Poll for U.S. Citizens: What are you doing with your vote?

[Skyhilist]

So what are you guys planning to do with your vote this November? I've heard arguments for many different options, most of which have been pretty solid. I'm currently still in high school and can't vote yet but would be interested in hearing what you guys think, so feel free to post any arguments for what the best voting decision is here.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Boycott. That's the logical action, and the action I have always taken. Be it when i lived in the US, or here in Serbia.

To quote a communist sticker that was posted all over the city here prior to elections. "The working class does not vote for the bourgeoisie!"

(It rhymes in my language lol)

"Radnicka klasa za burzuje ne glasa!"

[RedHammer]

I'd only vote for a candidate if I felt he was more incompetent and would bring down capitalism faster.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

I'd only vote for a candidate if I felt he was more incompetent and would bring down capitalism faster.

There is a guy called Ron Paul...

[ВАЛТЕР]

Here there was a massive amount of "ineligible" votes. where people took their voting sheet, and crossed out every name or wrote in names of random celebrities or cartoon characters as their choice. Often times writing insulting things to the state. It was pretty funny.

[Per Levy]

inb4 dnz starts about spoilage campaings again.

well its up to any worker, i wouldnt vote though, nor spoil, i dont feel like legetimizing bougeois "democracy".

[Comrade Samuel]

I will not be voting and it's not because I'm not allowed to either. Both candidates are terrible and a 3rd party vote is exactly the same as not voting. (and I don't know of any good 3rd parties anyways)

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm voting for myself.


I'd only vote for a candidate if I felt he was more incompetent and would bring down capitalism faster.

Hardass.

[Caj]

I voted "not voting" because, although I'm not old enough to vote, I wouldn't even if I was.

[cynicles]

Ugh, I'm glad we don't have to do that again this year. Campaigns are so tiresome. Although the American elections can be quite entertaining, I'm crossing my fingers for more crazy this election cycle. See if you guys can out do the last election!

[Ostrinski]

sleeping in

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

9.09% of RevLeft users need to be purged (and no, it is not the Undecided or Spoilers)...

[Crux]

I'd only vote for a candidate if I felt he was more incompetent and would bring down capitalism faster.
People keep saying stuff like this but I don't think that electoral tactic has any record of success.

[Welshy]

its being sent to me anyways because I'm out of state. So I will just be spoiling.

[Ostrinski]

take a poop on it roll it up and send it back

if that doesn't constitute spoiling, well..

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

take a poop on it roll it up and send it back

if that doesn't constitute spoiling, well..

http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/panic-girl13/gifs/judgingyou.gif

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I'd only vote for a candidate if I felt he was more incompetent and would bring down capitalism faster.


Really? I'd have thought that such weird reverse psychology would end up having the opposite effect: creating a denser lot of ignorant and reactionary citizens. It'd be preferrable to advocate examples of how socialism would be useful to the masses, rather than simply voting right and forcing the system into rapid decay.

I don't mean to sound insulting, but there's another alternative to socialism that the people could pick if you go down this road of ultraconservative public self-hate campaigns. It's called fascism, and it's certainly not a good idea to start wishing for that to envelop onto someone's conscious.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I put "voting for another legitimate candidate" even though I don't know of any candidate that would legitimately beat either Obama or Romney. I'll be voting for the Socialist Party or the Party for Socialism and Liberation or any other socialist party which actually balloted. I have the right to vote, I might as well be voting for a party that somewhat represents my views as a kind of dissenting vote.

Or I'll totally forget about it like I did when we were supposed to vote on some shit on June 29. Although those elections are a little harder to forget about considering everybody keeps fucking asking me who I'm voting for :cursing:

*EDIT* What must be stressed though is the need for the workers to form their own independent organizations from the bourgeois parties, anybody campaigning for Obama is therefore traitorous scum. Just joking...kind of.

[Le Socialiste]

I checked "not voting", but I may still end up spoiling my vote for the hell of it. We'll see.

Who's the idiot voting for Obama?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Obama 2012 baby!

