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Fight Social-Fascism
2nd August 2012, 18:09
Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie's fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc.

It has become evident to me that most of the First-World "Left" is in a total and complete military alliance with the forces of US imperialism. Only a handful of groups in the US take even the semblance of a principled position on the most heinous and destructive force in all of human history.

Lenin, in his pamphlet Imperialism and the Split in Socialism, states that the Social-Democratic forces in Europe operating during the First World War were a part of the Labor Aristocracy, and working in direct service as active agents of the imperialist powers. To quote Lenin:


The prospect of partitioning China elicited from Hobson the following economic appraisal: “The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera, and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods: all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and semi-manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa.... We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of Great Powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. Let those who would scout such a theory [he should have said: prospect] as undeserving of consideration examine the economic and social condition of districts in Southern England today which are already reduced to this condition, and reflect upon the vast extension of such a system which might be rendered feasible by the subjection of China to the economic control of similar groups of financiers, investors [rentiers] and political and business officials, draining the greatest potential reservoir of profit the world has ever known, in order to consume it in Europe. The situation is far too complex, the play of world forces far too incalculable, to render this or any other single interpretation of the future very probable; but the influences which govern the imperialism of Western Europe today are moving in this direction, and, unless counteracted or diverted, make towards such a consummation.”

Hobson, the social-liberal, fails to see that this “counteraction” can be offered only by the revolutionary proletariat and only in the form of a social revolution. But then he is a social-liberal! Nevertheless, as early as 1902 he had an excellent insight into the meaning and significance of a “United States of Europe” (be it said for the benefit of Trotsky the Kautskyite!) and of all that is now being glossed over by the hypocritical Kautskyites of various countries, namely, that the opportunists (social-chauvinists) are working hand in glove with the imperialist bourgeoisie precisely towards creating an imperialist Europe on the backs of Asia and Africa, and that objectively the opportunists are a section of the petty bourgeoisie and of a certain strata of the working class who have been bribed out of imperialist superprofits and converted to watchdogs of capitalism and corruptors of the labour movement.

Lenin further goes on to state that our revolution is a victory over the forces of opportunism who are acting in the service of imperialism.



The proletariat is the child of capitalism—of world capitalism, and not only of European capitalism, or of imperialist capitalism. On a world scale, fifty years sooner or fifty years later—measured on a world scale, this is a minor point—the “proletariat” of course “will be” united, and revolutionary Social-Democracy will “inevitably” be victorious within it. But that is not the point, Messrs. Kautskyites. The point is that at the present time, in the imperialist countries of Europe, you are fawning on the opportunists, who are alien to the proletariat as a class, who are the servants, the agents of the bourgeoisie and the vehicles of its influence, and unless the labour movement rids itself of them, it will remain a bourgeois labour movement. By advocating “unity” with the opportunists, with the Legiens and Davids, the Plekhanovs, the Chkhenkelis and Potresovs, etc., you are, objectively, defending the enslavement of the workers by the imperialist bourgeoisie with the aid of its best agents in the labour movement. The victory of revolutionary Social-Democracy on a world scale is absolutely inevitable, only it is moving and will move, is proceeding and will proceed, against you, it will be a victory over you.

Fighting toward the victory of our revolution requires an absolutely ruthless war on the opportunist agents of imperialism. Lenin says the misleaders of the workers must be systematically exposed. To this extent, Lenin declares that the ONLY MARXIST LINE IN THE LABOR MOVEMENT IS TO EXPOSE OPPORTUNISTS.



Neither we nor anyone else can calculate precisely what portion of the proletariat is following and will follow the social-chauvinists and opportunists. This will be revealed only by the struggle, it will be definitely decided only by the socialist revolution. But we know for certain that the “defenders of the fatherland” in the imperialist war represent only a minority. And it is therefore our duty, if we wish to remain socialists to go down lower and deeper, to the real masses; this is the whole meaning and the whole purport of the struggle against opportunism. By exposing the fact that the opportunists and social-chauvinists are in reality betraying and selling the interests of the masses, that they are defending the temporary privileges of a minority of the workers, that they are the vehicles of bourgeois ideas and influences, that they are really allies and agents of the bourgeoisie, we teach the masses to appreciate their true political interests, to fight for socialism and for the revolution through all the long and painful vicissitudes of imperialist wars and imperialist armistices.

