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Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 07:28
Assad is arming the Marxist-Leninist rebels. Kurdistan will be born! Long live the Kurdistan Workers Party! Death to Turkish Fascism! Death to Erdogan!

From the Ortho-Trot SEP site:



Turkey attacks Kurds, threatens military action against Syria

By Chris Marsden
7 August 2012

On the eve of an expected major offensive in Aleppo by the Syrian regime, Turkey has threatened to invade Syria, using the pretext of Kurdish groups seizing control of northern border areas.

Such a move could pitch Ankara directly into war against Syria, after it has long sought to dictate events through control of the opposition Syrian National Congress and Free Syrian Army.

This would be done with the full support of the United States.

Al Ahram cited reports in the Turkish media that the US embassy in Ankara and the consulate in Adana in southeast Turkey have “been planning military operations against the Baathist regime in Syria with the knowledge of the Turkish government.”

Large numbers of trucks have been seen coming out of the US airbase at Incirlik, laden with arms for distribution to the Syrian opposition.

Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has warned of an impending massacre in Aleppo, close to the Turkish border, and appealed for action. This is combined with ever escalating rhetoric over the “terrorist threat” posed by the Kurds.

In the past fortnight, up to 115 Kurdish fighters have been killed in a south eastern Turkey in military operations, including air strikes near the town of Semdinli. Sunday saw a counter-offensive in which Kurdish forces raided three military posts near the Iraq border that left at least six soldiers and 14 rebels dead. Turkish officials claim to be combating a 200-strong force of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK.

Kurds make up 17 percent of Iraq’s 31 million people, including the semi-autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan, nine percent of Syria’s 21 million population, and seven to ten percent of Iran’s 75 million people.

Turkey, which has a 25 percent Kurdish population (20 million Kurds) is bitterly opposed to the creation of an independent state. The Turkish army has targeted PKK forces, with which it has been in conflict since 1984 at a cost of 40,000 mainly Kurdish lives. However, the governing Justice and Development Party (AKP) has made clear that its ultimate aim is to intervene directly into Syria.

Without naming anyone, Prime Minister Racip Tayyip Erdogan accused foreign countries of backing the Kurdish fighters, who had made “dastardly” attacks on least three military bases. “Turkey has the strength to put enemy nations and circles who hold the strings of the terrorist organisation in their place,” he threatened.

Deputy AKP Chairman Omer Celik stated more directly, “The preparations and multi-pronged attack by the PKK in Hakkari exceeds the PKK’s capabilities. The PKK, in carrying out the attacks in Semdinli and Hakkari, acted in parallel with the massacres carried out by [Syrian President Bashar al] Assad’s forces in Aleppo.”

The AKP has placed itself at the head of the movement to depose Assad, breaking its former alliance with Syria. It calculated that this would secure its leadership of an alliance of Sunni powers, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which the United States is utilising as a proxy through which to establish a client regime in Syria. This would cut Shia Iran off from its major regional ally and deprive Russia and China of a foothold in the Middle East.

It has worked to secure the support of Kurdish groups in Syria and to bring them into the SNC, which is now led by Abdelbaset Sayda—a Kurd living in exile in Sweden. But most Kurds view the SNC with deep suspicion, due to the dominant role played by the Muslim Brotherhood and the involvement of Riyadh and Qatar in funding, arming and training the insurgents. Routine professions of non-sectarianism count for little against the growing weight of Al Qaeda and Salafist forces in the anti-Assad camp.

The most widely supported Kurdish group, the PKK, and its local unofficial affiliate, the Democratic Unionist Party (PYD), initially allied themselves with Assad based upon opposition to the Sunni insurgency and anticipation of being rewarded with some form of autonomy.

In recent days, the transfer of Syrian units to build up a reported Aleppo force of 20,000 has left a vacuum that has been filled by the PYD and other groups that are now said to control four or five of the main towns and cities in northern Syria.

To this threat, Erdogan has stated, “It is our most natural right to intervene since those terrorist formations would disturb our national peace... In the North, (Assad) has already allocated five provinces to the terrorists.”

Turkey has been working to secure some form of accommodation with the leader of Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish administration, President Massoud Barzani, to prevent movements in Syria, Iraq and Turkey from meeting up. It sent Davatoglu to the capital, Erbil, on August 1 for talks. A joint statement expressed “deep concern regarding instability and chaos in Syria” that posed “a threat to regional security and stability” and promised co-ordinated efforts to establish a democratic, non-sectarian Syria.

However, this follows an earlier admission by Barzani to al-Jazeera that Syrian Kurds have been trained militarily in Iraq.

