Nirvana

[revolutionindia]

Friends
Life and death are but two commas in the infinite essay of the human spirit and the human spirit is like that object whose growth and splendour has no limit . In our present form as ignorant homo sapiens we have the appartaus but lack the knowledge to make sense of the world around us.

This knowldge though present in us needs to be brought out like a how a mirror which is clouded with dust needs to be cleaned.Over the ages people have forgotten how to clean the mirror of the mind.

The human brain has tremendous potential and within it lies buried the path to god realization.To attain nirvana one has to follow the policy of doing good and being good in our daily life with our conscience as the judge.

After one has led a good life and reached the age when he loses interest in worldly objects and gives up attachment He must renounce the world and take up yoga seriously

Upon doing advanced yoga he will reach a stage when he goes into samadhi and loses all consciousness and awareness about the surroundings and self and achieves god state .

This my friends is the simple path to nirvana
The highest ideal possible in a mans life
The next step in evolution
The purpose of being born
Very few people achieve nirvana but blessed are those who achieve this
This happens to be my goal to
Lets together bring nirvana to the entire human race

All opinions,replys,answers and feedback are welcomed

OOOOoooommmm

[Monty Cantsin]

You sound very fanatical about the idea of nirvana it’s kind of scary.

‘How a mirror which is clouded with dust needs to be cleaned.Over the ages people have forgotten how to clean the mirror of the mind.”

This statement is very true people have become closed into things that are not important; instead of developing relationships they develop dependences on television show. Instead of developing objective views on subjects people assume, simplify and make sweeping statements. (All of the above I have been guilty of to a degree)



But your path to Nirvana why is that the best path? Why is nirvana the best objective for someone? Why shouldn’t we all go off and start worshiping Dionysus or Loki?

[seen_che]

YES ! YES!
I totally agree I am a Buddhust but not´on paper.... but I will resin... . Cant we chatt and diccuss this???? I´ts wery intresting and a stimulation for the mind.....




(and I don´t think your fanatical)


OUMMMMMMMMM:...................................... ..............

[Danton]

Upon doing advanced yoga he will reach a stage when he goes into samadhi and loses all consciousness and awareness about the surroundings and self and achieves god state .


god state = insanity

[Rasta Sapian]

If you are referring to being at one with the universe, that would be zen, but this takes much thought on a higher level of meditation, and a physical balance!
but yoga? I can find that oneness by doing many different activities!
If you get to your finite state, live it up and let it inspire you!

peace yall

[redstar2000]

Dionysus -- my kind of god! Aphrodite was pretty hot, too.

Religion has gone downhill a lot since the old days. :lol:

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[Monty Cantsin]

yer they were the days you had hera a woman with a bit of a mean streak but then hey some like that, demeter that’s a woman who loves her food, Athena have a bit of a chat to her after :P , artemis well forget her a bit to icey if you know what i mean and Aphrodite what more can i say.

yes they were the good days what went wrong now we worship guys and virgins.

[ComradeRed]

Buddha said in the lotus sutra that everyone should disregard his other sutras. In it he said that attaining nirvana is not possible, that we'll reincarnate into another human.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Man what you been smoking? there is no God there is no afterlife, when you die, thats is the end finished, over.

[ComradeRed]

Buddhism believes in no god nor afterlife

[edit]By god I mean like in the judeo-christian sense. There is no man watching over us. There is cause and effect, and life. We, at least some of us, dont warship Buddha, like christians do with christ. What would make us different

[airavata]

Buddhism believes in no god nor afterlife

Indeed. Buddhism as preached by buddha did not believe in any sort of god or afterlife. Buddhism was originally meant to be a way of life, a system of ethical and peaceful life. Buddhism was a philosophy and way of action initially... later it got corrupted and different sects with their various gods arose.

[LiquidX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 03:49 PM
Man what you been smoking? there is no God there is no afterlife, when you die, thats is the end finished, over.
Basically you just summed up bouddhism. Bouddha is not a god, he's just a man speading the word. The bouddhists also don't believe in an afterlife, if you attain nirvana (which is THE perfect existence...which by the way is almost never accomplished) you become part of Karma, the cosmic force. If you don't attain nirvana then you are reborn anew and you start the process all over again. I believe there is only one person every 2000 years that attains nirvana. The last to come close was apperently the Dalai-Lama, however he stayed on earth so he could continue to help bouddhist communities.

I've always been amused by how bouddhists are trying to stop their neverending lives, whereas christians spend their lives trying to attain eternal life after death.

[revolutionindia]

Nirvana is mine in this life!
If u all think i am crazy
then let it be .
You need a little bit of madness to attain
nirvana.

If u people ever get tired of being born again and again
read my book which i am writiing
its called
"Nirvana for non-believers "

[ComradeRed]

nirvana? u mean buddhahood, the tenth state of mind is nearly imposiible to reach? HARDLY, study the lotus sutra harder...

[Hate Is Art]

I've allready attained Digital Nirvana! :D

IMO Budhism is the best religion.

[ComradeRed]

wot buddhism do u praktice or study?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

riiiight

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

nuts i cant attach after i post :P

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2003, 08:43 PM
Buddha said in the lotus sutra that everyone should disregard his other sutras. In it he said that attaining nirvana is not possible, that we'll reincarnate into another human.
.....From my understanding he said that the reason to disregard all his other sutras was because those were expedients, ie. teachings that were used to teach those with differing capacities.

