactionary, yeah, but some people in the far right are radical, whereas some really are not. They're different terms, used to describe different situations and ideas.

[Quail]

Was that when you made this post:

:lol:

Ha, I'd forgotten about that!

Usually the far right look about as far from "the master race" as anyone could imagine.

[Silvr]

Maybe its because I live in America, but when I tell people that I'm a communist, I often suspect that their reaction would have been exactly the same if I had just told them I was a Nazi... its quite depressing.

[Comrades Unite!]

^

Something similar occurs with me, Their is somebody from Romania in my class that gets really angry anytime I mention Communism, Said that the father would be brought in to tell what its really like.

I didn't really say anything back,I didn't bother correcting her that Romania was not Communistic at all because I did not want to look like a dick.

Their is also somebody from Ukraine from a family affected by Famine in '32.

[Igor]

^
I didn't really say anything back,I didn't bother correcting her that Romania was not Communistic at all because I did not want to look like a dick.

Won't you actually look more of a dick if she still thinks you actually support the Ceausescu regime?

[RedHammer]

Maybe its because I live in America, but when I tell people that I'm a communist, I often suspect that their reaction would have been exactly the same if I had just told them I was a Nazi... its quite depressing.

Hell, some Americans will go one further: "communism killed more people than Hitler!". It's truly sad.



Something similar occurs with me, Their is somebody from Romania in my class that gets really angry anytime I mention Communism, Said that the father would be brought in to tell what its really like.

Their is also somebody from Ukraine from a family affected by Famine in '32.

It irritates me when these people act like the highest authorities for public opinion of socialism. Since they "lived under it" or know somebody that has, they can say definitively that it was "bad, bad, bad":rolleyes:

Ignoring all the people who preferred it. Next time somebody says something like that, ask them how they like Eastern Europe now, y'know, with all the ethnic cleansing, poverty, disease, sex trafficking, etc

[o well this is ok I guess]

What puzzles me is what exactly they could possibly occupy their time with on that site? (I've never actualy been to stormftont, just hear it frequently mentioned around here) with Revleft there's alot to read, contemplate, understand, form opinions on ect. Whereas with them the only right of passage seems to be is being a racist scumbag.

What I'm getting at is other than having a circle jerk every time a hate crime is committed do they have any kind of theory, discussions or anything? (making any kind of logical sense or not being irrelevant, I was just wondering if there was a more complex collective view that they all shared or if it really is as simple as "be as racist and ignorant as you can be!") I think I remember being on /pol/ and there was a thread on which jews are the worst jews and which jews are the best jews
It was a pretty long thread.
There's no end to absurd topics to discuss when you've got imagination.

[Jazzratt]

^

Something similar occurs with me, Their is somebody from Romania in my class that gets really angry anytime I mention Communism, Said that the father would be brought in to tell what its really like.

I didn't really say anything back,I didn't bother correcting her that Romania was not Communistic at all because I did not want to look like a dick.

Their is also somebody from Ukraine from a family affected by Famine in '32.
People still do that?
When I was a teenager I used to call myself a communist* and made no real secret of it. As a result the girl I fancied at the time (who turned out to have come from the Czech Republic) slapped me in the face and called me "disgusting."

*I still do describe myself as a communist but when I was at school I was a lot less informed about it and mainly said I was because I thought it made me seem more interesting and so that I could shout people down as "bourgeois dogs" in classes.

[Comrades Unite!]

People still do that?
When I was a teenager I used to call myself a communist* and made no real secret of it. As a result the girl I fancied at the time (who turned out to have come from the Czech Republic) slapped me in the face and called me "disgusting."

*I still do describe myself as a communist but when I was at school I was a lot less informed about it and mainly said I was because I thought it made me seem more interesting and so that I could shout people down as "bourgeois dogs" in classes.

Thankfully pain has not been delivered upon the face of me.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Absolutely not, 1/4th of the site is probably nothing but mindless racial abuse, another 4th of it is the weird and presumably inbred dating thing they have, another 4th is sitting around beating off to the alleged triumphs and greatness of some fictional 'white' race from the past and the other 4th is Don Black hitting on 17 yr olds (seems like he'd be the type, hmm?); so no.