The only Marxist line in the world labour movement is to explain to the masses the inevitability and necessity of breaking with opportunism, to educate them for revolution by waging a relentless struggle against opportunism, to utilise the experience of the war to expose, not conceal, the utter vileness of national-liberal labour politics.

It is my contention, ever since the Comintern changed their line to facilitate the war on the Hitlerite menace, that this Truth has been systematically concealed from revolutionary youth in the West. Western radicals are taught a watered down version of radical theory, even by so-called Marxist-Leninist organizations.

Lenin further states that the only proper course of action for any revolutionary in an imperialist country is to systematically work toward turning the imperialist war into civil war. ONLY THIS LINE can lead to Revolution. Calling for Revolution during an imperialist war IS calling for CIVIL WAR.



This is an instance of high-flown phraseology with which Trotsky always justifies opportunism. A “revolutionary struggle against the war” is merely an empty and meaning less exclamation, something at which the heroes of the Second International excel, unless it means revolutionary action against one’s own government even in wartime. One has only to do some thinking in order to understand this. Wartime revolutionary action against one’s own government indubitably means, not only desiring its defeat, but really facilitating such a defeat. ("Discerning reader”: note that this does not mean “blowing up bridges”, organising unsuccessful strikes in the war industries, and ·in general helping the government defeat the revolutionaries.)

The phrase-bandying Trotsky has completely lost his bearings on a simple issue. It seems to him that to desire Russia’s defeat means desiring the victory of Germany. (Bukvoyed and Semkovsky give more direct expression to the “thought”, or rather want of thought, which they share with Trotsky.) But Trotsky regards this as the “methodology of social-patriotism"! To help people that are unable to think for themselves, the Berne resolution (Sotsial Demokrat No. 40) made it clear, that in all imperialist countries the proletariat must now desire the defeat of its own government. Bukvoyed and Trotsky preferred to avoid this truth, while Semkovsky (an opportunist who is more useful to the working class than all the others, thanks to his naively frank reiteration of bourgeois wisdom) blurted out the following: “This is nonsense, because either Germany or Russia can win” (Izvestia No. 2).

Take the example of the Paris Commune. France was defeated by Germany but the workers were defeated by Bismarck and Thiers! Had Bukvoyed and Trotsky done a little thinking, they would have realised that they have adopted the viewpoint on the war held by governments and the bourgeoisie, i.e., that they cringe to the “political methodology of social-patriotism”, to use Trotsky’s pretentious language.

A revolution in wartime means civil war; the conversion of a war between governments into a civil war is, on the one hand, facilitated by military reverses ("defeats") of governments; on the other hand, one cannot actually strive for such a conversion without thereby facilitating defeat.

The reason why the chauvinists (including the Organising Committee and the Chkheidze group) repudiate the defeat “slogan” is that this slogan alone implies a consistent call for revolutionary action against one’s own government in wartime. Without such action, millions of ultra-revolutionary phrases such as a war against “the war and the conditions, etc." are not worth a brass farthing

This reality is systematically hidden from Western radicals, who are instead told the most outlandish lies imaginable.

What I am asking the people here for, are books documenting the treacherous, imperialist opportunist "Left" around the world, but particularly Western Europe and America. Does anyone know of any material like this?

Fight Social-Fascism
2nd August 2012, 20:47
I heard the book How the IMF Broke Greece: Role of the Fake Left by V. N. Gelis is a good book documenting the role Social-Fascism plays in Greece, but I have no read it myself, only reviews.

I heard good things about The Cultural Cold War: The CIA and the World of Arts and Letters by France Stonor Saunders as well.

Another other material?

Teacher
4th August 2012, 01:31
I would be interested in more works in this vein as well. Sad to see this hasn't got any replies but what can you expect?

Die Neue Zeit
4th August 2012, 16:29
There is a Third Period Marxist-Leninists usergroup you might wish to consider joining for further discussion.

Geiseric
4th August 2012, 16:46
This policy taken as we see now was a mistake and a failure, a united front with the social dems (once they adopted the KPD's position unconditionally) would have prevented Hitler from rising to power. stalinist ultra leftism specifically was the worst short period of policy making from comintern, who were desperate to seem revolutionary after the period of menshevism forced on china's CP (which ALSO failed miserably). Social Fascism is wrong, basically because the conscious working class supported SPD, knowing they were opportunists, but at the same time the KPD for years was basically SPD's cheerleader, untill the "second period of imperialist revival" was over.

