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right to left
10th August 2012, 19:49
Greetings comrades,

It sounds strange to write that sort of introduction, but my nice, neat little theory about the world and the way things should be has gone through a complete upheavel in the last 10 years...especially the last five years.

Ten years ago, if you talked to me about any political or social issue, you would have figured me as a rightwing clone of the Republican-style conservatives south of the border. And I pretty much was...I subscribed to the FoxNews Channel as soon as it became available in Canada; I listened to Limbaugh every afternoon, and other right wing radio on more distant U.S. stations while driving home from work at night...and I even joined a conservative right wing discussion forum around 2003, shortly after the Iraq Invasion.

Joining a closed right wing forum that was hosted by a popular conservative icon likely started my re-evaluation process, as before - I was listening to the adults talking, but on a right wing forum I got a taste of what really motivates the fans and believers. Mostly, it's a matter of the more subtle dog whistle messages from the leaders being used to make their adherents identify with race, religion or extreme nationalism, and ignore the growing obvious differences in who was gaining wealth and who was losing...the real dividing line in a modern capitalist society.

So, I drifted into liberalism, and was happy there for awhile, but that honeymoon was shortlived as the evidence became more and more clear after the U.S. election of Obama as President, that the liberal option is just a fallback position for the monied interests who run the political and media systems.

Also, over the last 10 years I have read more and more about environment and ecological issues, and started to agree with some who are considered extreme environmental activists - who contend that an economic system based on continuous growth in energy demands and resource extraction, cannot ever be sustainable....and techno-fixes and resource substitutions only delay the day of reckoning when supplies cannot meet demands.

I believe that from what I read on rising resource prices combined with losses through environmental destruction, we have reached a point in time where U.S. and allied global policy makers have decided to pursue a ruthless grab for what's left. So poor nations in the Global South that have arable land and resources coveted by multinationals and U.S. policy makers find themselves subject to regime change, either internally as in the case of Honduras, or through invasion and overthrow of their governments, and the installation of the new, business-friendly dictator.

So, many on the left in the environmental movements, are sadly mistaken in my impression if they still believe that a global cooperative strategy can be developed to reduce carbon and ensure that everyone in the world has adequate food. Those in power have no intentions of sharing! And I believe that they will precipitate a catastrophe that causes a dieoff of much of the world's population, rather than try to save people who cannot benefit their interests.

So my bleak outlook of the near future is that international capitalism and globalization as we know it today does not have to be fought with a revolution. Instead, as economies collapse and those in power extract whatever wealth is left in the lower classes, our decision will be between feudalism or socialism. Socialism in some form, is the only long term hope for the human race, as I see the "Master of the Universe" who run things right now as borderline if not outright psychopaths who would destroy the world rather than make any concessions that would require giving up some wealth and power.

But fighting an obscenely well financed, ruthless enemy with high tech armies at their disposal will be very difficult indeed! I'm not sure how optimistic I can be about our prospects, but regardless of how bleak the outlook, we have no choice other than to try to give our children and our children's children a chance to have something more than a bleak future.

I guess saying all this makes me pretty radical today...especially coming from where I was a few years ago. People who know me personally wonder what the hell happened to me, and all I can do is try to get them to take more than a glancing interest at important issues. I do have to admit though, that after the financial meltdowns and the environmental damage we are suffering this year from our heating climate, that people are not as quick to dismiss ideas that are unconventional and they would not have considered previously....so maybe there's still some hope!

RedHammer
10th August 2012, 20:32
Welcome, comrade!

Most of us, if not all, believe that revolutionary change is needed. Hence "RevLeft":thumbup:

But it's good that you've been asking questions and seeing past the petty jingoist sentiments of the right. A man could be the poorest peasant, but his nationalism is apparently something to cling to. It blinds him from seeing the truth about his material condition. The right likes to say that we are all "united" as a nation, but how are we, when the rich profit from the death of the masses?

Environmentalism is a noble cause. Have fun on the forums!

P.S. How's Marxism treated in Canda? Are there witch-hunts like in the States?

#FF0000
10th August 2012, 20:42
Welcome to Revleft, dogg. Your story's pretty similar to mine.

