Vertigo is named 'greatest film of all time'

[x359594]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19078948

[human strike]

Have these people not heard of They Live?

[DrStrangelove]

Have these people not heard of They Live?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum." - 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper

I don't see how anyone couldn't consider that genius film as the greatest of all time. But, Vertigo is a good film I guess.;)

[brengunn]

No, no, no. The greatest film of all time is Paths of Glory. Kubrick and Douglas at their best.

Well, at least it was'nt Avatar!

[DrStrangelove]

No, no, no. The greatest film of all time is Paths of Glory. Kubrick and Douglas at their best.

Well, at least it was'nt Avatar!

I actually really like Paths of Glory. It's probably my favorite Kubrick film. Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket get pretty close behind though.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Vertigo = greatest film of all time. Noted.

I don't like the fact that a bunch of critics can be the determiner of this statement. Great film though.

[DrStrangelove]

I personally don't think there can be a greatest movie ever made, in the same way there can't be a greatest book ever written or a greatest piece of music, etc. Personal opinions and subjective tastes and all that noise.

But I do like Vertigo.

[Kotze]

Why not directly link to Sight & Sound:

Nick James: Introduction (http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/polls-surveys/greatest-films-all-time-2012)
Given the dominance of electronic media, what became immediately apparent was that we would have to abandon the somewhat elitist exclusivity with which contributors to the poll had been chosen in the past and reach out to a much wider international group of commentators than before. We were also keen to include among them many critics who had established their careers online rather than purely in print.

To that end we approached more than 1,000 critics, programmers, academics, distributors, writers and other cinephiles, and received (in time for the deadline) precisely 846 top-ten lists that between them mention a total of 2,045 different films.

(...)

Each entry on each list counts as one vote for the film in question, so personal rankings within the top tens don’t matter.

Ian Christie: The Top 50 (http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/50-greatest-films-all-time)

[Spirit]

Well, I guess I'll have to watch it now :lol:

[brengunn]

I actually really like Paths of Glory. It's probably my favorite Kubrick film. Clockwork Orange and Full Metal Jacket get pretty close behind though.

Both great films but Full Metal Jacket was made in the wrong decade and suffered from being at the tail end of a million Viet Nam films. He should have made it in the 70's and left Barry Lyndon till the 80's. Clockwork is cool but its not much more than that.

Paths of Glory soars above everything else. The greatest anti-war statement on film. They should play this film to every kid signing up to the army.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Yeah, gonna have to watch it..a bit shoert on the Hitchcocks (Psycho, The Birds, Dial M and Rear Window ticked off so far).

The lists are always frustrating because they never include your favourite(s) or the onje you think of as the best...I mean, where's Kubrick? Where's Scorsese? Where's Transformers The Movie (1986)?

[human strike]

I personally don't think there can be a greatest movie ever made, in the same way there can't be a greatest book ever written or a greatest piece of music, etc. Personal opinions and subjective tastes and all that noise.

But I do like Vertigo.

One-dimensional bourgeois logic.

[piet11111]

One-dimensional bourgeois logic.

But it does have some truth to it if we where to poll the world population we might end up having justin bieber as the worlds greatest singer.
(cue apocalypse now "the horror the horror")

[Beeth]

I would rate classics like Ben hur, Casablanca etc. vertigo was an okay movie.

[coda]

interesting... I guess these 'top 10 lists' and 'best films' change with the times.

As far as Hitchcock films... "Psycho", "Rear Window", "North by Northwest" have always been deemed his top films, at least technically. Runners-up "Vertigo", "Rebecca" and "Strangers on a Train". Also noted was "Rope" for being filmed with few cuts and in a virtual real time. Hitch's own personal favorite "Shadow of a Doubt." All of his films are worth watching on a purely entertainment basis, besides viewing them aesthetically for the cutting edge film techniques he is known for.

[Aziz]

These films are always done by snobs no one I know would consider most films on any top ten list to be a true portrayal of what is broadly classed as a good film.

1. True Romance
2. Public enemies
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Godfather trilogy
5. The jerk
6. Scarface
7. Romanzo Criminale
8. Menace to society
9. HEAT
10. Gladiator

Come at me snobs.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Hitchcock thought Vertigo was a failure because it got luke-warm box-office for the time. In retrospect, he thought he went to abstract for that movie and it was a mistake to cast Stewart against type - and he hated Kim Novack (like he hated many women - at least he didn't try and destroy her career though like he tried with Tippi).

I think in terms of influence it's a fair choice for US movies. Where would Polanski and French films be without it? Academics and critics love it for a number of technical and thematic reasons and because they often mistake "dark" for "serious/important". But I do like the movie, it's got nice mood and atmosphere, Stewart is great as an obsessive asshole and the tension in the whole movie is just watching a train-wreak unfold - especially in the 2nd half. It's the suspese of "don't go in the haunted basement!" (actually: don't force that woman to have that makeover and then go up those haunted stairs) stretched over an hour or so.

[coda]

>>think in terms of influence it's a fair choice for US movies.<<<

It's a British poll.. which makes it even more curious. but yes, it seems a very 'American' movie, plot, characters, technicolor, etc.

I think he may have done a good job in wrecking Tippi's career. I can't recall anything else she did.

[blake 3:17]

Vertigo's a great film. The necrophilia dimension is much more disturbing than in Psycho.

As others have mentioned Rope is great -- a psychological and formal masterpiece. I think Frenzy, Hitchcock's second last film, is also brilliant.

[coda]

"Frenzy" is in my top ten Hitchcock films....unfortunately, it doesn't get a lot of love

[L.A.P.]