Die Neue Zeit
4th August 2012, 17:03
I'd like to correct both the OP and Broody on this. First, there may or may not necessarily be such a phenomenon as Social Fascism, but there is such a thing as Social Corporatism. Second, a united front with soc dems is only possible if they aren't already coddling up to some anti-communist "democratic front" with mainstream lib and con parties.

Per Levy
4th August 2012, 17:21
@op: what do you think of stalins poilcy of the popular fronts? i mean before that was considered a great idea, stalin spoke of social-fascism then a couple of year later he wanted the communists partys of the world to ally themselfs with these social-fascists, wich made those communists partys, who were allready pretty reformist, a part of the bourgeois gouverments?

Tim Cornelis
4th August 2012, 17:29
There is no such thing as "social-fascism."

Fight Social-Fascism
4th August 2012, 22:50
I would be interested in more works in this vein as well. Sad to see this hasn't got any replies but what can you expect?

Note: none of the responses even attempt to answer the question. The Western so-called "Left" hates the revolutionary war on opportunism waged by the Bolsheviks. They want nothing to do with exposing opportunism around the world, because it would mean exposing themselves.

There is another pamphlet, by Earl Browder, called The meaning of social-fascism: its historical and theoretical background, that is a decent overview. The PLP also hosts the great work of R. Palme Dutt, FASCISM AND SOCIAL REVOLUTION. A Study of the economics and Politics of the Extreme Stages of Capitalism in Decay. This work is invaluable, but dated as well.

However, the theory of Social-Fascism (that is, Lenin's ruthless war on opportunism and social-chauvinism) paves the way for re-interpreting a wide body of literature exposing the nature of the Western so-called "Left." Many works have been written exposing radiKKKals who are conscious and unconscious agents of imperialism, but never in the proper theoretical context for building up a revolutionary theory to fight "Left" social-chauvinism and opportunism.

Instead, the "Left" is infested with opportunist and social-chauvinist calls of "Left-Unity," usually screamed the loudest by the most conscious and active agents of imperialism. People new to the "Left" falsely wonder why all these "Left" parties can't unite for the "revolution" all these "Left" parties claim to want. No one is there to tell them these "Left" parties are the active agents of imperialism, are the most slavish and disgusting servants of Monopoly Finance Capital, and active allies of Hitlerite Fascism. No one is around to explain to them the decades long war against opportunism waged by the party of Lenin.

Fight Social-Fascism
4th August 2012, 23:23
Leninism is the spirit of irreconciability with opportunism and social-chauvinism. Leninism is a struggle against this evil.



A line of action in an internationalist, proletarian, and revolutionary spirit is indicated here with perfect clarity, a clarity that cannot be improved within the limits of legality.

Then war broke out—the very kind of war and exactly along the lines foreseen at Basic. The official parties acted in an absolutely contrary spirit: not like internationalists but like nationalists; not in a proletarian but in a bourgeois way; not in a revolutionary direction but in the direction of ultra-opportunism. If we say to the workers that this was downright treachery to the socialist cause, we thereby reject all evasions and subterfuges, all sophisms a la Kautsky and Axelrod. We clearly indicate the extent and the power of the evil; we clearly call for a struggle against that evil, not for conciliation with it.

What about the majority resolution? It does not contain a word of censure for the traitors, or a single word about opportunism, but merely a simple repetition of the ideas expressed in the Basle resolution! One might think that nothing serious has happened, that an accidental and minor error has been made which calls merely for a repetition of the old decision, or that a disagreement has arisen which is inconsequent and not of principle, and can be papered over!

This is downright mockery of the International’s decisions, mockery of the workers. As a matter of fact, the social-chauvinists wish nothing else but a simple repetition of the old decisions, if only nothing changes in practice. This is, in fact, a tacit and hypocritically disguised amnesty for the social-chauvinist adherents of most of the present parties. We know that there are many who would follow this path and confine themselves to several Left phrases. However, their road is not for us. We have followed a different road, and will go on following it; we want to help the working-class movement and the actual construction of a working class party, in the spirit of irreconcilability towards opportunism and social-chauvinism.