Any prospect of a Kurdish autonomous region, whether under Assad or a post-Assad government, is anathema to Ankara. But it is also utilising the Kurdish question as a means of establishing a bridgehead in Syria.

The SNC and the Syrian Kurdish National Council (KNC) have agreed to establish a committee to address Turkey’s concerns about the threat of “terrorism” following a meeting with Davutoglu. Abdulhakim Bashar, the head of the KNC, denounced the PYD as an ally of Assad and stated that the best option for Syrian Kurds is to form a Kurdish confederation affiliated with Turkey.

Stressing the Kurdish threat above all provides Turkey with a casus belli for declaring war on Syria and opening up a second front to complement the invasion of the commercial capital, Aleppo, by FSA and jihadist fighters. Ankara has already moved 2,000 troops to the Syrian border, as well as missiles, helicopters and tanks.
Turkey’s repression of the Kurds is being carried out with the full backing of Washington, which sees Turkey as the best candidate for leading a proxy war in Syria. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is to travel to Turkey for talks this week. The Obama administration is presiding over the arming and training of the opposition by its regional allies and has its CIA and military operatives on the ground.

This week the Daily Telegraph reported that the Syrian Support Group (SSG) has been granted a license to send funds to the opposition by the US Treasury, described by the group as a “game changer”.

Washington’s criminal actions in deliberately provoking a sectarian war in Syria are at the centre of a still greater crime. In order to secure unchallenged hegemony over vital oil supplies, the US is allying itself with Al Qaeda elements, the Muslim Brotherhood and Gulf despots to redraw the map of the Middle East in blood.http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/aug2012/syri-a07.shtml

Igor
7th August 2012, 10:17
Why are you talking in slogans? It looks pretty stupid and makes you look like the cliché you probably are.

Sasha
7th August 2012, 10:26
Why are you talking in slogans? It looks pretty stupid and makes you look like the cliché you probably are.

because if he wasnt he would find out that the PKK isnt marxist-leninist and erdogan isnt fascist.... clear case of "dont confuse me with the facts when my mind is made up"itis..

agnixie
7th August 2012, 13:43
Seriously this is ridiculous, between the empty rhetoric, the blatant trolling and the racist bullshit (snidely implying someone is lying about their ethnicity, antisemitic propaganda posters), why the fuck is this guy not restricted or banned yet.

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 14:20
because if he wasnt he would find out that the PKK isnt marxist-leninist and erdogan isnt fascist.... clear case of "dont confuse me with the facts when my mind is made up"itis..

The PKK is Marxist-Leninist, Erdogan is a puppet of US imperialism, and so is the Western so-called "Left."

Western radiKKKals love the Syrian Contras, and hate the socialist, secular government of Assad, but hate actual revolutionaries waging war against a truly oppressive regime in the service of imperialism.

The Western so-called "Left" is nothing more than an extension of White Power. It is nothing but Hitlerism.

cynicles
7th August 2012, 14:41
Rofl! Assad a socialist? I'm guessing China must be socialist in you mind?

Zukunftsmusik
7th August 2012, 14:48
The PKK is Marxist-Leninist, Erdogan is a puppet of US imperialism, and so is the Western so-called "Left."

Western radiKKKals love the Syrian Contras, and hate the socialist, secular government of Assad, but hate actual revolutionaries waging war against a truly oppressive regime in the service of imperialism.

okay, so Erdogan is armed by the americans, PKK is armed by Assad... but only Erdogan is the puppet here? Assad's "socialism" can also be discussed, to put it mildly.


The Western so-called "Left" is nothing more than an extension of White Power. It is nothing but Hitlerism.

What clear cut analysis! :rolleyes:

Sasha
7th August 2012, 14:49
The PKK is Marxist-Leninist, Erdogan is a puppet of US imperialism, and so is the Western so-called "Left."

Western radiKKKals love the Syrian Contras, and hate the socialist, secular government of Assad, but hate actual revolutionaries waging war against a truly oppressive regime in the service of imperialism.

The Western so-called "Left" is nothing more than an extension of White Power. It is nothing but Hitlerism.

Sigh... get a dictionary... get an encyclopedia... get an historybook...

thälmann
7th August 2012, 15:11
it seems that fight social fascism is either a troll or really uneducated politically.

the pkk is and was never marxist-leninist. but since a few years the openly denied to be it, and changed their line to democratic confederanism( i dont know the english name), which is a strange mix of anarchist feminist and kommunalist ideologies.

although i support the war of the pkk aqgainst the turkish regime ( i wouldnt be too loud to say its not fascist), the pkk is not the diehard antiimperialist movement somebody may think. they had and have kind of a "strange" relationship to the us and israel.

on the other hand its clear they had some good relation with syria, but know they try to make their own thing there and dont support assad or the rebels( they occupied several kurdish citys and build their kind of council-state there).

and yeah syria is socialist....what??

