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Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 03:47
Lenin commands us to turn the imperialist war into a civil war. The only correct slogan is this slogan. The only real revolutionary tactic is this tactic.



The only correct proletarian slogan is to transform the present imperialist war into a civil war. This transformation flows from all the objective conditions of the current military disaster, and only by systematically propagandising and agitating in that direction can the workers’ parties fulfil the obligations they undertook at Basle. That is the only kind of tactics that will be truly revolutionary working-class tactics, corresponding to the conditions of the new historical epoch.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/sep/00.htm

To dispute this is social-chauvinism. It is axiomatic. It is the desire of the entire revolutionary class.



During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its government.

This is axiomatic, and disputed only by conscious partisans or helpless satellites of the social-chauvinists. Among the former, for instance, is Semkovsky of the Organising Committee (No. 2 of its Izvestia), and among the latter, Trotsky and Bukvoyed,[2] (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm#fwV21E134) and Kautsky in Germany. To desire Russia’s defeat, Trotsky writes, is “an uncalled-for and absolutely unjustifiable concession to the political methodology of social-patriotism, which would replace the revolutionary struggle against the war and the conditions causing it, with an orientation—highly arbitrary in the present conditions—towards the lesser evil” (Nashe Slovo No. 105).

This is an instance of high-flown phraseology with which Trotsky always justifies opportunism. A “revolutionary struggle against the war” is merely an empty and meaning less exclamation, something at which the heroes of the Second International excel, unless it means revolutionary action against one’s own government even in wartime. One has only to do some thinking in order to understand this. Wartime revolutionary action against one’s own government indubitably means, not only desiring its defeat, but really facilitating such a defeat. ("Discerning reader”: note that this does not mean “blowing up bridges”, organising unsuccessful strikes in the war industries, and ·in general helping the government defeat the revolutionaries.

To call for a Revolution during a reactionary war is to call for civil war. Only this slogan is consistently revolutionary.



A revolution in wartime means civil war; the conversion of a war between governments into a civil war is, on the one hand, facilitated by military reverses ("defeats") of governments; on the other hand, one cannot actually strive for such a conversion without thereby facilitating defeat.

The reason why the chauvinists (including the Organising Committee and the Chkheidze group) repudiate the defeat “slogan” is that this slogan alone implies a consistent call for revolutionary action against one’s own government in wartime. Without such action, millions of ultra-revolutionary phrases such as a war against “the war and the conditions, etc." are not worth a brass farthing.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm

It is the duty of every socialist to conduct propaganda to facilitate civil war. It is the duty of every socialist to raise high the banner of civil war.



War is no chance happening, no “sin” as is thought by Christian priests (who are no whit behind the opportunists in preaching patriotism, humanity and peace), but an inevitable stage of capitalism, just as legitimate a form of the capitalist way of life as peace is. Present-day war is a people’s war. What follows from this truth is not that we must swim with the “popular” current of chauvinism, but that the class contradictions dividing the nations continue to exist in wartime and manifest themselves in conditions of war. Refusal to serve with the forces, anti-war strikes, etc., are sheer nonsense, the miserable and cowardly dream of an unarmed struggle against the armed bourgeoisie, vain yearning for the destruction of capitalism without a desperate civil war or a series of wars. It is the duty of every socialist to conduct propaganda of the class struggle, in the army as well; work directed towards turning a war of the nations into civil war is the only socialist activity in the era of an imperialist armed conflict of the bourgeoisie of all nations. Down with mawkishly sanctimonious and fatuous appeals for “peace at any price"! Let us raise high the banner of civil war! Imperialism sets at hazard the fate of European culture: this war will soon be followed by others, unless there are a series of successful revolutions. The story about this being the “last war” is a hollow and dangerous fabrication, a piece of philistine “mythology”(as Golos aptly puts it). The proletarian banner of civil war will rally together, not only hundreds of thousands of class-conscious workers but millions of semi-proletarians and petty bourgeois, now deceived by chauvinism, but whom the horrors of war will not only intimidate and depress, but also enlighten, teach, arouse, organise, steel and prepare for the war against the bourgeoisie of their “own” country and “foreign” countries. And this will take place, if not today, then tomorrow, if not during the war, then after it, if not in this war then in the next one.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/oct/x01.htm

Civil war is the natural extension and intensification of the class struggle. Those who denounce civil war RENOUNCE THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!



Secondly, civil war is just as much a war as any other. He who accepts the class struggle cannot fail to accept civil wars, which in every class society are the natural, and under certain conditions inevitable, continuation, development and intensification of the class struggle. That has been confirmed by every great revolution. To repudiate civil war, or to forget about it, is to fall into extreme opportunism and renounce the socialist revolution.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/miliprog/i.htm

MEGAMANTROTSKY
7th August 2012, 04:43
Oh, for goodness' sake! This schlock-laden format again?