Lenin says this is NOT A "MERE" THEORETICAL DIFFEENCE. Lenin commands us to substitute the weapon of criticism with the criticism of weapons. This is necessary, to educate the proletariat who will lead them to Revolution in their march. Calls for "Left-Unity" are calls for counter-revolution.



The proletariat's conquest of political power does not put a stop to its class struggle against the bourgeoisie; on the contrary, it renders that struggle most widespread, intense and ruthless. Owing to the extreme intensification of the struggle all groups, parties and leaders in the working-class movement who have fully or partly adopted the stand of reformism, of the "Centre", etc., inevitably side with the bourgeoisie or join the waverers, or else (what is the most dangerous of all) land in the ranks of the unreliable friends of the victorious proletariat. Hence, preparation for the dictatorship of the proletariat calls, not only for an intensification of the struggle against reformist and "Centrist" tendencies, but also for a change in the character of that struggle. The struggle cannot be restricted to explaining the erroneousness of these tendencies; it must unswervingly and ruthlessly expose any leader of the working-class movement who reveals such tendencies, for otherwise the proletariat cannot know who it will march with into the decisive struggle against the bourgeoisie. This struggle is such that at any moment it may -- and actually does, as experience has shown -- substitute criticism with weapons for the weapon of criticism. Any inconsistency or weakness in exposing those who show themselves to be reformists or "Centrists" means directly increasing the danger of the power of the proletariat being overthrown by the bourgeoisie, which tomorrow will utilise for the counter-revolution that which short-sighted people today see merely as "theoretical difference".

Tim Cornelis
4th August 2012, 23:23
Note: none of the responses even attempt to answer the question. The Western so-called "Left" hates the revolutionary war on opportunism waged by the Bolsheviks. They want nothing to do with exposing opportunism around the world, because it would mean exposing themselves.

There is another pamphlet, by Earl Browder, called The meaning of social-fascism: its historical and theoretical background, that is a decent overview. The PLP also hosts the great work of R. Palme Dutt, FASCISM AND SOCIAL REVOLUTION. A Study of the economics and Politics of the Extreme Stages of Capitalism in Decay. This work is invaluable, but dated as well.

However, the theory of Social-Fascism (that is, Lenin's ruthless war on opportunism and social-chauvinism) paves the way for re-interpreting a wide body of literature exposing the nature of the Western so-called "Left." Many works have been written exposing radiKKKals who are conscious and unconscious agents of imperialism, but never in the proper theoretical context for building up a revolutionary theory to fight "Left" social-chauvinism and opportunism.

Instead, the "Left" is infested with opportunist and social-chauvinist calls of "Left-Unity," usually screamed the loudest by the most conscious and active agents of imperialism. People new to the "Left" falsely wonder why all these "Left" parties can't unite for the "revolution" all these "Left" parties claim to want. No one is there to tell them these "Left" parties are the active agents of imperialism, are the most slavish and disgusting servants of Monopoly Finance Capital, and active allies of Hitlerite Fascism. No one is around to explain to them the decades long war against opportunism waged by the party of Lenin.

You're nuts. I'm not sure if this qualifies as flaming, but since you do not substantiate your claims, that's all I can say. You have these pre-recorded phrases that you play over and over again, that doesn't help either.

Per Levy
4th August 2012, 23:38
these "Left" parties are the active agents of imperialism, are the most slavish and disgusting servants of Monopoly Finance Capital, and active allies of Hitlerite Fascism

you do know that the nsdap kind of fascism doesnt exist anywhere in the world right now(not to mention that hitler is dead since quite some tim) and i dont know of any place where a "hitlerite fascism" would be on the rise. so it would be kinda strange for left partys to ally themselfs with somethign that doesnt even exist. not to mention that a big chunk of the stuff you post here seems to only exist in your head.


However, the theory of Social-Fascism (that is, Lenin's ruthless war on opportunism and social-chauvinism)

yeah stalins social fascism doesnt equal the actual social chauvinists of the first world war. not to mention that you ilk is filled with opportunists, but hey see yourself as holy and pure if it makes you feel better.