Also he says that all can attain enlightenment by following the lotus sutra regardless of who they are,what they are, etc.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:10 PM
wot buddhism do u praktice or study?
I am a nicherin shu buddhist

[ComradeRed]

from my understanding, nichiren buddhism was the first to let evil people and women attain enlightenment too, interesting side note.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 05:59 AM
from my understanding, nichiren buddhism was the first to let evil people and women attain enlightenment too, interesting side note.
Yeah...

but to clarify so no one thinks we condone evil practices..we basically say that them doing evil actions doesn't mean they can't reform and attain enlightenment even in this life time

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 11:50 AM
the tenth state of mind is nearly imposiible to reach? HARDLY, study the lotus sutra harder...
What does impossible mean??
I do not know the meaning of the word impossible.
I looked it up in my dictionary i did not find it in there also.

[fallen camarade]

Well, frankly,Revolution, I think you are a little off, but to each his own. I feel this because you are using the most abstract word in the english language to back up your message: good. Good where I come from is different from good in Russia, or somewhere distant like that. Hell, good in my house, is different than good next door. Everyone thinks they are near Nirvana if the context you put that in is accurate.

Also, if you think yoga is the key to the meaning of life, I feel bad for you, and all the giraffes that can't put their legs up over their head. You are thinking on a humans only scale, and that won't get you anywhere. I'm sure yoga feels great, but it isn't the key to existence.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by fallen [email protected] 18 2004, 03:18 AM
Well, frankly,Revolution, I think you are a little off, but to each his own. I feel this because you are using the most abstract word in the english language to back up your message: good. Good where I come from is different from good in Russia, or somewhere distant like that. Hell, good in my house, is different than good next door. Everyone thinks they are near Nirvana if the context you put that in is accurate.

Also, if you think yoga is the key to the meaning of life, I feel bad for you, and all the giraffes that can't put their legs up over their head. You are thinking on a humans only scale, and that won't get you anywhere. I'm sure yoga feels great, but it isn't the key to existence.
Yoga goes alot deeper than simple stretching and shit.

Real Yogists also practise forms of asceticism, as well as doing increibly hard physical feats, like rolling up mountians, standing in one place for years in the same position, or burying their heads undersand

[hazard]

fc:

wasn't going to hound you on every post, but man, do you know how to misread. do you even know how to read? fucking imbecile.

I bet if I laid out a notepad for a fucking idiot like you to copy off of you still wouldn't know what the words written there meant. a foolish and low level attempt at invading a website, and this might make you sweat. your URL adress HAS been traced. I'll be home soon to inform the authorities.

[Hiero]

Do you beleive that you could kill like a million people and then dont for like a year and in that year become a master of yoga or meditation and would he/she be able to abtain nirvana or would you still have to be reborn as a demented goat.

[革命者]

You wrote: " Upon doing advanced yoga he will reach a stage when he goes into samadhi and loses all consciousness and awareness about the surroundings and self and achieves god state ."

You don't HAVE to do yoga to reach any stage! In Buddha's teachings, in god-like state their are still mortals just like us. And you will not really lose any awareness or feeling with your surroundings, when you achieve nirvana.

Killing won't get you any near "nirvana".

By making people trust you, and you trusting others you don't have to kill anyway.

[革命者]

when did that idiot hazard come back?

[seen_che]

If ou fallow the Buddhist path I belive that you will be happy, even if you cant yet resive nirvana you can be happy. And when your reborn it´s not like starting ower becaus you still have the karma of your past life its on the same roud.




OOUMMMMMMM......................... :P

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

In our present form as ignorant homo sapiens we have the appartaus but lack the knowledge to make sense of the world around us.

Ignorant homo sapiens as opposed to who or what?

Philosophy is the method we use to comprehend the world around us, this isn't philosophy but hey there's hardly going to be a religion forum.

How do you know we can't gain knowledge of the world around us?

I'm just curious, such broad sweeping statements rarely have any merit to them.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 18 2004, 10:41 AM
Do you beleive that you could kill like a million people and then dont for like a year and in that year become a master of yoga or meditation and would he/she be able to abtain nirvana or would you still have to be reborn as a demented goat.
First off we need to take into account just exactley Karma is. Karma isn't exactley the "what goes arond comes around" belief most people interpret it. Karma is the law of Cause and effect. Every action causes something else, every event has a cause. Now the effect that results from the cause isn't going to necasarrily be something that we would expect. For instance a murderer wont necassarily in turn be murdered. However the actions they cause will affect them in one form or another, of course negative actions will cause negative results. The result is going to be that we will eventually reap what we sow, now what form the result takes is irrelevant because we will get it all back.

Now alot of eastern faiths have the concept of Karma, and while I've only seen names for the three types of Karma in Vedic religions, the basic concept of how Karma affects beings is generally the same. So as I go down the list the names are vedic and not necassarily associated with other faiths.

1. Prarabdha-Karma: This is karma built up from your past, including previous lives, this affects your current life.

2. Sanchita-Karma: also carries over from the past but will affect the future

3. Agami-Karma: built up in present life and will take effect in the future.


Now remember these are vedic definitions and don't necassarily reflect all the views on Karma. However the point I was trying to make is that Karma is accumulated all the time, and affects now, and later.

Now one flaw with Karma is the belief that those who are currently in bad positions are thus because of the result of Karma.

I don't particularly agree with that. I believe that bad Karma determines what will affect you regardless of where you are positioned in society. Being born into a certain social class is completely random. Because if you think about it, Karma affects all beings, regardless of where they are. A man born poor may have good or bad Karma, just as a rich man may have good or bad Karma. Karma affects the spirit not the physical body.


Now to answer the meat of your question. As a nichiren shu buddhist I believe all beings can expiate misdeeds and attain enlightenment in this lifetime. Now these people are still subject to the laws of Karma so I believe it would be harder for these people to attain enlightenment. More than likely however a person would not attain enlightenment if they were such a person mainly because their mindset would not be at a state where they could come to enlightenement. However I am not ruling out the possibility of it because it certainly is possible, just very unlikely