Except I was literally a child when I considered myself "conservative" -- so it didn't really mean much.

Positivist
10th August 2012, 20:52
Welcome comrade! You have quite an inspiring and interesting story of transformation, it reminds me of my own, though my experience was substantially shorter than your own. Anyway you have some very bright ideas and I am eager to carrying out discussions with you.

Le Rouge
10th August 2012, 20:52
P.S. How's Marxism treated in Canda? Are there witch-hunts like in the States?

Yup, every week end, there's a commie-witch-socialo hunt in every city of the country.

/lol

Comrade Samuel
10th August 2012, 20:57
Welcome to forum comrade! A lot of us have underwent the same changes as well so try not to feel like your standing out too much.

Oh I do like the name by the way! Have fun posting! :thumbup:

cynicles
10th August 2012, 21:03
Hi!

There are some raving mcCarthyite wannabees, but they're mainly from the Liberal party and Conservative party and just going on about some NDP mp or the whole party. Liberals have been especially viscious since the last election. Most rightwingers in Canada have an obsession with the US, they want to do everything it does and emulate it in every possible way. Which is funny when you think about it since they also have heavy nationalist currents. Liberals mostly try and portray themselves as 'middle fo the road' type balancing out the 'extreme leftwing' NDP(lol) and mostly bickering with the Tories.

TheGodlessUtopian
10th August 2012, 21:25
Hey, you are definitely not alone in your transformation...

http://www.revleft.com/vb/glenn-lenin-my-t168141/index.html?p=2369958#post2369958

Have fun here.

Brosa Luxemburg
10th August 2012, 21:48
You have a fitting name for sure!

Hola.

Le Socialiste
10th August 2012, 22:01
Welcome to the forum. We've all had similar experiences (more or less), so don't worry about sticking out. This site can be a great learning site if you get past the tendency wars - which is no easy feat. ;)

If you haven't already, be sure to check out Marxists.org (http://www.marxists.org/index.htm). It's an amazing resource.

right to left
11th August 2012, 06:27
Welcome, comrade!

Most of us, if not all, believe that revolutionary change is needed. Hence "RevLeft":thumbup:
I should clarify my point, since I got into a bit of rant and tried to cover a lot of points all at once and maybe got things muddled up a bit. I believe a revolution is necessary; but in some areas of the world, nations collapsing into failed states will leave a vacuum where people would have to be organized on and work together to prevent the typical situation where a few with guns and resources seize everything of value and enslave the majority.

But it's good that you've been asking questions and seeing past the petty jingoist sentiments of the right. A man could be the poorest peasant, but his nationalism is apparently something to cling to. It blinds him from seeing the truth about his material condition. The right likes to say that we are all "united" as a nation, but how are we, when the rich profit from the death of the masses?
Yes, the appeals to nationalism, racial and/or cultural identity and religion, are the three ingredients that fascists use as the glue to keep their followers supporting them. If the rank and file in a right wing movement start noticing the disparity in wealth, then they're in trouble. And the basic fascist strategy of dividing a population (but making sure that they appeal to the values of the majority and scapegoating the minorities) is part of every right wing strategy no matter how democratic they claim to be. Thomas Franks analysis of what happened in his home state in "What's The Matter With Kansas" illustrates how a Republican Party that has impoverished its citizens, has a lock on all major political offices in the state mostly by taking advantage of the Christian fundamentalist voting block.

Environmentalism is a noble cause. Have fun on the forums!

P.S. How's Marxism treated in Canda? Are there witch-hunts like in the States?
Witch-hunts of communists and communist sympathizers were not done openly...we never had anything similar to the McCarthy Senate Hearings in our past, but recent revelations from old RCMP files indicate that every significant left wing group and their leaders were subjected to varying degrees of surveillance.

It's kind of ironic that I used to want Canada to reflect U.S. values, because we have traditionally been much more liberal and tolerant to unconventional groups here in Canada, but with our oil industry-funded Conservative Government having a lock on power, that may be starting to change!