Fight Social-Fascism
4th August 2012, 23:52
I've heard Barricades in Berlin by Klaus Neukrantz, is supposed to be a good novel, demonstrating how the treacherous SPD sabotaged a May Day march.

Per Levy
5th August 2012, 09:51
I've heard Barricades in Berlin by Klaus Neukrantz, is supposed to be a good novel, demonstrating how the treacherous SPD sabotaged a May Day march.

wich proves that DNZ's beloved spd was class treacherous party, wich was known since ww1(and probally even before that). it doesnt prove that social-fascism exists though. but thanks for book, i was actually looking for a book like this.

Welshy
5th August 2012, 10:01
wich proves that DNZ's beloved spd was class treacherous party, wich was known since ww1(and probally even before that). it doesnt prove that social-fascism exists though. but thanks for book, i was actually looking for a book like this.

In all fairness, DNZ "loves" pre-war SPD. Either way that was an unnecessary potshot at DNZ.

Lokomotive293
6th August 2012, 10:22
I don't think you can mix together Lenin's (correct) analysis of opportunism and social-chauvinism and the theory of social-fascism just like that. If you compare the quote from Stalin with the quotes from Lenin you posted here, you will realize that the two are talking about two completely different things. Of course it is absolutely neccessary to fight opportunism and social-chauvinism, but that doesn't mean social democracy and fascism are "twins", that there is no difference between them. They are two completely different phenomenons. It also doesn't mean that you can't work together with social democrats, or even parts of the bourgeoisie, when it is neccessary, especially to fight against fascism. The theory of social-fascism made the working class movement in Germany blind against the rise of "real" fascism, which was then able to destroy almost the whole working class movement for years to come. The theory of social fascism is wrong and dangerous, and the Comintern abandoned it for good reason. I suggest you read Georgi Dimitroff's analysis of fascism.

blake 3:17
6th August 2012, 22:04
Browder against opportunism?

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 05:26
I don't think you can mix together Lenin's (correct) analysis of opportunism and social-chauvinism and the theory of social-fascism just like that.

Except they are the same thing.

The opportunists and social-chauvinists work hand-in-glove with the imperialist bourgeois to murder and steal from the oppressed nations, and to forestall the proletarian-revolution. They are the watchdogs of capitalism, corrupters of the labor movement, and enablers of fascism. They both have the same masters. They are twins.


If you compare the quote from Stalin with the quotes from Lenin you posted here, you will realize that the two are talking about two completely different things.Except they are the exact same thing. Any honest reading will reveal that.


Of course it is absolutely neccessary to fight opportunism and social-chauvinism, but that doesn't mean social democracy and fascism are "twins", that there is no difference between them.Yeah, they are (slightly) different. Fascism is just Social-Democracy with the mask off.


They are two completely different phenomenons.Except they are not.


It also doesn't mean that you can't work together with social democratsYes it does.



Then war broke out—the very kind of war and exactly along the lines foreseen at Basil. The official parties acted in an absolutely contrary spirit: not like internationalists but like nationalists; not in a proletarian but in a bourgeois way; not in a revolutionary direction but in the direction of ultra-opportunism. If we say to the workers that this was downright treachery to the socialist cause, we thereby reject all evasions and subterfuges, all sophisms a la Kautsky and Axeirod. We clearly indicate the extent and the power of the evil; we clearly call for a struggle against that evil, not for conciliation with it.



This is downright mockery of the International’s decisions, mockery of the workers. As a matter of fact, the social-chauvinists wish nothing else but a simple repetition of the old decisions, if only nothing changes in practice. This is, in fact, a tacit and hypocritically disguised amnesty for the social-chauvinist adherents of most of the present parties. We know that there are many who would follow this path and confine themselves to several Left phrases. However, their road is not for us. We have followed a different road, and will go on following it; we want to help the working-class movement and the actual construction of a working class party, in the spirit of irreconcilability towards opportunism and social-chauvinism.

Geiseric
7th August 2012, 06:38
Lenin entered a front with the mensheviks and SRs against the Tsarists, so he was an advocate of united fronts against the united reaction. Eventually the SRs and right wing mensheviks pretty much were as bad as the whites, but it would of been stupidity for him and trotsky to refuse a united front when the whites tried their first coup before october.

