Four sentenced to death over $2.6bn Iran bank fraud

[cynicles]

I guess Iran isn't all bad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19045737

[RedAnarchist]

Do you seriously think it is acceptable to execute someone for fraud?

[Red Banana]

Execution isn't the right answer but at least there's some kind of punishment being dealt out.

[RedHammer]

Do you seriously think it is acceptable to execute someone for fraud?

Yes, why not?

[cynicles]

Do you seriously think it is acceptable to execute someone for fraud?
Yes.

[Spirit]

The point of capital punishment eludes me. Why kill people? To send a message? Bullshit. You know very well that a great number of people wouldn't get the message even if it hit them in the head.

And more important, why give a state and the rulling class (which Iran has) the power to kill people according to it's laws? Who made those laws? What is the legitimacy of the lawmakers?

[Positivist]

The point of capital punishment eludes me. Why kill people? To send a message? Bullshit. You know very well that a great number of people wouldn't get the message even if it hit them in the head.

The threat of the death penalty does certainly send a message and one that will be received at the upper echelon of society like this. You are correct that capital punishment has not effectively diminished the rate at which crimes punishable by death are committed, but this is tied explicitly to class conditons or psychological disturbance (murder, serial killing.)

Only changing the conditions which compel the dispossessed to committee crime will eliminate it, just as only changing the conditions which result in the psychological disturbance of serial killers will eliminate them, but this is not the same as what is happening with these bankers.

These bankers are not compelled by insanity or poverty to act as they do, but rather they act out of greed (a compulsion, but not a compulsion that is on par with the two mentioned in my post above.) Greed can be suppressed if the greedy are intimidated, in a way that insanity and the effects of poverty cannot.

Of course, in the grand scheme of things we should aim for the destruction of any conditions were the crimes of these bankers could be performed, but in the mean time, punishing a couple Iranian bourgiose isn't going to illicit a tear in me.

[cynicles]

God, why can't you even enjoy a good hanging today without people getting all picky. If someone hung a monarch people would be coming out of the woodworks crying about it. Can't we all just enjoy for a second that the world is now short a few more bankers!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

God, why can't you even enjoy a good hanging today without people getting all picky. If someone hung a monarch people would be coming out of the woodworks crying about it. Can't we all just enjoy for a second that the world is now short a few more bankers!

You're enjoying seeing people hung by a state controlled by bourgeois, religious fanatics?

Right. :rolleyes:

[cynicles]

You're enjoying seeing people hung by a state controlled by bourgeois, religious fanatics?

Right. :rolleyes:
You're siding with capitalists that probably colluded with that same regime?

<insert patronizing eyeroll>

[piet11111]

Do you seriously think it is acceptable to execute someone for fraud?

What if it was a pension fund ?

[Igor]

You're siding with capitalists that probably colluded with that same regime?

<insert patronizing eyeroll>

You must have a really lovely view of the world if you either "side with people" or want them hanged.

[cynicles]

You must have a really lovely view of the world if you either "side with people" or want them hanged.

I was being sarcastic.

[Althusser]

Who's money was at stake here. People only get in real trouble for fraud when they cheat the ruling class. If it was a pension fund, I doubt there would be much of an uproar calling for execution. They're too busy stoning women and cutting the heads off of homosexuals.

The only "message sent" with such punishment is "don't cheat the ruling class."

[cynicles]

Documents were forged to get a big loan to by up privatized industries in a corrupt way with possible links to Ahmedinejad's party. Hardly something anyone should be losing sleep over, but a dead capitalist is a dead capitalist!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Documents were forged to get a big loan to by up privatized industries in a corrupt way with possible links to Ahmedinejad's party. Hardly something anyone should be losing sleep over, but a dead capitalist is a dead capitalist!

A dead capitalist is a dead capitalist, but a bourgeois class given support for state-sanctioned murder is a fucking nightmare scenario for the working class (who due to poverty are obviously more likely to be done for Murder and other serious crimes), for atheists in Iran and for the organised left.

Presumably then you support Mahmoud Ahmedinajad in Presidential elections cos, you know, the other candidates are neo-liberals and, you know, a defeated liberal is a defeated liberal right?

[cynicles]

A dead capitalist is a dead capitalist, but a bourgeois class given support for state-sanctioned murder is a fucking nightmare scenario for the working class (who due to poverty are obviously more likely to be done for Murder and other serious crimes), for atheists in Iran and for the organised left.

Presumably then you support Mahmoud Ahmedinajad in Presidential elections cos, you know, the other candidates are neo-liberals and, you know, a defeated liberal is a defeated liberal right?

We're presuming things? Can I presume you support the Saudi monarchy because of your opposition to the Iranian regime?

[bcbm]

i support the saudi monarchy but i have a hard time swallowing so much baying for blood. i understand it i mean i think about revenge against the rich constantly or whatever but the actual acts are disgusting and should not be tolerated by any seeking a true human community. death does nothing

[cynicles]

It scares the shit out of capitalists, it's cathartic and it's fewer capitalists to deal with. There will be people dying during a revolution, I'd just rather it be the rich.

[bcbm]

scaring the shit out of a few lowball capitalists in iran is nothing. catharsis is not worth another humans life. 'fewer to deal with' except the individuals are not the problem it is the system and the resources it has at its disposal exist with or without a few rolled heads. hell a bourgeois state is doing the execution, i hardly think it is weakening itself or class rule. there is a difference between people dying in a natural course of a major event and straight executions.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

We're presuming things? Can I presume you support the Saudi monarchy because of your opposition to the Iranian regime?

Are you here to contribute or just be a massive ass?


You're the one supporting state-sanctioned murder by the bourgeoisie.

[cynicles]

Are you here to contribute or just be a massive ass?


You're the one supporting state-sanctioned murder by the bourgeoisie.

Of the bourgeoisie, are you mad because I called you out for trying to presume I supported Ahmedinejad?

[Per Levy]

It scares the shit out of capitalists

doubtful, the ones who do stuff like this will just be more careful and/or bribe more gouvermment people so this wont happen again.


it's cathartic and it's fewer capitalists to deal with.

you can be sure about that these capitalists are allready replaced with others.


There will be people dying during a revolution, I'd just rather it be the rich.

true, but this is not a revolution this is a bourgeois state executing some people. also death penalty wont scare anyone, its been proven over and over again that death penalty wont lower crimes at all. all it does is giving bourgeois states another weapon againsts its opponents, that includes cappies that are to careless with their enrichment.

[Rss]

Class enemies killing each other. Not going to shed a single goddamn tear.

[Spirit]

Class enemies killing each other. Not going to shed a single goddamn tear.

I doubt anyone here is crying because the bourgeoise got killed for being thieves. But this is simply a question of giving power of capital punishment to the ruling class and if it's good or bad.

I still think it is bad and counterproductive. A few dead bourgeoise isn't going to change anything, but if the ruling class has the power of capital punishment, that can backfire and it can backfire very badly.

[Igor]

Class enemies killing each other. Not going to shed a single goddamn tear.

It's not like the class enemy uses capital punishment only on other bourgies, that's why we should be worried every time death sentence gets implemented by a capitalist state. This time maybe they killed off a bourgie, but they don't exactly dominate execution statistics anywhere.

[cynicles]

I doubt anyone here is crying because the bourgeoise got killed for being thieves. But this is simply a question of giving power of capital punishment to the ruling class and if it's good or bad.

Not for me it isn't, you can argue about whether it's bad or good, I agree it's bad, but for me it's about the pure enjoyment I get from seeing them get hauled off.



you can be sure about that these capitalists are allready replaced with others.

Your point?