[RedHammer]

Really? I'd have thought that such weird reverse psychology would end up having the opposite effect: creating a denser lot of ignorant and reactionary citizens. It'd be preferrable to advocate examples of how socialism would be useful to the masses, rather than simply voting right and forcing the system into rapid decay. I'm not suggesting that the mere collapse of capitalism will determinstically lead to socialism. I'm just saying that a "collapse" of capitalism will create the material conditions necessary for a radicalization of the population. We must, of course, continue to advocate and educate throughout all of this.



Obama 2012 baby!

Really, bro? C'mon.....:rolleyes:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I wonder if the FRSO (Fight Back) is going to endorse ol' Barry like they did last go around...

[NewLeft]

vermin supreme

[eyeheartlenin]

As much as I would love to be able to vote against the incumbent, where I am in November is likely to be a state where only the two big bourgeois parties are on the ballot, so if there are paper ballots, I will spoil mine. If there are voting machines, I will not participate in the election, a choice I have suggested to others by supporting the "Vote for Nobody" initiative (Nobody cares; nobody has the answers; vote for nobody.)

[eyeheartlenin]

I wonder if the FRSO (Fight Back) is going to endorse ol' Barry like they did last go around...

If the Democrats retain the White House, I wonder if the US gov will target the FRSO comrades for repression, the way they did after the last presidential election. And, given the way the FRSO comrades have been treated, I have wondered for a while if the FRSO (both versions) will again see fit to endorse the Democrats this election year, just like they did last time.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Either spoiling my vote or not voting.

[mew]

Who's the idiot voting for Obama?
ngnm85

[Comrade Samuel]

Either spoiling my vote or not voting.

What is spoiling your vote anyways? I've never heard the phrased used before.:confused:

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I voted "spoiling" because I plan to write in either Fidel Castro or some other name.
Maybe Foghorn Leghorn. Huey P. Newton? Fred Hampton? Stza? RZA? GZA? Ghostface Killah?

But then I remembered my voter registration is out of date and I don't quite know if I feel like updating everything just to waste my time. I'm debating if I want to make DNZ proud or not.

[Luís Henrique]

Voted "not voting" (yeah, funny) because I am not an American citizen, I wanted to see the results, and the poll does not have the obvious "not an American citizen" option.

So you can discount my vote from the "not voting" total.

(If I was an American citizen, I would probably vote for a third candidate, provided there was a suitable one, or cast a null vote. There is nothing worse than apathy - not even voting for one of the two branches of the State party.)

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

What is spoiling your vote anyways? I've never heard the phrased used before.:confused:

Voting for someone, or something, that is not a candidate, or writing some political, or apolitical, statement on your vote. Issuing a vote that is not blank, but cannot be counted for any of the actual candidates.

Luís Henrique

[Igor]

Where's my Romney option? :(

[Luís Henrique]

Where's my Romney option? :(

Here:


Voting for another legitimate candidate

(option #3 in poll, between Obama and "not voting".)

Unless, of course, you consider Romney an illegitimate candidate...

Luís Henrique

[Igor]

Here:



(option #3 in poll, between Obama and "not voting".)

Unless, of course, you consider Romney an illegitimate candidate...

Luís Henrique

Damn, I'm blind.

But yeah, anyways, serious post: even though I'm not a US citizen, I probably wouldn't bother voting. I could consider voting if there actually was a solid third party option, but there really isn't one in the United States right now.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

What is spoiling your vote anyways? I've never heard the phrased used before.:confused:

Writing in "dis dick" as your vote or something along those lines.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I'm not going to vote for the psl girl who keeps fucking spamming my inbox, that much I know.

[Bostana]

Damn........ too bad I can't vote

[Crux]

Now I am not American, or even living in the state of Washington, but if I was I would vote for Kshama Sawant (http://www.votesawant.org/)for the Washington State House of Representatives, 43rd district.

[Ostrinski]

There is nothing worse than apathy - not even voting for one of the two branches of the State party.

Luís HenriqueCan you elaborate on your position on this? Interested.

