Free Slobodan Milosevic

[Slobo Is God]

http://www.icdsm.org/

http://www.icdsm-us.org/

[ComradeRobertRiley]

I dont know what the guy actually did for the country.

[Politrickian]

Fuck You.

Slobodan is a fucking facist bastard. The only thing he did for his country is divide it into a nationalist hellhole and kill thousands of innocent people because of their ethnicity.

But I think they should free him. A ticket to Scheveningen isn't to pricy. Neither is a sniper rifle.

[Son of Scargill]

I always thought it was the IMF and US government that ordered the states of Yugoslavia to declare independence and convert to free market corporatism,complete with massive lay-offs and the breakdown of their health and social security systems?Maybe they weren't majorly responsible for stirring up shit in a formerly quite peaceful nation,maybe it was all just Slobbo's fault?

Excerpt from"the Rationanal Destruction of Yugoslavia"

"That U.S. leaders have consciously sought to dismember Yugoslavia is not a matter of speculation but of public record. In November 1990, the Bush administration pressured Congress into passing the 1991 Foreign Operations Appropriations Act, which provided that any part of Yugoslavia failing to declare independence within six months would lose U.S. financial support. The law demanded separate elections in each of the six Yugoslav republics, and mandated U.S. State Department approval of both election procedures and results as a condition for any future aid. Aid would go only to the separate republics, not to the Yugoslav government, and only to those forces whom Washington defined as "democratic," meaning right-wing, free-market, separatist parties.

Another goal of U.S. policy has been media monopoly and ideological control. In 1997, in what remained of Serbian Bosnia, the last radio station critical of NATO policy was forcibly shut down by NATO "peacekeepers." The story in the New York Times took elaborate pains to explain why silencing the only existing dissident Serbian station was necessary for advancing democratic pluralism. The Times used the term "hardline" eleven times to describe Bosnian Serb leaders who opposed the shutdown and who failed to see it as "a step toward bringing about responsible news coverage in Bosnia."2

Likewise, a portion of Yugoslav television remained in the hands of people who refused to view the world as do the U.S. State Department, the White House, and the corporate-owned U.S. news media, and this was not to be tolerated. The NATO bombings destroyed the two government TV channels and dozens of local radio and television stations, so that by the summer of 1999 the only TV one could see in Belgrade, when I visited that city, were the private channels along with CNN, German television, and various U.S. programs. Yugoslavia's sin was not that it had a media monopoly but that the publicly owned portion of its media deviated from the western media monopoly that blankets most of the world, including Yugoslavia itself.

In 1992, another blow was delivered against Belgrade: international sanctions. Led by the United States, a freeze was imposed on all trade to and from Yugoslavia, with disastrous results for the economy: hyperinflation, mass unemployment of up to 70 percent, malnourishment, and the collapse of the health care system.3

Divide and Conquer

One of the great deceptions, notes Joan Phillips, is that "those who are mainly responsible for the bloodshed in Yugoslavia -- not the Serbs, Croats or Muslims, but the Western powers -- are depicted as saviors."4 While pretending to work for harmony, U.S. leaders supported the most divisive, reactionary forces from Croatia to Kosovo.

In Croatia, the West's man-of-the-hour was Franjo Tudjman, who claimed in a book he authored in 1989, that "the establishment of Hitler's new European order can be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews," and that only 900,000 Jews, not six million, were killed in the Holocaust. Tudjman's government adopted the fascist Ustasha checkered flag and anthem.5 Tudjman presided over the forced evacuation of over half a million Serbs from Croatia between 1991 and 1995, replete with rapes and summary executions.6 This included the 200,000 from Krajina in 1995, whose expulsion was facilitated by attacks from NATO war planes and missiles. Needless to say, U.S. leaders did nothing to stop and much to assist these atrocities, while the U.S. media looked the other way. Tudjman and his cronies now reside in obscene wealth while the people of Croatia are suffering the afflictions of the free market paradise. Tight controls have been imposed on Croatian media, and anyone who criticizes President Tudjman's government risks incarceration. Yet the White House hails Croatia as a new democracy.