Why on earth do you choose to frame your opinions in such a way? That is, why is it nothing but blocks of quoted text and bold font on the rare occasion that you offer your own words? I don't know about anyone else, but for me it immediately turns me off of what you may have to say. It is simply numbing to the brain and irritating to the eye. Incredibly so, in fact.

This is not to mention your "pamphleteering" style is simply unnecessary. Last I checked, Revleft is already a forum for revolutionary leftists. There is no need to convince us of revolution again. Why don't you simply provide the link and say, in your own words, why you think it still holds contemporary significance? It is as if you are whipping our faces with a wet towel in an attempt to convince us that it is wet.

And to make matters worse, your style of expression reminds me very much of a certain misguided fellow (http://www.timecube.com/). I encourage you to take a look at what he has written and compare it to your own. I'm convinced that you'll find more similarities than you may be willing to accept.

Seriously. Enough already!

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 04:51
Seriously. Enough already!

The Western so-called "Left" can't stand the words of Lenin. These radiKKKals can't stand Lenin's uncompromising attack on the forces of social-chauvinism and opportunism (aka Social-Fascism). They immediately recognize it as an attack on themselves, on their phony radiKKKalism, on their ridiculously held identity as "revolutionary socialists."

They know what Lenin is doing, and they beg for mercy!

Per Levy
7th August 2012, 05:15
The Western so-called "Left" can't stand the words of Lenin. These radiKKKals can't stand Lenin's uncompromising attack on the forces of social-chauvinism and opportunism (aka Social-Fascism). They immediately recognize it as an attack on themselves, on their phony radiKKKalism, on their ridiculously held identity as "revolutionary socialists."

hey nice anti-semitic propaganda poster you have there as your avatar, mr western radikkkal. actual "megamantrotsky" was critiziing you presentation and your lack of own words, cause the stuff you actually wrote and didnt copy/paste is nothing else then slogan shouting. and i have to agree with that. your whole representaion is offturning.


They know what Lenin is doing, and they beg for mercy!

are you trying to be a comedian? cause thats funny.

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 05:32
hey nice anti-semitic propaganda poster you have there as your avatar

lol

The White Nationalist "Left" is grasping at straws now.

DasFapital
7th August 2012, 05:43
nice job inserting KKK into radicals. I have never seen that gimmick before.

Ocean Seal
7th August 2012, 06:01
The Western so-called "Left" can't stand the words of Lenin. These radiKKKals can't stand Lenin's uncompromising attack on the forces of social-chauvinism and opportunism (aka Social-Fascism). They immediately recognize it as an attack on themselves, on their phony radiKKKalism, on their ridiculously held identity as "revolutionary socialists."

They know what Lenin is doing, and they beg for mercy!
Dude you fo real?

Per Levy
7th August 2012, 06:05
lol

The White Nationalist "Left" is grasping at straws now.

oh how cute, and its not a strawman, i just looked at your avatar picture a little bit closer and in a bigger resolution, a "caricature" of trotsky with all the jewish stereotypes in it + the "caricature" shows trotsky as a monster. wow why dont you just take one of the anti-bolshevik posters of the white army, they are just as offencive. not to mention that the monster has a second head, the head of hitler, wich is also in very poor taste. btw, if you hat "social-fascism" so much, why do you have a quote of guy in your signature that embraced the "social-fascists" with the popular front tactic? isnt that a bit hypocritcal? but i know facts dont matter for our first world radikkkal, aint that true.

also, wanna adress the critique of your representation style? or are just more "hurperdur western radikkkal hur lenin quote mining dur". btw if you wernt such a elitist jerk who is talking down to pretty much anyone here, plus insulting anyone who isnt like you, you would have much more interesting discussions going on, just saying.

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 06:38
not to mention that the monster has a second head, the head of hitler, wich is also in very poor taste.

The political cartoon is making a point. That you don't like it doesn't matter to me.


btw, if you hat "social-fascism" so much, why do you have a quote of guy in your signature that embraced the "social-fascists" with the popular front tactic?There are a lot of reasons. For the most part, it was done to facilitate the extermination of the Hitlerite menace. The parties of the West, most of which only accepted the Comintern line reluctantly, all too easily embraced the new line. While these parties helped facilitate the entry of their own imperialist governments into WW2, they basically betrayed their duties to their own working class. Defense of the USSR became more important than turning the new European wars into civil wars, and turning the American-Japanese inter-imperialist rivalry into a civil war.

This was a mistake. One that is understandable at the time, but has since completely and utterly warped the potential for revolution in the imperialist countries.

The condition of the defense of the USSR no longer applies, obviously.

maskerade
7th August 2012, 07:32
I keep getting the suspicion that revleft is just an elaborate and ongoing revolutionary roleplaying game.

agnixie
7th August 2012, 13:41
The political cartoon is making a point. That you don't like it doesn't matter to me.


The point it's making is "JUICE!!!!!"

Fuck off

Positivist
7th August 2012, 14:40
Lets just get one thing straight first, western "radikkkals(?)" are not a homogenuous group.

cynicles
7th August 2012, 14:59
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