[The_Red_Spark]

I don't know about voting for president or bourgeois politicians in general but same sex marriage is on the ballot in my state and I think that is worthy of our support. It will be the first time I have ever voted but I think it is an important issue that needs to be addressed. I believe all people deserve to enjoy the same legal rights and privileges.

[bcbm]

i dont vote it only encourages them

[Ostrinski]

Damn, 4 barry voters

[DasFapital]

:hammersickle:STALIN:hammersickle:

[Misanthrope]

I'm a minor so I am discriminated against in many ways including not having a meaningless vote.

[Prometeo liberado]

Well, in since Gus Hall is dead(along with the entire leadership of the CPUSA) and Big Bad Bob Avakian is "visualizing" socialism on the shores of Southern France I guess I'll have to go with choice three and let Peta Lindsay keep on embarrassing herself by just speaking....... I really hate election years. I really do.:(

[Pretty Flaco]

im not taking my damn free time to go vote. id rather go smoke.

[Veovis]

Bradley Manning

[The Jay]

I'll probably be curled up in the corner sobbing.

[Jimmie Higgins]

So what are you guys planning to do with your vote this November? I've heard arguments for many different options, most of which have been pretty solid. I'm currently still in high school and can't vote yet but would be interested in hearing what you guys think, so feel free to post any arguments for what the best voting decision is here.

I vote for the propositions - actually I generally vote so I can vote AGAINST most of the propositions. In California there's going to be an proposition to ban capital punishment in the state, but unfortunately it's also going to mandate more money to cops and prosecutes and make everyone now on Death Row automatically be Life without Parole which would limit their ability to appeal. And most disgusting is that Life prisoners will have to work in prison and give all the tiny wages they earn there over to victim's family groups.:thumbdown:

For President, I'm not voting for either candidate.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Oh look, 5 votes for Obama. No surprise considering the amount of psuedo-revolutionary, spineless, liberals we have on this site. You liberal cowards want to come out and justify this position?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Oh look, 5 votes for Obama. No surprise considering the amount of psuedo-revolutionary, spineless, liberals we have on this site. You liberal cowards want to come out and justify this position?
lol, I bet this is the best way to get those who seriously voted Obama "out". You're supposed to offer a cookie or something of that sort, not call them liberals or cowards.

[cynicles]

You guys need better political options, might I suggest the lemon party. They plan to support global warming and repeal the laws of gravity.

[ВАЛТЕР]

You guys need better political options, might I suggest the lemon party. They plan to support global warming and repeal the laws of gravity.

This is something I can get behind! Stop gravity!

[The Jay]

The idea of gravity is outdated and imaginary. We must move past these physical barriers to a new reality. Viva Chopra!

[The Cheshire Cat]

Has anyone of you ever considered to vote for Vermin Supreme? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme)
He will give every US citizen a pony if he becomes president.

[Landsharks eat metal]

Has anyone of you ever considered to vote for Vermin Supreme? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme)
He will give every US citizen a pony if he becomes president.

Yes, he already has my vote. I just haven't been able to convince anybody else to join me in that...

[The Cheshire Cat]

Yes, he already has my vote. I just haven't been able to convince anybody else to join me in that...

Great! Too bad you're one of the few to vote for him though.

[Lobotomy]

I sometimes vote for state initiatives/referendums but never for politicians.

[Red Banana]

I'll vote for Jill Stein, not because I particularly like her or The Green Party for that matter, but just to show some general discontent with the way things are and that more and more people are getting fed up with the republocrats and their libertarian side kicks. Besides, the Greens are the only party left of the Democrats recognized in my state, though I've looked at the list of candidates on the ballot online and she doesn't seem to be on there as of the moment, in which case I'll probably just end up spoiling my vote.

[Luís Henrique]

Oh look, 5 votes for Obama. No surprise considering the amount of psuedo-revolutionary, spineless, liberals we have on this site. You liberal cowards want to come out and justify this position?

Since coming out and justifying their position would result in their restriction, it is little wonder that they won't.

