Politics "Explained" Liberatarians argue the left "forces" people..

[R_P_A_S]

I was in a debate with some Ron Paul Libetarian fan boy the other day. I wasn't even trying to discuss politics but he suckered me into having a debate on his terms. Vague answers and using the word "Freedom" very loosely. I saw this posted the other day by one of his Ron Paul friends and I noticed that how they use the word "FORCE" for both Left and Right politics...

In your own Revolutionary words how YOU defined their "perfect" answers to Marriage, Health Care, Money, Taxation and War?


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[cynicles]

The terms of the arguement are false to begin with, libertarians assume the 'left' are the democrats amongst other false assumptions. The democrats are hardly at the centre nevermind the left.

[Rational Radical]

All of those chicks are cute imo, but who cares about what a "libertarian" has to say when they hijacked their name from a radical socialist tendency(coined by Joseph Dejacque:Anarcho-Communist)? Everytime i debate libertarians i bring up this fact just to piss them off

[mew]

Why do they use pictures of "hot" girls to illustrate their chart? Pissing me off...

[Positivist]

I love how libertarians act like if only businessmen didn't have so many damn taxes they would be able to give money to charity, as that's clearly their motivation.

[Lobotomy]

yeah, libertarians like to oversimplify things to the point where their ideas are not even really applicable to real life situations. Basically most libertarians are people who haven't really had to face the real challenges that society presents to most people. they live in a fantasy world where every problem can be traced back solely to the existence of a state. It's a very simpleminded and watered-down mentality, perhaps that's why libertarianism attracts so many young people.

[La Comédie Noire]

There intentions are all well and good, but when push comes to shove they just end up voting Republican and for the "Right Wing" category anyways.

[Comrade Samuel]

Why do they use pictures of "hot" girls to illustrate their chart? Pissing me off...

The capitalist says "sex sells!" whereas the libertarian says "sex makes people listen to my not so well thought out opinions!"

[RedHammer]

The chart is entirely irrelevant. History, and economy, is not a course of action based on individual and disconnected decisions or "Great Men", but material forces: class struggle and the current antagonism between capital and labor. Libertarianism is the epitome of idealism: the belief that eternal ideals guide man and not material conditions.

Not to mention, it's obviously one-sided bullshit.

[R_P_A_S]

How exactly does the Right and Left or "the state" found marriage for people? We pay for the cake too?

[Lynx]

Married people enjoy certain tax deductions and other privileges. I'm surprised they didn't bring up the issue of children, which the state also 'funds'.

[RadioRaheem84]

What a convenient ass chart!

They don't even try hard at propaganda. They're also insulting the intelligence level of the average reader.

[Rafiq]

Yes, the chart is a reflection of their childish naivity and stupidity.

[NewLeft]

way too many fucking libertarian institutes producing shit

but this quick chart is convenient and easy to understand.. something you'd find circulating on facebook/twitter

[NewLeft]

The terms of the arguement are false to begin with, libertarians assume the 'left' are the democrats amongst other false assumptions. The democrats are hardly at the centre nevermind the left.
no, not even the democrats agree with what's listed..

but i like how libertarians try to distance themselves from the right and left, oh we're the best of both worlds! we're the third position/the alternative..etc no you're right wing

[RadioRaheem84]

way too many fucking libertarian institutes producing shit


Just how are these groups getting funded? There are so many of them popping up.

The net is filled with libertarian junk.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Anyone that has their opinion swayed by this is someone who I wouldn't want on our side anyway.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

I have a problem with the infantile usage of the term "the state". I want a state of workers to force the rich (not to give up higher taxes) but to be liquidated as a class.
This is a fitting quote:
“We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky

[NewLeft]

Just how are these groups getting funded? There are so many of them popping up.

The net is filled with libertarian junk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute#Funding_and_structure

even charities fund these organizations..

[Positivist]

Libertarians are really irritatating. Would anyone be down for debating the lassiez faire capitalism group on Facebook? I'm thinking of setting up a socialist community page called "socialism =\= state ownership" or something like that which we could launch debates from. Would anyone be interested?

[cynicles]

no, not even the democrats agree with what's listed..

but i like how libertarians try to distance themselves from the right and left, oh we're the best of both worlds! we're the third position/the alternative..etc no you're right wing

You're right, I'm giving the democrat way too much credit, I'd be impressed if they even made universal healthcare.

I don't think any of these capitalists, libertarian or otherwise, understand that socialism is a complete shift not just lightly modified capitalism with taxes and state ownership. 'It's easier for them to imagine the end of the world then the end of capitalism' is so very true for them. Thatchers garbage about socialism being impossible because you can't spend other peoples money doesn't even make any sense. It's like saying birds can't fly because otters have oily fur.

[maskerade]

I still think the 'left wing one' looks the best out of all of them...

[pluckedflowers]

Being forced by the government to pay for health care is so much more oppressive than being forced to choose between insurance, bankruptcy, or death.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I have a problem with the infantile usage of the term "the state". I want a state of workers to force the rich (not to give up higher taxes) but to be liquidated as a class.
This is a fitting quote:
“We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky

Depends on the level of counter-revolution/reaction.

If it is not great, then there is no need for terror.

If your first aim is terror, then I really worry.

[Ocean Seal]

Actually, the government can't force you to do anything more than any businessman can in an anarcho-capitalist society. Why don't they just go Galt? I'm sure that they won't even need to pay taxes when the rest of society needs them back so badly.

[rednordman]

Omg! a libertarian society would get invaded so easily. Are these Americans so naive as to think that the rest of the world would just leave them alone just because they are American?

[cynicles]

Omg! a libertarian society would get invaded so easily. Are these Americans so naive as to think that the rest of the world would just leave them alone just because they are American?
lol silly you! Dontcha know that Americans are exceptional!

[Robocommie]

Being forced by the government to pay for health care is so much more oppressive than being forced to choose between insurance, bankruptcy, or death.

Everytime Libertarians start in on all of the myriad things they're forced to endure, I really just feel like breaking out the world's tiniest violin.

[piet11111]

Depends on the level of counter-revolution/reaction.

If it is not great, then there is no need for terror.

If your first aim is terror, then I really worry.

Its one of those old timey uses of the word similar how dictatorship of the proletariat also sounds scary because it has dictatorship in it.