In Bosnia, U.S. leaders supported the Muslim fundamentalist, Alija Izetbegovic, an active Nazi in his youth, who has called for strict religious control over the media and now wants to establish an Islamic Bosnian republic. Izetbegovic himself does not have the support of most Bosnian Muslims. He was decisively outpolled in his bid for the presidency yet managed to take over that office by cutting a mysterious deal with frontrunner Fikret Abdic.7 Bosnia is now under IMF and NATO regency. It is not permitted to develop its own internal resources, nor allowed to extend credit or self-finance through an independent monetary system. Its state-owned assets, including energy, water, telecommunications, media and transportation, have been sold off to private firms at garage sale prices."


Full articlehttp://www.michaelparenti.org/articles.html

[Politrickian]

Oh yes, I agree, of course such things justify genocide, rape, concentration camps and other atrocities commited under the supervision of slobodan milosevic.

I'm not trying to imply that the Croatians and Muslims were right to do the same, and I agree that every one who was involved in this should be brought to justice(such a shame that tudjman died and that many mourned his death, such a shame...)

He may not be the direct cause of this, but he has no fucking right to let his military murder and rape everyone who wasn't a Serb.

I'm not going to be letting slobo go free because the west hates him. I hope no-one here believes in the idea of "an enemy of my enemy is my friend"

That his imprisonment is unjustfull and that he shouldn't be put to trial in The Hague but in his own country, that's true, but to say that he's innocent, that's something I will refuse to believe.

[Son of Scargill]

I agree with you on many points Politrickian,that he is totally innocent is not my belief either.
Having said that,in the build up to the war in Kosovo,reading the news here in the UK(but you really had to look for it) there were numerous reports of murder,kidnapping(including very young children)rape and extortion by the KLA against Serbs in Kosovo.These instances tie in with the fact that less than a year before the conflict the US State Dept. had the KLA listed as drug-running terrorists.The Serbs,for their part were also involved in vigilante killings and heavy handed round-ups of suspected KLA members.Of course these instances were heavily publicised,no need to trawl thru' the small columns to find that news.
The fact is that no government would be allowed to ignore this provocation by its people,the populace of the US,UK or even Holland wouldn't put up with it.Why do you expect the Serbs to turn the other cheek.When people feel threatened by violence they can lash out in the most inhumane ways.Unfortunately that is a fact proved time and again by history.Leaders are never really in full control of the situation on the ground these days.The US and UK are quick to shout"hey,it's war.You've got to expect collateral damage" when they slaughter a load of innocents.Plus after several years of investigation there has been little evidence found of a mass extermination or rape policy,just piecemeal atrocities by both sides.Not to be-little the horror of these events,but they are hardly on the scale that the western media was,and still is,selling the world.Milosevic WAS directly responsible for the mass expulsion policy after the war started,and can certainly be tried for that.What else he can be considered wholly responsible for is not so easy to ascertain.
If you want to see big scale atrocities go to Bunia in the D.R. of Congo.But then,that's in Africa so it's not big news.
Things are never as black and white as portrayed in the mainstream media.I tend to question everything.
I hope you can understand my point of view on this issue.The Hague is a show trial in my opinion,and justice has very litte to do with it.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

That man's claim of being a Socialist is about as valid as Hitler's. He can claim to be a leftist as much as he wants, but his actions say something different. To the gas chamber I say.

[Saint-Just]

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...Oterrorism.html (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/yugoslavia/NATOterrorism.html)

This is a great website to visit. Its not so much about Milosevic. Also, it does indict the Serbian forces somewhat.

[Jesus Christ]

Slobo, I can't wait for the day until you are restricted.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Slobo, I can't wait for the day until you are restricted.

