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redstar2000
18th December 2003, 21:36
Here are some excerpts from an article that I found to be very perceptive.
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Alfred Inglis's 1918 book, Principles of Secondary Education...makes it perfectly clear that compulsory schooling on this continent was intended to be just what it had been for Prussia in the 1820s...Divide children by subject, by age-grading, by constant rankings on tests, and by many other more subtle means, and it [would be] unlikely that the ignorant mass of mankind, separated in childhood, would ever re-integrate into a dangerous whole.

Inglis breaks down the purpose--the actual purpose--of modern schooling into six basic functions...

1. The adjustive or adaptive function. Schools are to establish fixed habits of reaction to authority. This, of course, precludes critical judgment completely. It also pretty much destroys the idea that useful or interesting material should be taught, because you can't test for reflexive obedience until you know whether you can make kids learn, and do, foolish and boring things.

2. The integrating function. This might well be called "the conformity function," because its intention is to make children as alike as possible. People who conform are predictable, and this is of great use to those who wish to harness and manipulate a large labor force.

3. The diagnostic or directive function. School is meant to determine each student's proper social role. This is done by logging evidence mathematically and anecdotally on cumulative records. As in "your permanent record." Yes, you do have one.

4. The differentiating function. Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the social machine merits--and not one step further.

5. The selective function. This refers...to Darwin's theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the unfit--with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments--clearly enough that their peers will reject them as inferior and effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6. The propaedeutic function. The societal system implied by these rules will require an elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and corporations might never want for obedient labor...

...There you have it. Now you know. We don't need Karl Marx's conception of a grand warfare between the classes to see that it is in the interest of complex management, economic or political, to dumb people down, to demoralize them, to divide them from one another, and to discard them if they don't conform.

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From: "AGAINST SCHOOL--How public education cripples our kids and why" by John Taylor Gatto, in Harper's Magazine, September 2003, pp.36-37.
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To which I can only add that while you may not "need" Karl Marx, he helps a lot! :D

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peaccenicked
18th December 2003, 22:30
This is a really great post. The stuff that inspires novels.
The mechanisms of the social reproduction of the working class once identified can serve as starting point for a positive education policy aimed at encouraging all children and giving them all rounded support in every area of their development, placing no limits on what they can achieve.
Oppression of the working class is under played as most focus is put on the more overt forms of oppression of women(majority) and minorities.
This is because the liberal agenda does not include class.
Liberals have talked to me about classism which is discrimination towards class has always only meant working class discrimination towards the middle class for them[ I have not heard any other examples] from them.

This post shows the nature of class oppression in the school room.

John Lennon's song Working class hero touches on this theme in general.

As soon as you're born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they're telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero well just follow me

peaccenicked
19th December 2003, 01:41
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19th December 2003, 02:08
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Hoppe
19th December 2003, 12:55
On no, Redstar, I agree with you on this :D

peaccenicked
19th December 2003, 12:56
Old Chinese Proverb:Do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is to say it will not become a dragon.


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peaccenicked
21st December 2003, 06:56
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cormacobear
21st December 2003, 07:18
Yes RedStar I'm quite sure that's what was intended. But in some ways it hasn't worked quite like they hoped after all most of the extreme left wing political action comes from students. While it's more obvious in some countries than others (like the U.S. ) how they use primary schools to brainwash and indoctrinate children, and maintain rule by the wealthy by charging outragious sums for post secondary education things have atleast improved alittle in the last hundred years. Here in Canada for example if I want to take on staggering student debt I can go to University and learn all about Communism from Prof.'s who love it, my imp-overished tenant farmer predecessors couldn't have done that a hundred years ago.

Hey that University communism thing sounds like a great I dea I think I'll try it............. Staggering debt here I come :D

el_profe
21st December 2003, 07:38
:o , i always thought this happened. guess its true. That is why its better having private schools instead of having the gov. decide what we study.
1984?
If they can see patterns of behavior its easier to classify people. WHY do you think education in the USA sucks, (public schools).

IGnorance is strength.


"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both."
- James Madison




This is a great site which shows us what the. Total "Terrorism" Information Awareness program is about and it creates a Goverment Information Awarness program so people can follow people in gov. ;)
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/GIA/TIA.html

peaccenicked
21st December 2003, 08:47
El_profe
Using your logic we should send all the American public school kids to private schools. How about giving all the public school kids a standard private education.
Then America's children could all grow up to be corporate monsters and nobody would work and then the whole system would collapse.
The rest of the world would love that.

Misodoctakleidist
23rd December 2003, 17:58
The idea of sperating children into different classes in school based on "ability" is also a good way to perpetuate the current class structure whilst maintaining the facard of a meritocracy. The upper and middle class children inevitably over-achive due to prejudices in the system whilst the working class under-achieve resulting in the upper and middle class kids having better qualifications to justify their greater share of the wealth.

I think Pierre Bourdieu was right with his cultural capital theory. The education system is based on the dominant values of the ruling class and so kids from upper class families have more 'cultural capital' which they use to progress futher in the education system than their ability merits.

FarfromNear
23rd December 2003, 19:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 09:47 AM
El_profe
Using your logic we should send all the American public school kids to private schools. How about giving all the public school kids a standard private education.
Then America's children could all grow up to be corporate monsters and nobody would work and then the whole system would collapse.
The rest of the world would love that.
El Profe is right, the US public school education sucks. Most of those kids are so ignoradnt on global stuff. They learn what the gov't wants them to learn. I am not even going to say that Private schools are that much better. I think they both suck. Looking at rich girls(MTV), they might be rich, but they are ignorant as crap. They might know more just because they have lived it, as in going to Europe or whatever. But they are still ignorant. Going to College you could see how much better prepared were the foreign kids. The American kids dont know anything that doesnt relate to the town where they live in.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
24th December 2003, 02:31
I think we ought to take education more seriously. Meaning 12 hours per day, 6 days per week, no summer break, uniforms, (just like Japan) and dropping out is illegal till age 18. Kids have no businuss taking jobs after school, or quitting school for one. Child labor is rampant (even though its illegal). So not only will these be something to raise the overall intellectual integrety of society, and keep them out of trouble.

synthesis
24th December 2003, 03:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 03:31 AM
I think we ought to take education more seriously. Meaning 12 hours per day, 6 days per week, no summer break, uniforms, (just like Japan) and dropping out is illegal till age 18. Kids have no businuss taking jobs after school, or quitting school for one. Child labor is rampant (even though its illegal). So not only will these be something to raise the overall intellectual integrety of society, and keep them out of trouble.
All this extra time expenditure won't mean shit if the quality of the education isn't improved. I'd rather see children get 6 hours of truly solid education than 12 hours of the level it's at now.

redstar2000
24th December 2003, 12:03
I think we ought to take education more seriously. Meaning 12 hours per day, 6 days per week, no summer break, uniforms, (just like Japan) and dropping out is illegal till age 18.

Gosh, that sounds "really great". :o

Why don't we bring back public flogging while we're at it? :o

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MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
24th December 2003, 12:12
Whats wrong with a more rigorous approach to education?

redstar2000
25th December 2003, 02:10
Whats wrong with a more rigorous approach to education?

Education in a Communist Society (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/monthlytheoryarchives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1052634513&archive=1054467213&cnshow=archive&start_from=&ucat=&)

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Kwisatz Haderach
25th December 2003, 02:49
i always thought this happened. guess its true. That is why its better having private schools instead of having the gov. decide what we study.
What makes private schools any better? They indoctrinate you just like the public ones do, except that they make you pay for it as well.

In fact, a private system of education is the perfect tool of capitalist oppression: only the rich get a good education.