Civics of Society

[Liberty]

What are your opinions on this subject?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Despotism.jpg

What are your opinions on Systems that hold Despotic civics? I will give an example of some.

http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/Despotism-Symbols.jpg

[The Jay]

Given that many of us consider ourselves libertarian and anarchist, what do you think?

[Positivist]

We communists support all of the top options. Wait are you suggesting that capitalism promotes shared respect, shared power, balanced distribution, and uncontrolled information. I mean I can understand that you'd feed into the propaganda that capitalism is democratic but the rest of those aren't even remotely arguable in a capitalist economy.

And what is that book? It looks like some kind of conspiracy book that has something to do with the number 3.

[Per Levy]

What are your opinions on this subject?

you mean the pictures, its nonsense. in a capitalist "democracy" power is very much concentrated, economic distribution unbalanced as shit and information very much controlled.


What are your opinions on Systems that hold Despotic civics? I will give an example of some.

what book is that picture from?

[#FF0000]

Let's see. Despotism has:

-Power concentrated into the hands of a few
-Economic distribution concentrated into the hands of a few
-"Restricted" respect (Probably reverence of authority, power)
-Strict control over information.

Sounds like it describes the united states, a little bit!

But yeah, these points are pretty much completely antithetical to communism.

[Liberty]

you mean the pictures, its nonsense. in a capitalist "democracy" power is very much concentrated, economic distribution unbalanced as shit and information very much controlled.

Is that why everyone is allowed to rise in social class? Is that why we have social mobilization?

We also have freedom of information.


what book is that picture from?
Democratic Despotism by Raoul Desvernine.

[eric922]

Is that why everyone is allowed to rise in social class? Is that why we have social mobilization?

We also have freedom of information.


Everyone is not allowed to rise. Sure, in theory "anyone" can make it, but the facts don't bear that out. Oh, and freedom of information. Is that why the government is pushing several bills that restrict freedom on the internet. Pushed by both parties, mind you, so don't blame it solely on the democrats being "socialist."

Ignoring the internet, there is no freedom of information. Everything you see on TV, hear on radio, read in papers, is controlled by large media outlets. Six media companies control the majority of the communication industry.

[#FF0000]

Is that why everyone is allowed to rise in social class? Is that why we have social mobilization?

And in Greek societies, slaves could also rise above their rank and become slave-owners themselves.

Does that, in any way, justify slavery?

Of course people can traverse the social ladder, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be impossible, no matter what for everyone to do so, no matter how hard they worked or how smart they are. Society relies on an underclass, which, especially in the 21st century, simply isn't necessary.


We also have freedom of information.Except for, you know, the unprecedented number of whisleblowers being locked up and prosecuted these days, and the extensive campaign of spying and data collecting carried out by the NSA ever since 9/11.

And that's only a few things. I could also point to our particularly poor news media (run by, what, 3 companies?) and education system!

[Regicollis]

The Statue of Liberty weighs 204 tonnes - it is the heaviest liberty in the world.


Is that why everyone is allowed to rise in social class? Is that why we have social mobilization?

It's called social mobility your moron...

By the way social mobility doesn't make the system fair. Why should the less gifted not have a good life? We can't all be equally smart and strong.

Social mobility as practised today also rewards the wrong kind of behaviour. Instead of rewarding people for doing things that fulfils real people's needs we are rewarding people for making profits. I can't see how someone who spends his day speculating in food so prices go up is so much more valuable than the guy who prepares the food.


We also have freedom of information.

Sure. You can get all the information the government, the business elite and the corporate media wants you to have. Other alternative information doesn't have a chance of being heard since the big media corporations controls the agenda and the channels of distribution.



Democratic Despotism by Raoul Desvernine.

Might I suggest you read something more educational next time?