Academics and critics love it for a number of technical and thematic reasons and because they often mistake "dark" for "serious/important".

I know Slavoj Zizek was pretty fucking obsessed with Hitchcock for a while. Alfred Hitchcock was fond of Freud, his movies incorporate quite a few psychoanalytic themes.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Vertigo's a great film. The necrophilia dimension is much more disturbing than in Psycho.

As others have mentioned Rope is great -- a psychological and formal masterpiece. I think Frenzy, Hitchcock's second last film, is also brilliant.

Yeah I'd like to give Frenzy another look, it's been a long time and I think I may have only seen it once. I didn't hate it, but wasn't impressed with it -- I think after all this time I might see it differently. Even if I hate it, a bad Hitchcock is still more interesting than most mediocre movies of the same era.

I like Vertigo and really all the movies from that streak... Rear Window; Psycho; and North by Northwest is terrific pulp - made all the more fun watching with the knowledge that Carry Grant was on a prescription of LSD through most of the shoot. Strangers on a Train or Shadow of a Doubt I could watch anytime they come on.

I could name more, it's really just an impressive career. I recommend the Hitchcock/Truffaut book to anyone who likes his movies. I read it in a night, it's just a long interview (from a series of interviews) by Truffaut of Hitchcock and they go chronologically through all his films. Truffaut frequently argues with him; I think he tries to convince Hitchcock of auteur theory and how Hitchcock is a prime example.

I think he may have been filming Family Plot at the time, but I'm not certain if it was that late in his career. It's interesting to hear what he thinks of the films in retrospect; what worked and what didn't in his view. There's an image in the book of Hitchcock standing against a stack of film reels, each labeled with the title of one of his films and I think it reaches up to about his head.

[Comrades Unite!]

No, no, no. The greatest film of all time is Paths of Glory. Kubrick and Douglas at their best.

Well, at least it was'nt Avatar!

Hell yes!

However I would place Clockwork Orange at the forefront of Kubricks films followed by Paths and 2001.

Kubrick was a genius

[MrCool]

However I would place Clockwork Orange at the forefront of Kubricks films followed by Paths and 2001.

Kubricks best movies were A Clockwork Orange (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921/), Full Metal Jacket (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/), 2001: A Space Odyssey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/), Dr. Strangelove (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/), Paths of Glory (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050825/), and Shining (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/).


Kubrick was a genius
:thumbup1:

[coda]

<<Yeah I'd like to give Frenzy another look, it's been a long time and I think I may have only seen it once. I didn't hate it, but wasn't impressed with it -- I think after all this time I might see it differently. Even if I hate it, a bad Hitchcock is still more interesting than most mediocre movies of the same era. >

ahh, it's probably worth another look for fans and film buffs. It's not quintessential Hitchcock. I think it's an ode to his earlier films, as is most of his stuff; a return to Britain with London landmarks and an entirely British stage cast. It's his most violent and first R rated film. It very much has all the hallmarks of 70's crime genre (preoccupation with sex and serial killers) but with all the Hitchcockian twists minus the film tricks. And it's fun.

[Comrades Unite!]

Kubricks best movies were A Clockwork Orange (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066921/), Full Metal Jacket (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/), 2001: A Space Odyssey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/), Dr. Strangelove (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/), Paths of Glory (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050825/), and Shining (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/).


:thumbup1:

Very good profile pic you have their, The book of Clockwork is simply astonishing despite the fact that Burgess disapproves of it.

Kubrick was an extremely consistent director, he never lost his touch and went out with Eyes Wide Shut, a great film!
Also Barry Lyndon is also one of his best.

[human strike]

But it does have some truth to it if we where to poll the world population we might end up having justin bieber as the worlds greatest singer.
(cue apocalypse now "the horror the horror")

I meant what DrStrangelove was describing was one-dimensional bourgeois logic, not their post. There is, of course, a lot of truth in it.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Bullshit. That title either goes to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original, of course), or Good Burger.

[Beeth]

Does anyone here like oliver stone?

[L.A.P.]

I thought Natural Born Killers was a pretty fucking awesome movie, I loved watching the trippy and surreal elements while really stoned. I thought the storyline was okay but the way Stone shot it made the movie for me. Like that fucked up family sitcom scene, I thought that was cool. I also saw a picture of Stalin in the background of one of the scenes.

[cynicles]

These lists are bullshit. Most people will either list some slightly modified or completely copied list of 10 greatest over some need to to please the cultural snob harpies not because they have any actual meaning to them. Most people should be more honest about what they like and stop pretending as though they think some foreign film they never understood or some old movie that is 'approved' is their favourite film.

[Vanguard1917]

<<Yeah I'd like to give Frenzy another look, it's been a long time and I think I may have only seen it once. I didn't hate it, but wasn't impressed with it -- I think after all this time I might see it differently. Even if I hate it, a bad Hitchcock is still more interesting than most mediocre movies of the same era. >

ahh, it's probably worth another look for fans and film buffs. It's not quintessential Hitchcock. I think it's an ode to his earlier films, as is most of his stuff; a return to Britain with London landmarks and an entirely British stage cast. It's his most violent and first R rated film. It very much has all the hallmarks of 70's crime genre (preoccupation with sex and serial killers) but with all the Hitchcockian twists minus the film tricks. And it's fun.

It has some hilarious bits as well. That whole little side story with the detective and his culinary wife... I know the basic storyline is pretty gruesome, but i've always tended to see Frenzy as a black comedy of sorts. The shots of central London are great too - i think you maybe appreciate the film more as a Londoner.