Also, we're not quite as democratic as we used to be, if we judge from how our political process is making it increasingly difficult for smaller parties to get on the ballot in federal and provincial elections. Twenty or 30 years ago, most ridings could choose between two communist parties, after a group of Marxist-Leninists split from the main Communist Party over a dispute on loyalty to the Soviet Union. And most ridings feature the Libertarians, Christian Heritage Party, and many others. Nowadays even the Green Party is struggling to get on the ballot in a majority of ridings.

So, for the most part, I would say that outside of Quebec, Marxists and Marxist philosophy was mostly ignored in Canada and viewed as some extreme oddball group, rather than being subjected to the Red Menace hysteria that American communists had to frequently deal with.

right to left
11th August 2012, 07:12
Thanks to everyone else for your warm welcomes. My transition in my thinking has come at rather late age compared to most, and most people become set in their ways by a certain age and resist change to all of their core beliefs. I guess that's an indication that I was not a typical conservative to begin with...since most are attracted to the right through emotion, not for logical or rational reasons. When the ideas and arguments from conservatives, and then liberals started to fail in my perspective, I wanted to move on and find out why.

Earlier in my life, I went through a similar process of losing faith in the Christianity I grew up with...searching for the true religion....then becoming resolved that there is no such thing and gods are created by humans....then becoming a militant atheist....then losing faith in atheism as an organizing principle after becoming disillusioned with new popular atheist writers like Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins.

In material affairs, it does indicate that prior to the last 10 years, my worldview had become quite myopic, and I just went with the presumption that things seemed to be going along okay -- let's recall that prior to 9-11 it appeared that warfare was in decline, and globalized capitalism appeared to be working (at least on a superficial level) since they could cite statistics that GDP's were rising in Third World nations, and hunger and malnutrition were in decline. But they can't even fake the good news today! A good analysis of how much the global picture has changed is found in a 36 page pdf report by the Population Institute called From 6 Billion To 7 Billion (can't post the link yet). In 1999, there seemed to be good reasons to be an optimist about the status quo. But again, that was because most of us were just taking a superficial glance, since the icebergs were already present that would indicate that the good times were about to end.

And I should add that part of my discomfort at seeing things starting to spiral down comes from having children and fully realizing that they will inherit a more dangerous, polluted and degraded world than the one that me and my generation enjoyed. So, what I want to see now is the realization that whatever our material aspirations are, they have to be in harmony with what nature is able to provide. And this can only happen in a socialist system where resources are distributed according to need, and not on the reckless pattern of exponential growth in consumption that capitalism demands to keep its system running.

RedHammer
11th August 2012, 15:47
Yes, the appeals to nationalism, racial and/or cultural identity and religion, are the three ingredients that fascists use as the glue to keep their followers supporting them. If the rank and file in a right wing movement start noticing the disparity in wealth, then they're in trouble. And the basic fascist strategy of dividing a population (but making sure that they appeal to the values of the majority and scapegoating the minorities) is part of every right wing strategy no matter how democratic they claim to be. Thomas Franks analysis of what happened in his home state in "What's The Matter With Kansas" illustrates how a Republican Party that has impoverished its citizens, has a lock on all major political offices in the state mostly by taking advantage of the Christian fundamentalist voting block.

It's the saddest thing to see working class people side with those who work against their class interests.


Witch-hunts of communists and communist sympathizers were not done openly...we never had anything similar to the McCarthy Senate Hearings in our past, but recent revelations from old RCMP files indicate that every significant left wing group and their leaders were subjected to varying degrees of surveillance.

So, for the most part, I would say that outside of Quebec, Marxists and Marxist philosophy was mostly ignored in Canada and viewed as some extreme oddball group, rather than being subjected to the Red Menace hysteria that American communists had to frequently deal with.

Darn. Well, at least they're not demonized. What's so special about Quebec, though?

Peoples' War
11th August 2012, 16:06
Welcome comrade.

Mr. Natural
12th August 2012, 18:15
right to left, Welcome! I cried (aided by nearly two cases of Senate Club ale) when Nixon was defeated by Kennedy. Now I cry at all US presidential elections and their ruling class candidates without any liquid aid. Obama versus Romney is a crying shame. So is Harper.

So capitalism has triumphed as a system, but we can most definitely do something about this, although the left must obviously learn some new tricks. That's what Revleft is for, or should be for, isn't it?

My red-green, Judi Bari best!