We can't debate reformists if we don't allow them to debate us.

Luís Henrique

[Raúl Duke]

Too busy focusing on finishing my first degree to waste my time and energy voting...plus my vote won't count this place is always a GOP county.

[Robespierres Neck]

I will vote for Peta Lindsay / Yari Osorio of the PSL, if they're on the ballet (but being from FL, I doubt they will be).

If not, I won't be voting at all.

Still, it makes me really uncomfortable that there's a possibility of a millionaire Mormon that practically owns LDS church and an Ayn Rand lovin' tea-party fanatic could be in the White House. Obama isn't much better, yes, but the thought of this turns my stomach.

[the Leftâ„¢]

Aint taking part in none of them bougie elections

[Silvr]

(If I was an American citizen, I would probably vote for a third candidate, provided there was a suitable one, or cast a null vote. There is nothing worse than apathy - not even voting for one of the two branches of the State party.)

Luís Henrique

I don't think apathy or inapathy is determined by whether or not you take five minutes to cast a vote in the ruling class's democratic circus.

For all the weaknesses of the US working class relative to their counterparts in much of the rest of the world, one thing many workers here know intuitively is that the ballot doesn't change anything substantively, and they are right.

[Silvr]

And if it wasn't clear from my previous post, I will not be voting, though come mid-October, I expect to receive the usual torrent of angry phone-calls from my social democratic family who will be "holding their noses" and voting Democrat, as usual.

[Ocean Seal]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/kobe24clutch1/Screenshotat2012-08-15194939.png

[The Jay]

I will vote for Peta Lindsay / Yari Osorio of the PSL, if they're on the ballet (but being from FL, I doubt they will be).

If not, I won't be voting at all.

Still, it makes me really uncomfortable that there's a possibility of a millionaire Mormon that practically owns LDS church and an Ayn Rand lovin' tea-party fanatic could be in the White House. Obama isn't much better, yes, but the thought of this turns my stomach.


. . . Peta Lindsay isn't 35 years old and I don't think Yari was born in the USA. They won't be on the ballot anywhere.

[cynicles]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/kobe24clutch1/Screenshotat2012-08-15194939.png
Pft noob, I use mine to paper cut the throat of a CEO THEN I use it to light my molotov.

[Pretty Flaco]

Pft noob, I use mine to paper cut the throat of a CEO THEN I use it to light my molotov.

i use my paper to spit my chewed gum into.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

If the Democrats retain the White House, I wonder if the US gov will target the FRSO comrades for repression, the way they did after the last presidential election. And, given the way the FRSO comrades have been treated, I have wondered for a while if the FRSO (both versions) will again see fit to endorse the Democrats this election year, just like they did last time.
Live by reformism, die by reformism.

[Veovis]

I wonder if the FRSO (Fight Back) is going to endorse ol' Barry like they did last go around...

Yep. (http://kasamaproject.org/2012/08/16/freedom-road-fightback-urges-votes-for-obama/)

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I wonder if the FRSO (Fight Back) is going to endorse ol' Barry like they did last go around...

Yep. Kasama has a critique of them for doing this.But I guess you can't lose with FARC and Barry the Bomber.

As for meeself, Jill Stein in 2012.She has problems, I know-sje calls for breaking up the banks while we call for putting them under public ownership. The vote for Stein actually is mostly as a talking point, in case someone asks me who I vote for.

[skitty]

I've heard of people casting spoiler votes in primaries in an attempt to eliminate the strongest opponent; but what's the point in showing up at the general election and voting Micky Mouse? Would anyone even care, or notice?

[Marxaveli]

Not voting obviously. No self-respecting Communist or any Leftist for that matter, will vote in a bourgeois election.

[Questionable]

I'm sticking my cock in the ballot box and leaving a big gooey mess for the counters.

so obama

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Nothing, I'm not registered. lol

But George Carlin said it best (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&feature=related)...