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 15:30
Rofl! Assad a socialist? I'm guessing China must be socialist in you mind?

Whether or not China is "socialist" is as meaningless to me as whether or not Lenin's NEP was "socialist." China is a worker's state, and so was Russia under the NEP.

The neo-Nazi Western "Left" would hate it either way. They criticize the Democratic People's Republic of Korea from the "Right" and the People's Republic of China from the "Left." It's all White Power chauvinism, disguised as radiKKKalism.

China & Market Socialism: A Question of State & Revolution (http://return2source.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/china-market-socialism-a-question-of-state-revolution/).

Korea Resilient! Socialism in Democratic Korea (http://return2source.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/korea-resilient-socialism-in-democratic-korea/).

cynicles
7th August 2012, 15:34
China, a workers state capitalists can get behind!

The should be their new slogan.

Igor
7th August 2012, 15:54
cut down the crack

Sasha
7th August 2012, 15:55
The neo-Nazi Western "Left" would hate it either way [...] It's all White Power chauvinism, disguised as radiKKKalism.
.

hey dude, call other users here nazi's, radikkkals or white power again and your banned, last warning.
also, chance that anti-semite profile pic, or again, your banned..

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 16:19
And so stormfrontleft.com reveals it doesn't actually tolerate real revolutionary views.

These radiKKKals even has the audacity to call a picture that appeared in the DailyWorker anti-Semitic, because it accuses Trotsky and Hitler of having identical goals! Which is of course true, as both Hitler and Trotsky sought the creation of a "Pan-European" nation. Trotsky championed this Hitlerite ideal under the banner of the "United States of Europe," which Lenin rightly denounced as reactionary.

The biggest joke of all, is that these White Nationalist pseudo-radiKKKals don't even champion the very liberal values they use to criticize actual revolutionaries and actually existing socialism! When it comes down to it, they do not tolerate dissent from their Social-Fascist views. You either march in line with their imperialist masters to the drum-beats of war against Syria (just like this reactionary Hitlerite-Left just did with Libya), or you are not allowed to speak!

They even allow out and out anti-socialists to speak in an "Opposing Ideologies" section, because they prefer to allow their ultra-reactionary brethen to stay and "debate" them, but they can not tolerate actual debate, based on real Marxist and Leninist analysis.

Sasha
7th August 2012, 16:21
yeah, well, you had your chance... bye...

Sinister Cultural Marxist
7th August 2012, 16:33
yeah, well, you had your chance... bye...

Dude, come on, that guy was so amusingly caricatured! Sorry, kkkarikkkatured! You should have kept him around just a little longer, if only for the lawls

Now he's gonna blame his banning on the evil unauthentikkk social fascist kkkonspiracy to control the words of real leninists like himself.

cynicles
7th August 2012, 17:09
He was either the biggest idiot in the world or a troll.

Threetune
7th August 2012, 18:30
hey dude, call other users here nazi's, radikkkals or white power again and your banned, last warning.
also, chance that anti-semite profile pic, or again, your banned..

Does this apply to ‘cynicles’ also here: #12 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/saudiarabia-growing-protests-t173487/showpost.php?p=2492100&postcount=12)

"Yes, that's why I hate the Saudi regime, because of its and qatari backing for the jihadist faction in the uprising. Of the fact that you think the entire uprising is because of imperialists is pretty racist and belittling to Syrians. But I'm sure you have some quote from Stalin all ready to go to justify your closet racism."

Igor
7th August 2012, 18:59
Does this apply to ‘cynicles’ also here: #12 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/saudiarabia-growing-protests-t173487/showpost.php?p=2492100&postcount=12)

"Yes, that's why I hate the Saudi regime, because of its and qatari backing for the jihadist faction in the uprising. Of the fact that you think the entire uprising is because of imperialists is pretty racist and belittling to Syrians. But I'm sure you have some quote from Stalin all ready to go to justify your closet racism."

He doesn't accuse anyone of "fascism, radiKKKalism or white power" in that post though so...

cynicles
7th August 2012, 19:57
Besides, I was only half serious about that last part.

Threetune
7th August 2012, 21:43
Besides, I was only half serious about that last part.

Oh yes, the classic defence of the unprincipled ‘left’ trolls everywhere when caught out being a hypocrites.

From the Canadian this excuse translates to ‘left’ English as: “We was oney avin a laff mate.” And all thoughtless reactionary shite is excused with your feeble line-“I was only half serious.”

I know not why, but the words ‘head’ and ‘dick’ spring to mind when I read posts from this lad. Perhaps someone could put them into a well known phrase or saying that would not breach the forum rules.