Lokomotive293
7th August 2012, 08:11
The opportunists and social-chauvinists work hand-in-glove with the imperialist bourgeois to murder and steal from the oppressed nations, and to forestall the proletarian-revolution.

Yup.


They are the watchdogs of capitalism, corrupters of the labor movement, and enablers of fascism. They both have the same masters. They are twins.

Social democracy is not fascism. Fascism is, as Dimitroff said, the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinist and most imperialist elements of finance capital. It's a new quality of Imperialism, one that only comes to power when there is no other way to maintain capitalism. If you look at the history of fascism, only a fool would say fascism and social democracy are twins.
What you are proposing is ultra-left sectarianism. You claim Lenin would be on your side, but he wrote a whole book against that. Sure, he couldn't know about fascism, but it's a good read nevertheless.


The more powerful enemy can be vanquished only by exerting the utmost effort, and by the most thorough, careful, attentive, skilful and obligatory use of any, even the smallest, rift between the enemies, any conflict of interests among the bourgeoisie of the various countries and among the various groups or types of bourgeoisie within the various countries, and also by taking advantage of any, even the smallest, opportunity of winning a mass ally, even though this ally is temporary, vacillating, unstable, unreliable and conditional. Those who do not understand this reveal a failure to understand even the smallest grain of Marxism, of modern scientific socialism in general. Those who have not proved in practice, over a fairly considerable period of time and in fairly varied political situations, their ability to apply this truth in practice have not yet learned to help the revolutionary class in its struggle to emancipate all toiling humanity from the exploiters.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch08.htm

Also, read Dimitroff:

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm#s7
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/unity.htm

Fight Social-Fascism
7th August 2012, 08:24
The more powerful enemy can be vanquished only by exerting the utmost effort, and by the most thorough, careful, attentive, skilful and obligatory use of any, even the smallest, rift between the enemies, any conflict of interests among the bourgeoisie of the various countries and among the various groups or types of bourgeoisie within the various countries, and also by taking advantage of any, even the smallest, opportunity of winning a mass ally, even though this ally is temporary, vacillating, unstable, unreliable and conditional. Those who do not understand this reveal a failure to understand even the smallest grain of Marxism, of modern scientific socialism in general. Those who have not proved in practice, over a fairly considerable period of time and in fairly varied political situations, their ability to apply this truth in practice have not yet learned to help the revolutionary class in its struggle to emancipate all toiling humanity from the exploiters.


http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch08.htm


The most disgusting opportunists in America use this very quote, completely ripped out its context, to justify their collaboration with the Democratic Party (and hence, their collaboration with the chief forces of reaction in the Labor Aristocracy, and imperialism).

Never, for instance, would the CPUSA/FRSO/CC-DS/etc types use this to justify attacking the forces of social-chauvinism and opportunism by (temporarily) aligning themselves with right-wing anti-imperialist elements (which most certainly do exist). Never would they use this quote to divide and conqueror segments of the Democratic Party internally (they are steadfastly loyal to the most reactionary elements in the party).

No, this quote is used to justify total abandonment of the war on opportunism, and in this regard, these forces become the primary target of attack for all those who consider themselves real revolutionaries.

Lokomotive293
7th August 2012, 09:59
The most disgusting opportunists in America use this very quote, completely ripped out its context, to justify their collaboration with the Democratic Party (and hence, their collaboration with the chief forces of reaction in the Labor Aristocracy, and imperialism).

Never, for instance, would the CPUSA/FRSO/CC-DS/etc types use this to justify attacking the forces of social-chauvinism and opportunism by (temporarily) aligning themselves with right-wing anti-imperialist elements (which most certainly do exist). Never would they use this quote to divide and conqueror segments of the Democratic Party internally (they are steadfastly loyal to the most reactionary elements in the party).

No, this quote is used to justify total abandonment of the war on opportunism, and in this regard, these forces become the primary target of attack for all those who consider themselves real revolutionaries.

I suggest you read the quote in context, then, and stop making assumptions. Nowhere does Lenin (and nor do I) talk about abandoning the fight against opportunism, but you have to realize that there is a difference between fighting opportunism, and sectarianism. I am not saying "Support the Social Democrats", I'm advocating for united action with them (without giving up organizational and ideological independence and the fight against opportunism) whenever it is possible, useful and neccessary, and especially when it comes to the fight against fascism.