[Jazzratt]

Absolutely not, 1/4th of the site is probably nothing but mindless racial abuse, another 4th of it is the weird and presumably inbred dating thing they have, another 4th is sitting around beating off to the alleged triumphs and greatness of some fictional 'white' race from the past and the other 4th is Don Black hitting on 17 yr olds (seems like he'd be the type, hmm?); so no.
On the other hand we both have a forum for opposing viewpoints (This was seriously something someone used to show we were equivalent. Quite bonkers).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

On the other hand we both have a forum for opposing viewpoints (This was seriously something someone used to show we were equivalent. Quite bonkers).

Who said that?

[Jazzratt]

Who said that?
I can't remember. It was during a commie club "debate" on whether or not OI was a necessary forum which, unfortunately, means I can't access the thread any more. It's possible that one of the trolls in OI said it, too but I'm fucked if I'm going to dig through the archives looking for it.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

In the minds of the Right or anyone who's greatly misinformed about communism / socialism et al, probably yeah.
Though debate and discussion here can devolve into mud-slinging, I feel there is generally more intelligence and a desire to learn and question things here than on any thread to be found on scumfront...from what I recall it's just a paranoid fash circle jerk, but they all wind up eating the metaphorical cracker.

[bcbm]

What I found most telling the last time I had a look at Stormfront, was that they had a "white dating" section or something like that.

I think that stuff like that is indicative of a much greater degree of social and sexual isolation for the average Stormfront member, as opposed to the average Revleft member, who I would guess as having an easier time finding a partner what with the whole "not being a racist shitbag" thing.

youve clearly never read the dating threads that have appeared on this board

[black magick hustla]

stomfront has more girls

[#FF0000]

stomfront has more girls

that is extremely discouraging

[RedHammer]

stomfront has more girls

Do they?

Gotta love them Stormfront girls.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/729593.jpg

[Jazzratt]

Do they?

I suppose, all four of 'em from Hicktown. Gotta love them Stormfront girls.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/729593.jpg
Fat women are worth less than other women, lol. Aren't we such an enlightened bunch here on revleft hey, fellas. :rolleyes:

[RedHammer]

Fat women are worth less than other women, lol. Aren't we such an enlightened bunch here on revleft hey, fellas.

I'm just poking fun at Scumfront, mate.

[Comrade Samuel]

stomfront has more girls

They do?

SCREW THIS IM OUT OF HERE! Jk of corse but as #FF0000 said that is very discouraging.

[Jazzratt]

I'm just poking fun at Scumfront, mate.
By saying that the women on there are fat. The implications are somewhat uncomfortable. It's probably not deliberate on your part but it may be worth considering next time.

[Comrades Unite!]

Do they?

Gotta love them Stormfront girls.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/729593.jpg

Coffee was spat at the screen.Damn.

[RedHammer]

By saying that the women on there are fat. The implications are somewhat uncomfortable. It's probably not deliberate on your part but it may be worth considering next time.

You are right. My apologies.

Here's to the day when medical technology will enable everybody to be healthy and strong! :hammersickle:

[Comrades Unite!]

You are right. My apologies.

Here's to the day when medical technology will enable everybody to be healthy and strong! :hammersickle:

:hammersickle::hammersickle::hammersickle:

Still though, I am still getting a laugh from that pic.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

stomfront has more girls

Only because some people keep banning all the cool dudes.


On the other hand we both have a forum for opposing viewpoints (This was seriously something someone used to show we were equivalent. Quite bonkers).

:lol:

[Nox]

Kind of, in the sense that there's a "party line" with certain topics on this site.

But Stormfront is way worse in two ways: 1) people throw out OUTRAGEOUS claims and everyone just kind of takes them at face value, most of the time...at least on this website people will often demand that you back up your claims with some kind of evidence, and 2) Stormfront takes itself pretty seriously, it seems to me anyway, while Revleft has plenty of self-deprecating humor.

Oh God, this is so true... The guys over at Stormfront believe they are at the forefront of the White Nationalist movement rofl

[Nox]

our administration could beat up their administration

Don Black is a total boss

He is the Chuck Norris of White Nationalism

[Luc]

Don Black is a total boss

He is the Chuck Norris of White Nationalism

i thought Chuck Norris was the Chuck Norris of White Nationalism??

[Nox]

i thought Chuck Norris was the Chuck Norris of White Nationalism??

Did Chuck Norris ever attempt to take over Dominica to create a White Nationalist paradise, with just 7 armed men?

Didn't think so. ;)

[TheGodlessUtopian]

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