Famous Shtalleen quote

[Eastside Revolt]

"We don't let our enemies have guns, so why would we let them have ideas?"

If Stalin were still alive today, I'd like to ask him first, why does he see the people as his enemies, and second, why he calls himself a socialist.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

the name is "Stalin" <_<

And the quote makes no sense in the context you used it in.It goes:"Ideas are far more powerful then guns,we don&#39;t let our enemies have guns,so why should we let them have ideas?"


If Stalin were still alive today, I&#39;d like to ask him first, why does he see the people as his enemies

When did he say that his enemies were the people?He never said that.


and second, why he calls himself a socialist.

Maybe because he followed the line of Marxism-Leninism in the Soviet Union.

[Saint-Just]

It is a Leninist statement. Stalin is saying that bourgeois ideas are dangerous. He is talking about class struggle and Lenin&#39;s idea that class struggle continues after the revolution and so the working class must have a monopoly on ideas and power.

In bourgeois liberalism they say they allow the free flow of ideas, you subscribe to the liberal, western bourgeois view of society. That is capitalist society allows for freedom of ideas. This is wrong, freedom of ideas is something that is subject to class struggle. In bourgeois society it is bourgeois ideas that prevail due to the economic base (the means of production distribution and exchange) being in the possession of the international bourgeoisie. The economic base dictates the superstructure of our society, it dictates what we learn, our social values, our economic relations and so forth. Under this system there is not freedom of ideas, bourgeois ideas prevail. When socialist modes of production exist there is not freedom of ideas, working class ideas prevail, however, the working class in creating a class society without these class antagonisms will have a state where there is no ruling class and there will be freedom of ideas; this is communism. These are Marxist ideas.

redcanada, I think you should learn more before you make these kinds of assertions. I think you should ask questions beforehand.

[Eastside Revolt]

Yes I should ask more questions.

I am too much of an idealist to be a Marxist. As much as I agree with his economic philosophy. To me, it seems someone has failed their revolution if class struggle has not been destroyed to the point where you have to act as capitalists do when dealing with conflicting ideals.

[Saint-Just]

To me, it seems someone has failed their revolution if class struggle has not been destroyed to the point where you have to act as capitalists do when dealing with conflicting ideals.

But it takes time to win the class struggle and destroy all class antagonisms.

[Morpheus]

If bourgeois ideas are to be suppressed then the idea of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" is to be suppressed because it is a bourgeois idea, invented by bourgeois revolutionaries in the French Revolution. Neither Leninists nor Liberals believe in real free speech, the biggest difference between them is that the Marxist-Leninist are honest about suppressing opposition while the Liberals pretend to implement free speech while actually destroying it.