[Red Commissar]

I will be voting for comrades Romney and Ryan, for they are tribunes of our time. Long live Romney-Ryanism!

http://i.imgur.com/CqpcV.jpg

...

eh, either won't vote, or might drop by on my way back home and put someone random as a write in. In effect spoiling I suppose. Maybe Vermin Supreme, I want my damn pony.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I will be voting for comrades Romney and Ryan, for they are tribunes of our time. Long live Romney-Ryanism!

http://i.imgur.com/CqpcV.jpg

...

eh, either won't vote, or might drop by on my way back home and put someone random as a write in. In effect spoiling I suppose. Maybe Vermin Supreme, I want my damn pony.
Fidel Castro. We've been through this.

[SonofRage]

Voting is for suckers.

[cofresi]

I'll be voting for Obama in November. I know not a popular opinion, but there is a real chance of conservatives losing a lot of states this election. Plus its fun to watch the Republicans froth at the mouth :laugh:, they absolutely despise the man, even though he is pro big business.
But this will be the last election i participate in, Democrats talk left and act right and i just can't handle that anymore. 2016, perhaps the year of the rise of a socialist party in America??? Maybe?:confused:

[smellincoffee]

I think I may vote for Jill Stein. I don't like the Green party's stance on nuclear energy, but they're anti-corporate. I'll be going to the polls to vote against all the incumbents in the legislature anyway.

[Rational Radical]

Although the green party will never,ever win, they are "people and environment over profits" and just good,genuine people. Their platform looks like a watered down version of libertarian socialism which kind of reminds of Eugene v. Debs running his campaign on the basis of watered down or parliamentary/electoral Marxism. It's amazing how he had 1,000,000 or more votes,today people call Obama a socialist/communist :crying: :( :confused:

[doesn't even make sense]

I'll be placing 6 votes for Obama come November. Stay mad.

[#FF0000]

votin 4 romney

[ed miliband]

Although the green party will never,ever win, they are "people and environment over profits" and just good,genuine people. Their platform looks like a watered down version of libertarian socialism which kind of reminds of Eugene v. Debs running his campaign on the basis of watered down or parliamentary/electoral Marxism. It's amazing how he had 1,000,000 or more votes,today people call Obama a socialist/communist :crying: :( :confused:

i'm sure obama and romney are both "good, genuine people" in certain company, too.

[Rational Radical]

i'm sure obama and romney are both "good, genuine people" in certain company, too.

Romney and the republicans are open about their class hostility towards the working class and poor and Obama and his corporate democrats are merely pushing the right-wing agenda under the pretense of being left, so compared to the greens who are eco-friendly,speak about a greater distribution of wealth and the proposal of direct democracy,I don't think that's a fair statement. I understand your criticism of strictly judging candidates of characters but I said that because although I think the greens are wasting their time by participating in electoral politics, I think they're not hypocrites and therefore genuine.

[X5N]

Non-serious vote for Jill Stein.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Cthulu..why vote for the lesser evil?

Actually Jill Stein, mainly because of people ask me who I'm voting for, I can say, "Jill Stein". Bourgeois elections are obviously bogus, The idea is to build a movement. The ruling doesn't mind it if people don't vote-most people don't (for most prez elections the turn out has been around 50%, until Obama) but they hate it if people vote for a third party. Look at the rage of liberals and Democrats at Nader and other third party projects.

[Red Commissar]

today people call Obama a socialist/communist :crying: :( :confused:

I think this is a consequence of US political hysteria more than Obama himself. I think if you were to give a random citizen quotes from politicians in the past, they would think some sounded "socialist" even if they were from right-wing politicians here. I'm sure I could probably even pull that off about Reagan, he had a lot to say about collective bargaining and unions when Solidarity was in Poland (about the same time he broke PATCO) but someone might perceive as "socialist" out of context.


The ruling doesn't mind it if people don't vote-most people don't (for most prez elections the turn out has been around 50%, until Obama) but they hate it if people vote for a third party. Look at the rage of liberals and Democrats at Nader and other third party projects.