For not agreeing with your bullshit anarcho-capitalist ideas.fools.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 25 2003, 06:05 PM

Slobo, I can't wait for the day until you are restricted.

For not agreeing with your bullshit anarcho-capitalist ideas.fools.
nah, just because people like you tend to be a bit of an asshole when it comes to everything

[Urban Rubble]

For not agreeing with your bullshit anarcho-capitalist ideas.fools.

God. Will you just shut the fuck up already ? Do you ever have anything valid to add to a discussion besides a sentence or 2 insulting anyone who disagrees with you ?

Your mother needs to teach you some new vocabulary that isn't primarily made up of the words : Imperialist, Trot, Liberal, Anarchist Capitalist and so forth.

It amazes me that you can jump into a discussion between 2 people, not add anything at all and then call them fools. You're a dumb little kid and you need to learn some manners and read up on issues before you blindly take one side.



We just went over this Milosevic thing in OI. Just because the Western nations are holding him responsible does not mean he was innocent. Attrocities were committed in all sides of this conflict and it is unfortunate that all the people responsible will not or did not get their punishment. The fact still remains, Milosevic's crimes have been proven by anyone sensible enough to read the story from all angles (and who can go read something and not dismiss it as propaganda if they don't agree with it).

Milosevic wasn't the sole cause of this whole thing, but he was definately a willing participant who has a fair share of blood on his hands.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

God. Will you just shut the fuck up already ? Do you ever have anything valid to add to a discussion besides a sentence or 2 insulting anyone who disagrees with you ?

Your mother needs to teach you some new vocabulary that isn't primarily made up of the words : Imperialist, Trot, Liberal, Anarchist Capitalist and so forth.

It amazes me that you can jump into a discussion between 2 people, not add anything at all and then call them fools. You're a dumb little kid and you need to learn some manners and read up on issues before you blindly take one side.

Look who is doing most of the insulting.i got pissed because that comment that "jesus christ" made was arrogant.I am not blindly following.I told you to read "To kill a nation".You didn't listen.

[bazonix]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 29 2003, 01:46 AM


God. Will you just shut the fuck up already ? Do you ever have anything valid to add to a discussion besides a sentence or 2 insulting anyone who disagrees with you ?

Your mother needs to teach you some new vocabulary that isn't primarily made up of the words : Imperialist, Trot, Liberal, Anarchist Capitalist and so forth.

It amazes me that you can jump into a discussion between 2 people, not add anything at all and then call them fools. You're a dumb little kid and you need to learn some manners and read up on issues before you blindly take one side.

Look who is doing most of the insulting.i got pissed because that comment that "jesus christ" made was arrogant.I am not blindly following.I told you to read "To kill a nation".You didn't listen.
Not wanting to jump on the band wagon, but...

Your language betrays you...

"I told you...."

Self-righteous, perhaps? Or maybe you were just feeling defensive?

End.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 08:21 AM
Fuck You.

Slobodan is a fucking facist bastard. The only thing he did for his country is divide it into a nationalist hellhole and kill thousands of innocent people because of their ethnicity.

But I think they should free him. A ticket to Scheveningen isn't to pricy. Neither is a sniper rifle.
true but he should be in a maximum security prison not killed, there has been enough killing
justice, not vengence, is what we must look for

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Jesus [email protected] 20 2003, 12:58 AM
Slobo, I can't wait for the day until you are restricted.
great lets celebrate the day that the noose on what used to be freedom of expression on this website way back when tightten as the variety of letists divide and point fingers at each other. FIRST THE STALINISTS (THOUGH I DESPISE THEM) THEN WHO? SLOBO (THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH HIM)? THEN WHO? ANARCHO OR DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS? ME?
OH YOU WAIT TILL THE BLACKLIST HITS YOU!!!!!!!!
Just something to think about. There are always natural consequences to words and actions. Let us all hope it al stops here.