All the capitalist economic news is relentlessly dire, which only means more imperialist war against everything and everyone without exception. Only holding out the perspective of proletarian dictatorship against warmongering and all sick cynicism, scepticism and downright ‘left’ pro-imperialist anti-communism offers any hope for the planet.

cynicles
7th August 2012, 22:13
I was serious about the racism part, not serious about it being closeted, thus half serious. It's funny you and FSF almost remind me of that Zionist duo that was trolling these forums awhile back. Was it have333333 and theredjew I think?

Threetune
8th August 2012, 00:07
Please have a word with this lad about his silly ‘racism’ accusations before I justifiably start criticising you and this entire Revleft site for being run-of-the mill-giddy kippers and all round naughty little imps.

cynicles
8th August 2012, 00:37
So what country are you from?
*british accent*


Because I'm Canadian and all canadians speak in a british accent.

Sasha
8th August 2012, 09:39
Please have a word with this lad about his silly ‘racism’ accusations before I justifiably start criticising you and this entire Revleft site for being run-of-the mill-giddy kippers and all round naughty little imps.

Oh please do, your mate already did also such an excellent job.
Call me a liberal imperialist all you want, your wrong but hey, ill call you an orientalist capitalist bourgeois dictator cheerleader every chance I get too. Just don't start calling other users nazis, that's just not revleft.

thälmann
8th August 2012, 13:44
so back to topic would be a good idea...

some nice vids about the pkk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=mfjzehg2ju8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMfJRnWu52Y&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRsw5s28jxY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAOGS40c3uE

cynicles
8th August 2012, 22:51
They've always seemed to be more Kurdish nationalists then Marxists like many of the old Marxist organizations from the 20th century. Marxism just seems to be a way to channel their politics and isn't really their cause with the exception of a few within the organization.

thälmann
8th August 2012, 23:46
yeah but know they walk streigght in the other direction with immediately no state, kommunalism etc. , and the very strange idea of peaceful transition to whatever. what i dont understand here is that they could have a fucking huge army if they wanted and really win a war against the turkish regime. but it seems they are afraid of their own power.

Teacher
8th August 2012, 23:56
Wow.. just wow at this guy being banned while reactionaries are allowed to stay and continue posting.

cynicles
9th August 2012, 00:33
yeah but know they walk streigght in the other direction with immediately no state, kommunalism etc. , and the very strange idea of peaceful transition to whatever. what i dont understand here is that they could have a fucking huge army if they wanted and really win a war against the turkish regime. but it seems they are afraid of their own power.
I wonder if America, Israel, Syria and Iraq wouldn't step in though, possibly even Iran. Probably not Syria right now but the others are either tied to the region itself or close allies of Turkey.

thälmann
9th August 2012, 01:16
I wonder if America, Israel, Syria and Iraq wouldn't step in though, possibly even Iran. Probably not Syria right now but the others are either tied to the region itself or close allies of Turkey.

that could be true, at least one or some of them. But between them are lots of heavy contradictions and they all could be confronted with their own populations if a lprogressive force is escalating the struggle in such a big way.

the pkk has very, very deep roots inside the kurdish population, even in europe etc., and they could bring the western world a lot of trouble, like they showed in the 90s.

cynicles
9th August 2012, 01:26
Now there is an idea! If only the left were a lot stronger in that region we could have something. It'll be up to whatever happens in Egypt I still think to point the way forward, that always seems to be the cradly of new ideology fo rhte rest of the Arab world, which would explain why the Saudis prefer to keep it under their thumb.

Joe Hill
13th August 2012, 09:36
The unjust and illegitimate occupation of the Kurdish regions by the fascist, pro-imperialist regime in Turkey must be brought to an end. The regime in Turkey has long acted as a springboard for aggression against the socialist countries and the revolutionary Arab states i.e. Egypt, Iraq, and Syria throughout its history. The prison-house of peoples known as the Ottoman Empire has never been fully dismantled: the Kurdish regions are entitled to self-determination just like Greece and Bulgaria before them.

cynicles
15th August 2012, 00:32
The unjust and illegitimate occupation of the Kurdish regions by the fascist, pro-imperialist regime in Turkey must be brought to an end. The regime in Turkey has long acted as a springboard for aggression against the socialist countries and the revolutionary Arab states i.e. Egypt, Iraq, and Syria throughout its history. The prison-house of peoples known as the Ottoman Empire has never been fully dismantled: the Kurdish regions are entitled to self-determination just like Greece and Bulgaria before them.
Greece and Bulgaria don't even have that really, all the smaller countries of Europe are just protectorates of the main intra-european imperialists.