Yeah, that rage even comes from normal members of those parties too, they accuse them of "splitting" the vote. At the very least those who are taking the Greens seriously are voting for someone that closely matches token progressive positions, as opposed to Democrats who seem to be fooling themselves over their party's positions and actions.

Criticisms of voting notwithstanding, I'm not sure how any professed "progressive" can say with a straight face that it's worth voting for Obama, even for "tactical" reasons (see progressives for Obama). Or organizations like CPUSA and FRSO FB.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

Stewart Alexander - SPUSA

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I'll vote for a socialist or communist third party (I need to see which ones will be on the ballot here). I won't spoil my ballot because I plan to vote in favor of the same sex marriage initiative.

[sixdollarchampagne]

I put "undecided," because, while I am powerfully drawn to the "Vote for nobody" position, Lenin apparently held that it is necessary to participate in "parliament" until we have the power to overthrow it. The best I can figure out, that may mean voting for a lesser leftist party and encouraging others to do so. I am not sure of which parties will be on the ballot, since I now live in the tropical US South.

Years ago, when I joined the SPUSA for a year to work on their presidential campaign, it turned out that in liberal Massachusetts, the state government did not even count SP write-in votes, so it seems reasonable to turn one's efforts elsewhere, than to elections. Maybe explaining to other people why, if the elections could change anything, they would be illegal, is a way to go.

One thing I wish is that more people knew (1) that under Obama, the poverty rate, the number of people living under the poverty line, has risen for four consecutive years , according to public radio, so even if one is a liberal, it makes no sense to vote for the Democratic contender this year. The other fact that I wish the press would report, is that the poverty rate under the Democrats is higher than it was under George W. Bush, the liberals' nemesis. But that never gets mentioned on television or in the press, and it's a fact right there in the US government statistics.

I don't understand Democrats; I can't imagine anyone wishing for four more years of this lousy, rotten, failing economy, which is Obama's legacy to the nation.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Bad news is neither the Socialist Party nor the PSL balloted in my state so it's a choice between the Peace and Freedom Party(Roseanne Barr) and the Green Party(Jill Stein). Probably will vote for Jill, I can't stand Roseanne(her acting/comedy or her politics which amount to ridiculous sloganeering. Everybody is a fascist to her).

[Break Free1017]

I really don't know yet. But it doesn't matter because even if Obama loses, it'll be a different face, same government. The U.S. presidential race is impassioned almost to the point of hysteria, but it hardly represents any healthy democratic impulses. Americans are encouraged to vote, but not participate more meaningfully in the political arena. The elections are just one more way of marginalizing the population. During the 60s, the outburst of popular participation in democracy frightened sectors of privilege and power, causing them to launch a fierce counter campaign taking many forms until today. Obama and Romney can run because they have the backing of similar concentrations of private power.

[sixdollarchampagne]

Cthulu..why vote for the lesser evil?

Actually Jill Stein, mainly because of people ask me who I'm voting for, I can say, "Jill Stein". Bourgeois elections are obviously bogus, The idea is to build a movement. The ruling doesn't mind it if people don't vote-most people don't (for most prez elections the turn out has been around 50%, until Obama) but they hate it if people vote for a third party. Look at the rage of liberals and Democrats at Nader and other third party projects.

Isn't the Green Party pro-capitalist? Wouldn't that kind of nullify the value of voting Green?

I followed the Nader campaign of the Greens with some interest back in the year 2000. One thing that I noticed (and I'm not making this up) was that in 2000, the Greens had a position on whaling (against, that is) weeks and weeks before they had a position on racism (against), which kind of shows a petit bourgeois bias/class identification, I think.

What's needed, obviously, is a mass break from the Democrats; six years ago, I got seriously verbally attacked in print (twice, IIRC) by a vanishingly small sectarian group for saying that I could not foresee any circumstances in the near future that would lead any sizable group of workers to make that break and form their own party; they didn't do that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, some years back, and, now, after four years of jobless "recovery," under a Democratic administration, with an economy that gives working people absolutely no reason to "hope" (the Obama slogan), there is no sign that essential mass break from the Democrats is gonna take place this year, either. There can be no social progress in the US unless and until that break takes place. What happens instead is that the contradictions accumulate, but capital goes unchallenged in the US, and that is bad for every plebeian on earth.

[Ele'ill]

No vote.

[freethinker]

too young but I would give my vote for Stein she is a true left wing populist even if she isnt a socialist. I certainly would not vote for Alexander or a 27 year old

[Doflamingo]

I voted for not voting, but I think I might just write in Lil B instead. Basedgod seems like he could get things done.

LIL B/SOULJA BOY 2012

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Isn't the Green Party pro-capitalist? Wouldn't that kind of nullify the value of voting Green?

I followed the Nader campaign of the Greens with some interest back in the year 2000. One thing that I noticed (and I'm not making this up) was that in 2000, the Greens had a position on whaling (against, that is) weeks and weeks before they had a position on racism (against), which kind of shows a petit bourgeois bias/class identification, I think.

What's needed, obviously, is a mass break from the Democrats; six years ago, I got seriously verbally attacked in print (twice, IIRC) by a vanishingly small sectarian group for saying that I could not foresee any circumstances in the near future that would lead any sizable group of workers to make that break and form their own party; they didn't do that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, some years back, and, now, after four years of jobless "recovery," under a Democratic administration, with an economy that gives working people absolutely no reason to "hope" (the Obama slogan), there is no sign that essential mass break from the Democrats is gonna take place this year, either. There can be no social progress in the US unless and until that break takes place. What happens instead is that the contradictions accumulate, but capital goes unchallenged in the US, and that is bad for every plebeian on earth.

The Greens are all over the place. I've had long time Green activists insist the party was socialist while others say they want to reform capitalism or create some "third alternative between patriarchal capitalism and socialism" (someone wrote a book on this, I didn't think it was worth reading).

The Cobb wing wants to front for the Democrats while Howie Hawkins is an interesting left Green.

The party is essentially a liberal left petty bourgeois formation which may not even last though the current crisis. Its important at this stage to open up some room to the left of the Dems. That's why I'm voting for Stein, mostly for the mere fact that I can offer some alternative to open a discussion to the left of Obama.Otherwise I'm not expecting much.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I voted for not voting, but I think I might just write in Lil B instead. Basedgod seems like he could get things done.

LIL B/SOULJA BOY 2012
I'm horrified

Ghostface Killah 2012

[freethinker]

Just watched the debates, kind of what I expected, Mitt Romney abandoned most of his plat form on stage as usual, Obama insisted that a very wish washy form of social democracy was our solution all while prasing the free market..:lol:

Mitt Romney denied that he wanted to lower taxes on the wealthy... :)

[RedSonRising]

I chose "not voting", but I was encouraged by the number of people I knew picking 3rd party candidates (mostly green, but still, it's a significant departure from the mainstream liberal love affair from 2008), and voted for PSL candidate Peta Lindsay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MkMsAiO9HU

[Pretty Flaco]

selling my vote for $$$

[A.C.a.B 23]

Watch George Carlin on voting
sums it up.

[enlightened_ape2112]

I voted for Jill Stein although I was tempted to write in Santa Claus.

[Robespierres Neck]

I voted for Peta Lindsay. I got to meet her in Ft. Lauderdale, she's a bright woman.
I was mainly focused on certain state amendments, particularly 6 (taking public fundings out of abortions) and 8 (giving public fundings for things like education to religious institutions and businesses, which I rallied against). Amendment 8 was a tricky one because they decided to give it the label 'Religious Freedom'. To my surprise, neither was passed.

[Geiseric]

I'm too young to vote but id vote what the CA student union organizers tell me to on state props, I wouldn't of voted for president though. Maybe roseanne barr if I could vote, her and cindy sheehan who campaigned vs. Bush in texas. That shows you someones tough hahaha

[Perusal]

I decided not to vote considering we've been following the same neoliberal policies since the Reagan's term. As well as there really is no logical point to vote for the lesser of two evils.